Supergirl Episode 3.09 "Reign" (SPOILERS)

[flickchick85]

Dear God, I really don't want fall into the spiral of that debate yet again. Let's keep this on discussion on, if not just this episode, at least stuff that's happened THIS SEASON please.

 

[Frodo]

Good episode.

Kara's had a bad week. She had to deal with the SS version of herself, her now married Ex, and Bane!...I mean Reign. I was half expecting her to break her back.

There were actually a few things that reminded me of the TDK trilogy. The Reign Dock scene was BB, Edge's office was Lau's kidnapping in China, Mon El was Rachel who'd chosen someone else , and Reign was Bane.

The end of the fight reminded me of the Death of Superman comic. Can't wait till January.

 

[Jesse]

Highlight of this episode was definitely the Supergirl versus Reign fight at the end which was pretty epic and honestly much more violent than I was expecting. That was one hell of a mid-season finale cliffhanger!

 

[SSAV]

I liked the Reign vs. Supergirl fight.

The best friends (esp with Sam) and romance is a bit forced; but I was expecting it.

I still liked the episode.

Poor Kara.

 

[vantheman77]

I was expecting a lot more in this episode, especially with the setup.

Hasn't it occurred to the writers that Kara could have gone to the Fortress of Solitude concerning Reign and the Worldkillers? The Fortress could have shown Kara how she, Kal-El, and Reign left Krypton.

It's one thing for the viewers to know, but it's more important Kara to know as well.

That cult fanatic must be the show's equivalent of Smallville's Dr. Virgil Swann.

I also wonder if this episode was written before the crossover.

 

[zenith16]

Different strokes. The only person I've ever seen him have chemistry with was Lucy. This is easily the most forced romance the show has ever done, just barely edging out James/Kara, imo. Just two episodes ago he was saying she was almost definitely responsible for sick kids, whether she meant to or not. Unlike that time he thought she definitely evil and just like her brother, he moved onto thinking she was just accidentally so. That's the road to romance right there! The writers clearly thought pairing up the show's Luthor with the guy who held the most anti-Luthor attitudes in the whole 'verse would = fireworks. And yet, even their hostilities were boring.

sadlythis is how the writers like to have their romance there has to be this werd extrme disliking of the too character sop mucso that you 'd think theyare incompatable with eather after one of them writes the idea off with ceartainactions as james did with her.

for example what was said here


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Kiss in "Reign" Midseason Finale

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Supergirl's midseason finale brought fans action, suspense, and a pairing that some might not have expected.

Early on in tonight's episode Lena Luthor (Katie McGrath) was teased by her friends about her potential chemistry with James Olsen/Guardian (Mehcad Brooks).

As the episode went on, James helped Lena deal with an assassination attempt on her life, and the pair began to realize there were sparks between them in the process. They drank whiskey together at the CatCo office, but soon put down their drinks and began to kiss.

In a way, some Supergirl fans saw this coming, as McGrath recently teased that the pair would have a "personal relationship" at some point this season.

"It's difficult for James [with Lena] coming in and owning the company and him being the boss and now him not being the boss, but still [kind of being the boss]." McGrath told reporters during a recent set visit.

"You've got this sort of antagonism between the two of us that we're still not quite sure of what our professional roles are. And then layered in on top of that, obviously, is the added fun of professional roles getting a little bit shady because of personal feelings. So I think as the season goes on that is going to come more into the forefront and I don't want to give anything away. So it's that kind of dynamic between figuring out professional and personal relationships."

So, what could be next for Lena and James? It's too early to tell, but Supergirl fans won't have to wait too long to find out.


Supergirl will retusorn on January 15th, 2018 on The CW.

source: http://comicbook.com/dc/

 

[vantheman77]

Something else bothered me - When Kara said that she never had best friends, what does that make both James and Winn?

 

[flickchick85]

Something else bothered me - When Kara said that she never had best friends, what does that make both James and Winn?

Well they both all but abandoned her last season after being rejected as romantic interests (let's not forget all those "lonely Kara" shots we got just so we could be happy she found somebody to spend time with in Mon-El), so yeah, I think it's clear they were never really besties. More like friendly co-workers who care...to a point.

sadlythis is how the writers like to have their romance there has to be this werd extrme disliking of the too character sop mucso that you 'd think theyare incompatable with eather after one of them writes the idea off with ceartainactions as james did with her.

Yep, that sadly appears to be their idea of romance.

 

[SSAV]

Well they both all but abandoned her last season after being rejected as romantic interests (let's not forget all those "lonely Kara" shots we got just so we could be happy she found somebody to spend time with in Mon-El)

Exactly! Why does everyone forget this when they blame Kara for not spending time with Winn or James?

For the record: I think the best friend things was just bad writing added to the show's focus on girl power (forced at times especially when it comes to calling Sam best friend so soon); and I do think Winn and Kara are still friends--she did go to him to confess about how Psi was affecting her even if it was just to avoid Alex;

Am not very sure of where Kara and James stand. They feel more work friends.

Forcing relationships seem to be a regular thing for the writers though since they did that for both Sam and Kara and Lena and James this week.

 

[zenith16]

Something else bothered me - When Kara said that she never had best friends, what does that make both James and Winn?

hehe i'm so messed up from work. I missedt his part .I'll have to rewatch it. . but that's weird of her to say.


I guess she mean's from child hood gril friends or buddies of any sort that wasn't a family member and when she did get to earth, her life did sound limited as in she didn't have much of a social life due to her powers and adopted mom freaking and making alex over supervise her.

it looks like alex has some what of one(limited socillife ) from what they pushed too minus what we saw of of alex meeting j'onn. it's a bit weird how muc of their lives seem to have stiffled in they the didn't develop the way the should have. I also had the feeling when alex had that one night stand with sara she showed "oh so much how she was uncontrable with it "then she ever did when I saw other poster's used the word she was unconfertable with boy's when she didn't sayit that way that it was more that she said she didnt' get to Explore her feeling back then after that fight with her best friend from her teens and she might have had feeling for her but that shut things down for her.

And she just didn't connect with boys. unconfortable to me ment she had issue and she never said or had the reaction of this isn't right when she explained it. . yet I saw other posters say the words unconfortable.

Well now we know when alex is unconfortable and she makes it known as she did with sara or in a a sense she's not fully ok with something.


Anyway it seems both alex's and kara's growth emotionally to a degree into adult hood seem's to have been stunted insome Area's from what I understand. though it need's to be fully made clear where and what they need to well mature.

 

[zenith16]

Am not very sure of where Kara and James stand. They feel more work friends.

Forcing relationships seem to be a regular thing for the writers though since they did that for both Sam and Kara and Lena and James this week.

it's more like they don't know how to go about it approach wise and they theyj ust think jaming things together will work. I see other writers that have done better admit that doing romance is hard and they try not to over push things and try to make thing's as natural as possble but they ad mit they aren't perfect or good in that area, them selve's and they ether don't tocuh it or dtry to study realife relation ships to tryand makee seem natural . it's a differcult task. and the better 'stry to handle it with care. lole one of the writer that said admitted to this was of the the japanes writers known for writes the naruto series .


I guess that the difference between some other writers and the Cw writers. the other are seeking for away to make thing's natural and relatble which people can relate too and understand .

While inthe cw case cause they cater to a certin percived fan base. they push the romance at the Expense of evey thing else and for get it's supposed to feel natural. But they push it in a way that romance is so overwelmingly every thing it's even more imprtant then your own kid's if the character managed to have one or more . that it's priorty when the kid's are being kidnapped near by. nope who I'm, sleeping with is more important atthis very moment. yeah I make it sound funny but it's differanimale on screen.


it remined me of what they used to do in North american day time tv soap's . where the character would have chilrend but all those character cared about was who they were sleepting with . lol and itwith any one that still had funtioning brains watch that stuff it just read to you if all you care about is who your having sex with and say the word love so freely are ready to sleep with any one your atrcted to for the poorest of reason's some times why'd you have that kid if they are going to become less of second class citzen to your romance? heck & hao many peopele can you sleep with and say the word love ? You use the term so loosly/ freely . well that was before they finally killed most of them cause they were all mostly doing that and outta control.

I guess the Cw is where half those writers went to. the same mentallitys there to a degree.


Anyway there's a lack of balance and knowing how to aproach things here. And a bit of too much of something and not knowing when that it's too much.

 

[flickchick85]

Exactly! Why does everyone forget this when they blame Kara for not spending time with Winn or James?

I have no idea. I can think of at least two instances off the top of my head last season where she had made overtures to spend time with them. I recall no such overtures from either of them. And I'm not sure they EVER even noticed how miserable she was midway through the season. Only during "Girl of Steel" when she was in her funk did they take an active interest in her again (and with James, it was apparently only when she started slacking off at work). Lena and Sam are definitely upgrades in the friend department. Even if Sam has an alter ego currently trying to kill her and Lena doesn't recognize her without glasses.

 

[Kelly]

When James became Guardian and Winn became his sidekick and Kara said no to working with them, they dumped her as a friend outside of all of that. Their loss as far as I'm concerned, so I have seen absolutely no problem with Lena and Sam and their trio.....now will that blow up some time, probably.

 

[Dr.]

The Big Fight betwixt Kara and Reign was pretty good - much, much better (I thought) than the Kara/Rhea tussle. I was going to give credit to this director for the superior quality. But a quick check reveals that the same guy (Glen Winter) did both. Well, maybe we wanted to make up for the bad job from before.

 

[Frodo]

Exactly! Why does everyone forget this when they blame Kara for not spending time with Winn or James?

For the record: I think the best friend things was just bad writing added to the show's focus on girl power (forced at times especially when it comes to calling Sam best friend so soon); and I do think Winn and Kara are still friends--she did go to him to confess about how Psi was affecting her even if it was just to avoid Alex;

Am not very sure of where Kara and James stand. They feel more work friends.

Forcing relationships seem to be a regular thing for the writers though since they did that for both Sam and Kara and Lena and James this week.

I think Kara is still friends with James and Winn. It's just that the writers put their characters on the back burner for the most part, and put Mon El and Lena on the front burner. Its been a while since either Winn or Jiames has had a really relevant storyline. We're supposed to assume they're still friends given their past history.

I also agree that they really haven't earned the right to classify Sam as Kara's bff given that they've kept her isolated from Kara and the other characters for the most part. Its felt like Sam and her daughter have been on a different show from everyone else.

Hopefully they'll work harder to establish a bond between the trinity, i.e. Kara, Lena and Sam.

 

[Sithborg]

The Reign fight was cool. I love her fighting style. And the christmas party made up for the lack of Thanksgiving. To an extent.

 

[Havok83]

One of my favorite episode. Love that Kara got a worthy big bad/nemesis

Kinda disappointed in Reign's look though. I was hoping she'd be more grotesque instead of keeping a human look with a mask. Im hoping thats what the cliffhanger was?

Well they both all but abandoned her last season after being rejected as romantic interests (let's not forget all those "lonely Kara" shots we got just so we could be happy she found somebody to spend time with in Mon-El), so yeah, I think it's clear they were never really besties. More like friendly co-workers who care...to a point.


Yep, that sadly appears to be their idea of romance.

wasnt that boy that diedin the flashback episode her best friend?

 

[Osiris-Rex]

Hasn't it occurred to the writers that Kara could have gone to the Fortress of Solitude concerning Reign and the Worldkillers? The Fortress could have shown Kara how she, Kal-El, and Reign left Krypton.

It's one thing for the viewers to know, but it's more important Kara to know as well.

I doubt Jor-El would know any more about Reign than Alura. After all Alura worked for the government and would have access to all the information that was in the public archives. Jor-El was more of a scientist and it never seemed
he was much of a historian. So I'm not seeing where Jor-El would have information Alura didn't have. I'm still wondering if Zor-El had any role in creating Reign, like in the comic books. Zor-El would be the one to talk to.

One of my favorite episode. Love that Kara got a worthy big bad/nemesis

Kinda disappointed in Reign's look though. I was hoping she'd be more grotesque instead of keeping a human look with a mask. Im hoping thats what the cliffhanger was?

wasnt that boy that diedin the flashback episode her best friend?

I would have liked to have Reign's skin be grey or white and some prostetics. But people just complained about Red Tornado, Indigo, Livewire, and Silver Banshee so I guess they felt it wasn't worth the time and effort to have
Odette sitting in the make up chair several hours. Face it, at this point in time people are going to complain about everything, so they are just going with a reasonable facsimile and getting on with the show.

Maybe Kara meant female bests friends. All the other women she has met (that aren't enemies) were just a cordial relationship rather than anyone she socialized with, Lucy, Maggie, Eve. Cat was more a mother than a best friend.

 

[Steelsheen]

ok so i just finished watching the ep. that fight between Supergirl vs Reign was something eh? kinda reminds me of a Batman vs Superman fight, if Batman became superpowered and decided to just go with the death penalty in handing out justice

i was hoping they would acknowledge the trip to Earth 1 and all the events of that and the WestAllen almost-wedding but there was... nothing. that was kind of a let down.

they really dont know what to do with James do they? now they're having him hook up with Lena? werent they at odds not too far back? talk about moving a ship along too fast. i'd rather that Lena and Jimmy butt heads from time to time this season then if they want to ship them together do it next season. also someone needs to teach the writers how to write drama in a newsroom.

anyways that Danvers Christmas party was nice. all the Christmas-y segments were nice.

 

[Steelsheen]

Something else bothered me - When Kara said that she never had best friends, what does that make both James and Winn?

i took her statement as her meaning girl besties. which is true theres an extra level of closeness versus when your besties are boys.

 

[Lencho01]

This episode was unintentionally funny to me.

Jimmy's shield watch was funny. He and Lena are funny together. More funny due to the reaction it gets from some fans.

The drama with Kara, Mon-El, and Imra is just really weak and feels like it's there to pass the time.

I'm not feeling at all, this idea of Kara being the reason the LOSH was created. And on top of that, simply because Mon-El loved her.

They're really pushing this whole best friends thing with Samantha. I guess to help set up the conflicted feelings Kara will have when she finds out. A little different from what they did with Doomsday/Davis Bloome on Smallville.

I still laugh and roll my eyes at this whole idea of aliens being any different from humans. They've shown nothing to prove that outside of how they look or what powers they may have. Just nonsense.

The fight was pretty cool. My favorite parts were the office Christmas party, when some random due threw his box up in the air after SG crashed in the middle of the street, and that people had to be told stay back.

 

[Loki882]

-The fight between SG and Reign was cool.

-Still not a fan of Reign's current look. At least give her the pale skin/red hair.

-The "best friends" line, which I interpreted to mean FEMALE friends, was still pretty forced (as is Sam's inclusion). Well the second one isn't so much "forced" per se as it is "rushed." I could buy it, but they simply haven't spent enough time including her in things for it to be believable right now. But the writers often "forget" about past continuity when they want to push some new plot-line, and this is no exception.

-I'm surprisingly liking Imra right now, but her and Mon-el do come across as fairly tone deaf and insensitive when it comes to Kara's feelings. More so him than her, since he should know better by now. Also I doubt that fans of the LOSH will be pleased with the show's take on their origins.

-Speaking of Kara's feelings, I do feel like this episode regressed her feelings from the crossover. She's back to being mopey.

 

[Kelly]

-The fight between SG and Reign was cool.

-Still not a fan of Reign's current look. At least give her the pale skin/red hair.

-The "best friends" line, which I interpreted to mean FEMALE friends, was still pretty forced (as is Sam's inclusion). Well the second one isn't so much "forced" per se as it is "rushed." I could buy it, but they simply haven't spent enough time including her in things for it to be believable right now. But the writers often "forget" about past continuity when they want to push some new plot-line, and this is no exception.

-I'm surprisingly liking Imra right now, but her and Mon-el do come across as fairly tone deaf and insensitive when it comes to Kara's feelings. More so him than her, since he should know better by now. Also I doubt that fans of the LOSH will be pleased with the show's take on their origins.

-Speaking of Kara's feelings, I do feel like this episode regressed her feelings from the crossover. She's back to being mopey.

She's actually in a coma at the moment....

However, I can see why she is unhappy. She had finally come to grips with the fact that Mon-el, may be alive, but probably not coming back....so embrace life that you have right now, until BAM....here is Mon-el back....HAPPY, HAPPY, HAPPY DAY.....ooops he's married. Lets give her some time to walk through that, it has literally been less than 3 weeks in which all of that happened.

 

[Loki882]

I find the whole thing tedious, so I'm not all that interested in "giving it time."

 

[Kelly]

As far as why didn't she go to the Fortress of Solitude. Alura herself said that she was equipped, or whatever with the information for (I forget, but a hell of a lot of planets) and if she didn't know the origin probably no one does...so why would it be in the Fortress of Solitude and not within Alura's vast amount of knowledge about Krypton? Also....time factor.