Disney in talks to buy Fox: X-Men Homecoming? - Part 1

[Darepool]

No. Let him sit through Fant4stic like the rest of us.

He should just pretend he's a FFINO defender for a day and watch it 10 times.

You just gave me a great idea for a science fiction novel.

 

[ImSGirl95]

I wondered why marvelrobbins hasn't showed up yet. Saw he was banned.

Oh well ...

 

[Dark Raven]

I wondered why marvelrobbins hasn't showed up yet. Saw he was banned.

Oh well ...

Is he against X-Men and FF in the MCU? What did he do to be banned?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Is he against X-Men and FF in the MCU? What did he do to be banned?

Insulting people.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I knew this news was gonna break him.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm going to withhold my reactions until something actually becomes official. I really thought Dark Phoenix was positioned nicely to show off the characters we have been waiting to see since 2006. Fox waited 17 years to get their **** together and for the market to let 3 X-movies come out in the same year. And we might have to say goodbye to all of that just as it happens. The first X-men movie made me a comic book fan for life. They showed up on screen with an edge and a chip-on-their-shoulders, and a message that deeply resonated with me. I have always thought Fox's X-men movies were in a better position than Spider-man movies, with the latter being rebooted three times. Eighteen years of highs and lows is truly remarkable and I am grateful these movies exist. Now Disney will probably force a hard reboot, and actors having their second, but first real, go with the characters might lose them. I like Sheridan, Turner, and Shipp a lot in the roles.

I watch every single MCU movie and usually enjoy them in the theatre. I do think the movies lack a certain amount of gravitas, look the same, and lose my interest with repeat viewings. This might be because the MCU movies are not about my favourite characters, but it's a world where I am quickly getting tired of RDJ and bored of Nick Fury/SHEILD. Crossover potential does not excite me, especially after Iron Man already makes me not want to rewatch Homecoming. The X-men have existed for large stretches of time in a bubble in the comics and are not deeply integrated with other MCU characters. I am worried how the MCU might explain mutants in the world and the discrimination they face. This is the same company that wanted the Inhumans to take the place of mutants in the world (to no success). Marvel needs to address their villain problem, too. I can't see Marvel doing the careful character work that Fox has done with Magneto or focusing on hate-groups and bigots.

Two things made me an X-fan for life. The first two films and the animated series. Fox hasn't delivered the spirit of the 90s series, and I don't think they needed to. If Marvel does get the rights, this might be something to look forward to. The X-men movies have focused on Magneto, Xavier, Wolverine, and Mystique for too long. I think they have done great work with these characters, but none of them are my favourite characters. Marvel will have to deal with the fact that everyone expects an MCU to faithfully adapt their favourite character and tell their favourite story. It will be interesting to see how the MCU manages expectations. If Disney gets the rights, then hopefully they can stop this petty and salty assault on X-men merchandise. The comics are admittedly flourishing right now (on the upswing from the biggest low of their publishing history), but things like Marvel vs Capcom Infinity and the erasing of X-men from merchandise is embarrassing. That being said, when has Marvel Disney ever produced a good cartoon or video game?

I like a lot of things Fox is doing: Dark Phoenix (I am hyped, despite Kinberg), New Mutants, the Gifted is awesome. Fox's movies are starting to feel "All New All Different." I don't want to lose this momentum, but no matter what I will be excited for the X-men films that get made, by either studio. I just hope X-men MCU won't be "Same Old, No Difference" from the rest of the universe.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Ehh, no surprise. I really don't know why there are those type of users, but there are. He was really no better than harryoscop. I don't know what's the point of repeating the same stuff to people that 90% prove you wrong, and yet you continue with your same type of comments. I mean, one thing is for you to have a long and justified comment about why you think a certain must/must not happen. But writing the same stuff like a broken record and labeling the people proving you wrong as "haters" and whatnot, just no use, man. Why even bother coming at this part of the forum?

So yeah, that's that.

Just my two cents.

By the way, any new info/speculation on this Murdochs having a share at Disney? Really still sounds far fetched for me, but who knows.

 

[Tymminator]

No. Let him sit through Fant4stic like the rest of us.

He should just pretend he's a FFINO defender for a day and watch it 10 times.

That’s how you get supervillains from what I hear.

 

[Boom]

They have zero monetary reason to keep the X-Men universe separate from the MCU.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Haha, no one likes that movie... I don't think.

But I don't know if comic book depth is that much of an excuse. Bane was always a B-lister, and Nolan turned him into an A-lister with one amazing take on the character. I will even give Marvel Studios credit on this. Who cared about Vulture? They did an excellent job with Vulture, and made him much better than he was in the comics. If they had built it up more, he could have been something truly special.

I think it is all about execution. And until 2017 or so, I don't think Marvel has cared about execution. That might have changed, but I am still somewhat dubious. While Hela was played wonderfully by a vampy Cate Blanchett, she still didn't do a whole lot. She was not as important to the film as Hulk and Thor having adventures on that Star Wars like planet. So she still felt perfunctory. I have concerns that Thanos could go the same way.

I strongly disagree with your statement about Hela being perfunctory. She was absolutely essential. Her backstory not only added dimension to the entire MCU Thor saga elevating the previous two films in context but her emergence and the resulting conflict was essential to some major character growth from Thor along with his brother Loki and their respective relationships.

Her threat level was off the hook. She slayed virtually everyone she wished with the exception of the Odinson himself. Even he couldn't beat her with the Odinforce - it took a being of prophecy with an unstoppable power source to defeat her and came at great cost and has major ramifications for the people of Asgard and the MCU itself.

Thor: Ragnarok set out to do a lot of things simultaneously in a single film and it succeeded spectacularly IMO. I'm very happy with how Hela was portrayed in that film. Give her more time to grow like we've seen with Loki and you'll have top shelf villain. I don't think Marvel is done with her. I hope I'm right.

 

[Tymminator]

I strongly disagree with your statement about Hela being perfunctory. She was absolutely essential. Her backstory not only added dimension to the entire MCU Thor saga elevating the previous two films in context but her emergence and the resulting conflict was essential to some major character growth from Thor along with his brother Loki and their respective relationships.

Her threat level was off the hook. She slayed virtually everyone she wished with the exception of the Odinson himself. Even he couldn't beat her with the Odinforce - it took a being of prophecy with an unstoppable power source to defeat her and came at great cost and has major ramifications for the people of Asgard and the MCU itself.

Thor: Ragnarok set out to do a lot of things simultaneously in a single film and it succeeded spectacularly IMO. I'm very happy with how Hela was portrayed in that film. Give her more time to grow like we've seen with Loki and you'll have top shelf villain. I don't think Marvel is done with her. I hope I'm right.

I dug Hela myself.

Seriously on a related note, after watching Thor: Ragnarok and then going back and watching the first two, especially when you watch Odin’s reaction to what Thor did to cause him to be banished, it gives it more weight. Odin didn’t want Thor to follow his footsteps and pave a path of blood with all of his victories. Odin wanted Thor to learn early in his life something that took Odin apparently awhile to learn.

 

[DACrowe]

The most recent X-Men film was not only the worst rated X-Men film, but it was FAR lower than ANY of Marvel's films.

And the guy who is writing and directing the current X-Men film ...

... is the guy who was largely responsible for Fant4stic.

If I were an X-Men fan, I'd be thrilled at the idea of Marvel getting them at this moment in particular.

I enjoy you purposely ignoring that technically the last X-Men film was Logan. And by last few years, I clearly meant Logan, Deadpool, Days of Future Past, and First Class. And I am very much looking forward more to Deadpool 2 and New Mutants than any MCU movie, and was very intrigued about an X-23 movie, Drew Goddard's X-Force, and potentially the New Mutants sequels if the first one is good.

But now we will have X-Men movies that look exactly like Avengers movies. (Swallows yawn). How exciting.

 

[DACrowe]

I promised myself that if Marvel Ever got the F4 rights, I would go out and buy Fan4stic and a six pack of good beer, and that weekend watch it for the first time with some fans in a MST3K type of manner.

A) Better do it this weekend, in case this deal takes a few more weeks. Lord knows you shouldn't subject yourself to that carnage right before Christmas.

B) Better make it liquor.

 

[Nardz937]

I'm having a really hard time looking forward to Thanos now that I know DOOM is coming.

 

[DACrowe]

I strongly disagree with your statement about Hela being perfunctory. She was absolutely essential. Her backstory not only added dimension to the entire MCU Thor saga elevating the previous two films in context but her emergence and the resulting conflict was essential to some major character growth from Thor along with his brother Loki and their respective relationships.

Her threat level was off the hook. She slayed virtually everyone she wished with the exception of the Odinson himself. Even he couldn't beat her with the Odinforce - it took a being of prophecy with an unstoppable power source to defeat her and came at great cost and has major ramifications for the people of Asgard and the MCU itself.

Thor: Ragnarok set out to do a lot of things simultaneously in a single film and it succeeded spectacularly IMO. I'm very happy with how Hela was portrayed in that film. Give her more time to grow like we've seen with Loki and you'll have top shelf villain. I don't think Marvel is done with her. I hope I'm right.

Loved Blanchett's performance, but just disagree. Most of the second act (the best part of the movie) is Thor, Hulk, and Valkyrie having great adventures. In that sense, I thought Goldblum's character was a better adversary, silly as he was, because they struggled mightily to escape him.

During that time, Blanchett just kept having generic exposition with Dredd in the throne room and twiddled her thumbs. I know she killed everyone off, but it felt less "shocking" to me than MCU doing spring cleaning. Odin was already shown to be a bit of a hypocrite and liar in the past two films with how he treated Loki, and that continued with how he apparently treated Hela. 'Kay. Odin was written off in a first act that was all about cleaning house: they got rid of that silly TDW cliffhanger in a comical fashion; wrote out Jane with a single line of dialogue; and gave Odin a pretty hollow death (IMO). Then while Thor and Loki are in the good movie, poor Blanchett finishes the job by dispensing with the Warriors Three and most of Asgard in some very tonally awkward scenes.

I liked the movie, but whenever it was not on Goldblum's planet, it was a step down from the rest. When it was there, the movie is fantastic.

 

[Dark Raven]

Doom needs to show up and usurp Thanos's power in Avengers 4.

Or in a post-credits sequence he needs to be shown as very calculating and commenting that everything is going to plan. He can be shown as a big bad - even bigger than Thanos, even though Thanos is technically more powerful than him.

 

[Iceman]

This is going to give Feige plenty of material to plan the next mega MCU event to build to after Avengers 4. Introducing either of the 2 teams or using any number of the big F4 villains.

 

[Dark Raven]

They surely need to bring back Ronan now to battle the Fantastic Four. It would also mean that the FF have tussled with one of the Guardians' foes.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is going to give Feige plenty of material to plan the next mega MCU event to build to after Avengers 4. Introducing either of the 2 teams or using any number of the big F4 villains.

I think one detail that's getting lost in all the excitement about the FF, X-Men, Galactus, Doom etc. is Kang.

How great will it be for the Avengers to have Kang available?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

 

[Iceman]

I think one detail that's getting lost in all the excitement about the FF, X-Men, Galactus, Doom etc. is Kang.

How great will it be for the Avengers to have Kang available?

Nah that's not getting lost mate. It's been mentioned about 200 times in the last 24 hours. t:

Awesome prospect

 

[Zarex]

During that time, Blanchett just kept having generic exposition with Dredd in the throne room and twiddled her thumbs. I know she killed everyone off, but it felt less "shocking" to me than MCU doing spring cleaning. Odin was already shown to be a bit of a hypocrite and liar in the past two films with how he treated Loki, and that continued with how he apparently treated Hela. 'Kay. Odin was written off in a first act that was all about cleaning house: they got rid of that silly TDW cliffhanger in a comical fashion; wrote out Jane with a single line of dialogue; and gave Odin a pretty hollow death (IMO). Then while Thor and Loki are in the good movie, poor Blanchett finishes the job by dispensing with the Warriors Three and most of Asgard in some very tonally awkward scenes.

Wiping out a number of characters we've gotten to know over multiple films was Marvel Studios performing "spring cleaning". But FOX wiping out poorly costumed mutants we've never met and a few fan favorites (that we all know are going to be walked back before the credits roll) is that studio "turning the heat up"?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Loved Blanchett's performance, but just disagree. Most of the second act (the best part of the movie) is Thor, Hulk, and Valkyrie having great adventures. In that sense, I thought Goldblum's character was a better adversary, silly as he was, because they struggled mightily to escape him.

During that time, Blanchett just kept having generic exposition with Dredd in the throne room and twiddled her thumbs. I know she killed everyone off, but it felt less "shocking" to me than MCU doing spring cleaning. Odin was already shown to be a bit of a hypocrite and liar in the past two films with how he treated Loki, and that continued with how he apparently treated Hela. 'Kay. Odin was written off in a first act that was all about cleaning house: they got rid of that silly TDW cliffhanger in a comical fashion; wrote out Jane with a single line of dialogue; and gave Odin a pretty hollow death (IMO). Then while Thor and Loki are in the good movie, poor Blanchett finishes the job by dispensing with the Warriors Three and most of Asgard in some very tonally awkward scenes.

I liked the movie, but whenever it was not on Goldblum's planet, it was a step down from the rest. When it was there, the movie is fantastic.

Fair enough. Agree to disagree then.

The whole point of Sakaar is the journey back to confront Hela and Thor's transformation. She casts a shadow and remains the primary antagonist. Her "generic exposition" is extremely important back story that I enjoyed learning about, enriched the mythos and explained motives across all three films. The entire adventure on Sakaar was great but ultimately secondary to the thrust of the story.

What you describe as "spring cleaning" are some of my least favorite parts. I personally mourned the death of the Warriors Three even if Thor never had opportunity. I thought Jane's story deserved better resolution than what we got. I thought Odin's death was well handled and foreshadowed throughout the films. He always wanted Thor to be king as his power was clearly waning. Loved the "silly" twist ending of TDW but appreciated the tidy way it was handled in part 3.

We obviously enjoy different things about these films. Although I did greatly enjoy Goldblum's Grandmaster also.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think one detail that's getting lost in all the excitement about the FF, X-Men, Galactus, Doom etc. is Kang.

How great will it be for the Avengers to have Kang available?

I already mentioned Kang before. I also said that he could allow for a time-travelling arc where the FF are chasing him throughout history and they revisit some of the previous MCU movies such as Avengers or Iron Man 1. It would allow them to be inserted into those movies like Back to the Future 2.

And as a result of these time-travelling shenanigans, Kang could become a villain of the Avengers as well.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Wiping out a number of characters we've gotten to know over multiple films was Marvel Studios performing "spring cleaning". But FOX wiping out poorly costumed mutants we've never met and a few fan favorites (that we all know are going to be walked back before the credits roll) is that studio "turning the heat up"?

Good observation. There is definitely a little bit of a double standard with how folks apply their criteria to these films.

I think it ultimately comes down to how vested you are in the characters and why. We all want good movies and like different things. We'll forgive certain things in one but not the other. It's not always rational.

If a person is an X-Men fan and gets a good X-Men film from Marvel then it's a win? Or will they blindly adhere to the only version they've ever known? Remains to be seen.