Arrow Dinah Laurel Lance/Katie Cassidy Thread - Part 4

[Primal Slayer]

This just confirms (to me) that they killed off LL since they werent here for her or KC. They barely attempted to salvage her only to just throw her away and replace her with a shiny new knockoff.

 

[Slade W]

If the season capsizes in the second half, then I really want Guggenheim and co gone. Three bites at the cherry is more than enough.

 

[Primal Slayer]

 

[HighFivingMF]

Laurel went from "unbearable" to "present" over the span of the series and Black Siren was awesome. So a redemption arc for her would be great, and Black Canary was from Earth-2 in the comics.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Katie was in Vancouver so I was hoping she was back to film but nope, she is gone just as quick as she came

 

[Avenging Angel]

Was this recently? They already filmed 5x10. I hope that's true I missed KC.

 

[metaphysician]

How, exactly, would a redemption arc be good for Black Siren? A big part of why she worked so well is *because* she was evil, with confidence and style.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Just because you go "good" doesn't mean you lose your confidence and style. She just would just be going after the bad guys instead of the good guys.

 

[metaphysician]

It does when the redemption basically requires throwing away everything that has already been established about the character. Doubly so when they started existence way on the other side of the moral event horizon.

 

[Primal Slayer]

How would it throw everything established about Siren? We spent all of like 10mins with her, she still has a whole backstory that hasnt even been explored.

 

[Slade W]

I think she could remain as cool and badass as she has been so far, even if they wanted to make her an anti-hero. It is true that villains that become anti-heroes can lose what made them so cool in the first place though, like we saw happen with Malcolm Merlyn and Spike on Buffy, amongst others (they are the two highest profile characters that I can think of right now), so I can see where Metaphysician is coming from. Hopefully if they go that route, she can remain as cool and badass as she has so far, and them delving into her backstory and them trying to give her more redeemable qualities will not take away from that. Vegeta is one of the best examples of a villain who became an anti-hero that remained as cool and badass as he always was.

 

[metaphysician]

She worked willingly as Zoom's right hand women. "Anti-hero" is way the hell out of sight over the horizon.

 

[Paradox1]

BS if she was to become BC can't be a antihero. She'd have to go full tilt to the other side of the spectrum. That doesn't mean she can't be interesting and it doesn't mean she can't go up the line between between hero and villain.

 

[Primal Slayer]

She worked willingly as Zoom's right hand women. "Anti-hero" is way the hell out of sight over the horizon.

I'm guessing you haven't watched Buffy. Faith is the perfect example of what Siren could become. Faith willingly went to the dark side and went back to the light side but it didnt soften her. She was still brash and went running into things head first.

 

[Thome216]

Well if we can't have the Laurel Lance back, then I'll take Black Siren - as long as it's a redemption arc. And she can be good and stay edgy and prickly.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Not to mention that LoT had 2 villains go good and join the good fight.

 

[Boy Scout]

Did she delete that tweet or is it just old?

But funnily enough: I found an old tweet of hers from 2012 asking the Arrow writers to not screw up Laurel's character. Guggenheim responded by saying, and I quote: "We won't. I promise."

 

[Paradox1]

Not to mention that LoT had 2 villains go good and join the good fight.

+++Gail Simone

 

[Slade W]

I wonder will we ever find out if it was a DC mandate for them to have a BC on the show, or if it was their own choice to bring on another one.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Did she delete that tweet or is it just old?

But funnily enough: I found an old tweet of hers from 2012 asking the Arrow writers to not screw up Laurel's character. Guggenheim responded by saying, and I quote: "We won't. I promise."

https://***********/GailSimone/status/818543814881095681.

You should RT that to MG lol

I wonder will we ever find out if it was a DC mandate for them to have a BC on the show, or if it was their own choice to bring on another one.

I think it is. First they go with the whole we do what we want, we kill who we want then to BC is so important, you cant have GA w/out a BC......huh? Not to mention, why shoot alternate death bed dialogue?

 

[Loki882]

I'm not really interested in "redeemed" BS, she works as a villain. Just bring the real LL back writers, that's what people want. Why they insist of basically making things worse on themselves by basically trolling the fans is beyond me. Especially after it already came back to bite them in the backside once before (when they killed off Sara).

 

[Slade W]

My feeling right now is that BS is going to be a great villain in her appearance and will go down as one of the best "smaller" villains that were ever on the show like Brick, Huntress, Deadshot, China White, Nyssa al Ghul, Tobias Church, Clock King, Ivo, Cupid (I joke) and whatever others I may have forgotten. KC is much better than a lot of the actors and actresses that play villains of the week IMO.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'm not really interested in "redeemed" BS, she works as a villain. Just bring the real LL back writers, that's what people want. Why they insist of basically making things worse on themselves by basically trolling the fans is beyond me. Especially after it already came back to bite them in the backside once before (when they killed off Sara).

Unless the plan is to ultimately redeem the character...yeah, don't understand why they thought that'd be a good idea.

 

[Slade W]

He thought killing Laurel last year would be enough to sate his appetite and that he would be able to move on afterwards, but he was wrong. Killing one Laurel is not enough, Marc has to kill them all.

 

[Primal Slayer]

He rather bring in new characters then work on the ones they have. Not to mention they probably thought that Laurel would become sn afterthought to everyone but she is constantly brought up by fans/media.