Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

[Jedi Arrow]

He could've tried to get through to her without being harsh, even when he realized that she wasnt going to stop, making sure she is trained properly would've been the correct thing to do.

Oliver barely if any put up any fight when Diggle, Felicity, Roy, or Thea all joined in. But Oliver spent the last 3 years pushing Laurel away and keeping her at arms length.

Oliver has never thought straight when it comes to Laurel, ever since he got back from the Island. Diggle even calls him out on this in late S1. By telling her not to be Black Canary, he was trying to protect her in his own bull-headed way.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Of course he was trying to protect her in his own way but his way just flat out sucked.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

Of course he was trying to protect her in his own way but his way just flat out sucked.

Not denying that! It definitely wasn't okay or justified. That's just the way he is (look at how he treats Rene).

 

[Primal Slayer]

I wouldnt know how he treats Rene lol. I've only watched the 100th episode this season.

 

[Syncos]

He could've tried to get through to her without being harsh, even when he realized that she wasnt going to stop, making sure she is trained properly would've been the correct thing to do.

Oliver barely if any put up any fight when Diggle, Felicity, Roy, or Thea all joined in. But Oliver spent the last 3 years pushing Laurel away and keeping her at arms length.

I don't think the situation is the same.

In a lot of ways, I think he was trying to keep Laurel out of it to keep her "clean". She was kinda the purity of the group. She worked above board, with the law, and I think Oliver always really appreciated that, and didn't want her to lose that by trying to bust heads.

It also came down to him thinking of her as that young girl he left on dry land. With Digg, he was a trained Marine, Felicity was away from fights, Roy he actually did try to shut down for awhile, but eventually realized he was going to do it anyway.

By the time Thea was a trained ninja I think Ollie was just like "whatever, i'm clearly not stopping any of you."

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I wouldnt know how he treats Rene lol. I've only watched the 100th episode this season.

Oh, well he's equally harsh as he was with Laurel, whereas with Rory and Curtis he's pretty chill (Rene is more impulsive than the others, but I think Oliver's so hard on him because he sees a lot of himself in Rene, not because he dislikes him). It's almost exactly like how he treated Laurel in S3.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I floved Siren in this episode.

 

[cheungcheung]

I can't believe how they're replacing Katie with this black canary knockoff

 

[DigificWriter]

I can't believe how they're replacing Katie with this black canary knockoff

Was Sara Lance a "black canary knockoff" too? Because they're doing the same thing with Tina Boland that they did with Sara.

 

[Loki882]

No, no they're not.

 

[Primal Slayer]

So the dream team (KC/CL) arent rommies anymore.

 

[metaphysician]

Was Sara Lance a "black canary knockoff" too? Because they're doing the same thing with Tina Boland that they did with Sara.

Also, given how little resemblance Laurel Lance bore to the character from the comic, arguably *Laurel* was just as much a "knockoff".

That said, as the new Black Canary goes, my main amusement is that she apparently is a Hub City local. I'd laugh if, after taking the mantle and getting some training, she heads back to Hub City.

 

[DigificWriter]

No, no they're not.

Yes, they are. They've created a Black Canary character who isn't Laurel Lance, just like they did with Sara.

People were fine with it the first time they did it, so complaining about them doing it again is hypocritical.

With regards to the new Black Canary's point of origin, she's originally from Central City and is a former CCPD Detective, which is how/why she has powers since she was affected by the initial particle accelerator explosion.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Either way, i wasn't happy when they brought in Sara and i aint happy that they brought in Tina. Just furthers my theory of them trying to make Laurel fail from the beginning.

 

[DigificWriter]

It's not very healthy for your online reputation to be seen as a hypocrite, but that's entirety on you.

I remain a huge Laurel Lance fan and supporter, but will give this new Black Canary a chance because it's what she deserves.

 

[Paradox1]

As expected they did the thing everybody didn't want.

 

[ZIPBAGS]

Well they could bring over a Black Canary from another Earth (Not Black Siren). Their could be some circumstance that makes her want to come to E1.

 

[Primal Slayer]

It's not very healthy for your online reputation to be seen as a hypocrite, but that's entirety on you.

I remain a huge Laurel Lance fan and supporter, but will give this new Black Canary a chance because it's what she deserves.

Only matters if people you actually care about interacting with actually care but the Internet is full of hypocrisy, even in real life, it's the human way.

 

[Primal Slayer]

MG on Black Siren:

Took Black Siren back from The Flash, put her back in Arrow which opened up more storylines for them to use her. They wanted to keep Black Siren close (thus sending her off to Argus instead of back to Central City). Yesterday in the writers room they were talking about all the potential Black Siren stories they could tell if Katie is up to do it. They don't try to play with peoples emotions, they break stories based on how interesting it is. He was recently driving and a scene popped into his head with Quentin and Siren meeting which he really wants to do. This isnt the last we have seen of Black Siren, again, if Katie is up to return.

On Tina Boland:

Greg Berlanti wanted a new Black Canary. Since they've had Sara Lance and Laurel Lance both take the Canary mantle, they wanted to do something different so they made her into a metahuman to switch things up.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/26/arrow-legends-tomorrow-crossovers/

 

[Syncos]

Was Sara Lance a "black canary knockoff" too? Because they're doing the same thing with Tina Boland that they did with Sara.

Yes. Sara Lance was absolutely a Black Canary knockoff.
She was essentially not Black Canary at all. Her origin and personality was entirely different. She was fun to watch, but not exactly 3 dimensional as a character.

But i'm not sure this is the same thing. With Sara they had her come in an essentially disrupt the origin of Black Canary. She became the reason for Black Canary existing. Which is possibly worse...?

I don't know. I'm really unhappy with how they've handled Canary. Even Siren. She was great in the episode. But I was hoping Oliver would have gotten through to her a little more.

Maybe there's still time for that.

I don't have hopes in liking this new Canary. The idea of "don't let me be the last" seems horribly forced.

 

[Slade W]

Yes. Sara Lance was absolutely a Black Canary knockoff.
She was essentially not Black Canary at all. Her origin and personality was entirely different. She was fun to watch, but not exactly 3 dimensional as a character.

But i'm not sure this is the same thing. With Sara they had her come in an essentially disrupt the origin of Black Canary. She became the reason for Black Canary existing. Which is possibly worse...?

I don't know. I'm really unhappy with how they've handled Canary. Even Siren. She was great in the episode. But I was hoping Oliver would have gotten through to her a little more.

Maybe there's still time for that.

I don't have hopes in liking this new Canary. The idea of "don't let me be the last" seems horribly forced.

It is. They had shot several different scenes of Laurels private conversation with Oliver, but went with that one. If you see Primal Slayers post above, you will see that Berlanti wanted a new Canary on the show, and not necessarily Guggenheim and co. One of the scemes they shot of Laurel talking to Oliver was her telling him to work with a team, or something like that, which would have suited this season much more than "don't let me be the last".

 

[Loki882]

Also trying to get rid of Sara in the lame way that they did and then "replace" her with Laurel as BC backfired on them spectacularly. To the point that they had to bring Sara back from the dead and make her a big deal on another one of their shows.

So why, given that Laurel was finally being generally accepted in the role, they'd think that getting rid of her in order to try and do the same thing this new character, is beyond me? It didn't work before guys, so why would it work now?

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[Primal Slayer]

Therefore, it's likely that this season will end with Oliver learning to let go of his grief over Earth-1 Laurel and embrace moving forward -- an epiphany Earth-2 Laurel could come to represent. But that's only scratching the surface of all the interesting ways Earth-2 Laurel and Oliver's relationship could go. It would really be a shame if she left too soon to give this new dynamic its due.
http://www.tvguide.com/news/arrow-laurel-lance-black-siren/?ftag=TVG_Twitter

It would be so much more interesting for Oliver, who has struggled with his own inner darkness and come out the other side a more positive person, to do the same for the Black Siren. Season 5 has echoed season 1 in big ways and small ones but Oliver trying to redeem an "evil" Laurel would be the perfect way to bring things full circle. The original Laurel, along with Tommy, was always one of Oliver's most ardent critics in season 1. Oliver trying to bring Black Siren back into the light would honor Laurel's memory far more than just recruiting a random woman who, seemingly, has no connection to Laurel or anyone else from Team Arrow.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/why-black-siren-should-be-the-62964.aspx

Even so, Black Siren is just fun to have around in general. She’s obviously so haunted by her past, especially the death of Oliver Queen on her Earth, and it would be a chance to rebuild a character from the start. Her snarky attitude and sass would also be much needed to balance the other characters on Arrow and challenge them. Plus, Katie Cassidy is just too good to not see every week.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/arrow/arrow-why-black-siren-needs-to-62974.aspx

I need Black Siren to become the Faith (btvs/Angel) of this universe. Bring her in full time for LoT next season.

 

[Hunter Rider]