Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - Part 39

[sleekstereo]

So it seems like the third act of this film is getting the most criticism.

So what do you think? Is Trank responsible for the third act or do you think Fox came in and changed it for the worst?

 

[Eddie]

Their mission to the other dimension is a drunken jaunt? What the heck? That doesn't sound like the Fantastic Four at all.

Exactly. Ben the scrawny child abuse victim and Victor the hermit gamer (hey, at least he doesn't blog!) sound off too, to say the least.

 

[TheVileOne]

Their mission to the other dimension is a drunken jaunt? What the heck? That doesn't sound like the Fantastic Four at all.

Spoiler

Well they are teenagers right out of high school essentially. The government guy funding the operation is like, "OK we will get NASA involved to send over trained astronauts first." The kids are all pissed off because Franklin Storm convinced them that they would go. They wanted to go to this hellish, dangerous and volatile new planet. OK. So they are all pissed off angry and drunk about that. Victor is all like, "no one remembers who builds the rockets! They only remember Neil Armstrong! Neil Armstrong is an *******! Well guess what! We're going to go and be Neil Armstrong!" So Reed decides they will go and plant a flag. While he's drunk he calls up Ben and forces him to come to the lab. So they all go drunk to Planet Zero. Reed plants a flag. They investigate some dangerous looking chemicals and all hell breaks loose.

It is as ridiculous as it sounds.

 

[Dasher10]

Fox has essentially Ghost Rider'ed Fantastic Four.

Good Comparison. I don't believe that some of these things can be fixed in a sequel. Ben and Johnny have each other's personality and background. Reed Richards is younger than Johnny and Sue when he was the same age in UFF and older in 616. And Doom was merged with Annihilus into one character. No thank you. Please, don't do a sequel. This take isn't salvagable.

Give it back to Marvel. Let them fix it.

 

[TheVileOne]

Exactly. Ben the scrawny child abuse victim and Victor the hermit gamer (hey, at least he doesn't blog!) sound off too, to say the least.

This has to stop. Ben is not an abuse victim. Getting picked on by your older brother is not abuse, that's ****ing life kid! In fact, the one time we see him get bullied by his older brother, his mom quickly arrives and shuts it down and protects him basically.

 

[Farren]

Their mission to the other dimension is a drunken jaunt? What the heck? That doesn't sound like the Fantastic Four at all.

There's no defense for it. Reed or Doom would NEVER do something like that. And from what I remember another SHHer saying: Reed never really acknowledges the stupidity of it.

Exactly. Ben the scrawny child abuse victim and Victor the hermit gamer (hey, at least he doesn't blog!) sound off too, to say the least.

Man, I think the gamer angle might be even worse than a blogger. At least if he were a blogger there's a chance that he could have been shown to be blogging about ~important~ things, like Roma people being oppressed in Latveria or global warming or SOMETHING.

 

[Quasimod0]

Spoiler

Well they are teenagers right out of high school essentially. The government guy funding the operation is like, "OK we will get NASA involved to send over trained astronauts first." The kids are all pissed off because Franklin Storm convinced them that they would go. They wanted to go to this hellish, dangerous and volatile new planet. OK. So they are all pissed off angry and drunk about that. Victor is all like, "no one remembers who builds the rockets! They only remember Neil Armstrong! Neil Armstrong is an *******! Well guess what! We're going to go and be Neil Armstrong!" So Reed decides they will go and plant a flag. While he's drunk he calls up Ben and forces him to come to the lab. So they all go drunk to Planet Zero. Reed plants a flag. They investigate some dangerous looking chemicals and all hell breaks loose.

It is as ridiculous as it sounds.

That sounds like some really bad fan fiction.

 

[doink]

Well here is the thing, the mission is a drunken jaunt. Everyone gets drunk and upset that they can't go on the mission so they get drunk and are all like hey, let's go ourselves! It's literally like that Family Guy gag where President Clinton and Peter get high and they are like, "Peter...we can eat that pig!"

So I guess Sue keeps her integrity because she doesn't get drunk with them and make a moronic decision. However, it also makes her involvement with what happened essentially pointless.

I heard about that too...

*headdesk x a billion trillion*

Is it true that the Thing's catchphrase originated from when his abusive brother beat him up in the beginning? That is just so incredibly doinky, like I knew this was going to be bad but I thought it would be a more generic kind of bad, I didn't expect stuff like "IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!" having a ~dark backstory~ or them going on the mission because they're drunk or the female member not going even though she went in every other freaking version.

This is just...

 

[TheVileOne]

Farren, this isn't really Reed Richards though. It's a new unique character. He's not the ultra brilliant, workaholic Reed of the comics. He's basically a dumb teenager with an above average IQ. For example, he didn't even come up with a working teleporter to planet zero first. It's implied that Victor and the Baxter institute did.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well here is the thing, the mission is a drunken jaunt. Everyone gets drunk and upset that they can't go on the mission so they get drunk and are all like hey, let's go ourselves! It's literally like that Family Guy gag where President Clinton and Peter get high and they are like, "Peter...we can eat that pig!"

So I guess Sue keeps her integrity because she doesn't get drunk with them and make a moronic decision. However, it also makes her involvement with what happened essentially pointless.

How does she get her powers if she's not involved with the mission? It's okay to put it in spoilers because I have zero intention on seeing this, but I'm curious for the sake of discussion tonight.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

The dr doom name drop sounds hilarious as well

How does she get her powers if she's not involved with the mission? It's okay to put it in spoilers because I have zero intention on seeing this, but I'm curious for the sake of discussion tonight.

Spoiler

When the three guys return there's an explosion and the negative zone's energy engulfs her. That's what it seems to be from what I've read

 

[TheVileOne]

I heard about that too...

*headdesk x a billion trillion*

Is it true that the Thing's catchphrase originated from when his abusive brother beat him up in the beginning? That is just so incredibly doinky, like I knew this was going to be bad but I thought it would be a more generic kind of bad, I didn't expect stuff like "IT'S CLOBBERIN' TIME!!!" having a ~dark backstory~ or them going on the mission because they're drunk or the female member not going even though she went in every other freaking version.

This is just...

That is not true. He does utter the phrase once, but it seems like it was done more as a studio mandated note than anything else.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

That same reporter lady allegedly did the same thing to Bale long ago. They made her apologize for taking things out of context. Teller does have a punchable face, but i'm going to need to see/hear those receipts.

If she has a history of this, I'm going to give Teller the benefit of a doubt on this one.

 

[doink]

Ah, OK. The other stuff is still really -_-;

 

[DyeLorean]

 

[TheVileOne]

How does she get her powers if she's not involved with the mission? It's okay to put it in spoilers because I have zero intention on seeing this, but I'm curious for the sake of discussion tonight.

Spoiler

All hell breaks loose on Planet Zero. Sue realizes what the idiots did and gets on a computer terminal. Johnny gets on comms and gets her to push a manual override button so they get back to Earth. She does it and it works, but when the cosmic gate machine pods come back, the gate matchine causes a shockwave that erupts and she's exposed to it, causing her invisibility powers. How that reaction happened is not clear. The shockwave created by the machine did not cause a similar exposure reaction earlier when they tested the machine before. When all the characters were by computer terminals in the same place.

 

[Eddie]

This has to stop. Ben is not an abuse victim. Getting picked on by your older brother is not abuse, that's ****ing life kid! In fact, the one time we see him get bullied by his older brother, his mom quickly arrives and shuts it down and protects him basically.

They intentionally changed the character to a scrawny boy who got beat up by his older brother a lot (which was actually confirmed by Kinberg some time ago as an intentional change due to being more "interesting") Getting frequently beat up qualifies as abuse. Also, watch Chronicle. Not the first time Trank has emphasized these sort of things...

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

If she has a history of this, I'm going to give Teller the benefit of a doubt on this one.

I went back and re-read the article and it seems very convenient. Lacks context for basically everything. She's deliberately trying to paint him as a dick from the beginning. It's in the first sentence for christ's sake

 

[TheVileOne]

They intentionally changed the character to a scrawny boy who got beat up by his older brother a lot (which was actually confirmed by Kinnerg some time ago as an intentional change due to being more "interesting") Getting frequently beat up qualifies as abuse. Also, watch Chronicle. Not the first time Trank has emphasized these sort of things...

Except that's not what happens in the movie. We see his mean older brother try to do what MEAN OLDER BROTHERS TEND TO DO TO LITTLE BROTHERS! His mom comes in and protects Ben and keeps his older brother away from him and punishes him for being mean to Ben.

I refuse to believe people here who have older siblings, specifically an older brother, did not typically get picked on by them.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Spoiler

All hell breaks loose on Planet Zero. Sue realizes what the idiots did and gets on a computer terminal. Johnny gets on comms and gets her to push a manual override button so they get back to Earth. She does it and it works, but when the cosmic gate machine pods come back, the gate matchine causes a shockwave that erupts and she's exposed to it, causing her invisibility powers. How that reaction happened is not clear. The shockwave created by the machine did not cause a similar exposure reaction earlier when they tested the machine before. When all the characters were by computer terminals in the same place.

For f***s sake. Wow.

 

[Farren]

I went back and re-read the article and it seems very convenient. Lacks context for basically everything. She's deliberately trying to paint him as a dick from the beginning. It's in the first sentence for christ's sake

It seems low on quotes as well. Plus, I side-eye the part where she initiates a sexual conversation by talking about boobs and wine-glasses. That doesn't belong in a professional interview. She might have been baiting him.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

They intentionally changed the character to a scrawny boy who got beat up by his older brother a lot (which was actually confirmed by Kinberg some time ago as an intentional change due to being more "interesting") Getting frequently beat up qualifies as abuse. Also, watch Chronicle. Not the first time Trank has emphasized these sort of things...

Perhaps it happened Josh Trank in his childhood, or that of a close friend or family member he knows. There must be a reason he keeps going back to that motif.

 

[Snow Queen]

Perhaps it happened Josh Trank in his childhood, or that of a close friend or family member he knows. There must be a reason he keeps going back to that motif.

Considering how he said this movie was influenced by him having gynecomastia when he was younger, probably did.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Except that's not what happens in the movie. We see his mean older brother try to do what MEAN OLDER BROTHERS TEND TO DO TO LITTLE BROTHERS! His mom comes in and protects Ben and keeps his older brother away from him and punishes him for being mean to Ben.

I refuse to believe people here who have older siblings, specifically an older brother, did not typically get picked on by them.

That doesn't make it okay, nor does it mean it can't turn into abuse.

 

[TheVileOne]

Perhaps it happened Josh Trank in his childhood, or that of a close friend or family member he knows. There must be a reason he keeps going back to that motif.

Didn't he say thus:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/herocomplex/la-ca-hc-fantastic-four-20150708-story.html#page=1

"When I was in middle school and high school, I was over 100 pounds overweight. I had a condition called gynecomastia — I had really big man boobs — and I got a surgery for it. My whole adolescence was hating myself and feeling suicidal. I was made fun of by a lot of other kids in such a way that I didn't feel like I was human. That fueled my desire to want to prove people wrong by just writing things and shooting things and being proactive."

essentially he was bullied and picked on by other kids.