Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[Dasher10]

Was that in Mighty Avengers? That's actually separate from what I was referring to. The (retcon) team with Fury included the "old" characters that fans would still recognize, like Sabretooth, Kraven, and Dominic Fortune (yeah, Kraven the Hunter and Sabretooth are sorta kinda "Avengers").

But yeah, Marvel's really been playing with the idea of previous generation "Avengers", and I could totally see them borrowing that in the films.

Lol, thought you were talking about the plot in Mighty Avengers with the 70s Avengers. My bad.

Have the FF rights reverted yet?

 

[SSJ4_Haruhi]

I agree that the Slater script does look better than what we got.

But if Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2 are anything to go by in the multiple villians department then it'd likely still be messy. Unless Galactus was only in the film for say 10 minutes, same with Mole Man and Doom was the primary villian.

 

[Drz]

Spider-Man 3 and Amazing Spider-Man 2 we're studio interfered just like Fantastic Four lol.

Just think about it as Dr. Doom being the main villain, Galactus was a force of nature as much as the Mololoid creature and Mole Man is just like Scarecrow from Nolan films.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think constantly giving Doctor Doom an accident so he has super powers is the problem.

 

[Dasher10]

I agree that the Slater script does look better than what we got.

But if Spider-Man 3 or The Amazing Spider-Man 2 are anything to go by in the multiple villians department then it'd likely still be messy. Unless Galactus was only in the film for say 10 minutes, same with Mole Man and Doom was the primary villian.

Sounded like Mole Man and Galactus were being set up for sequels.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I think constantly giving Doctor Doom an accident so he has super powers is the problem.

He still comes off more like Dr. Doom - particularly the ending where he was revealed to not actually be there. He used his intelligence and technology to his advantage. I agree there are other parts I'm not a fan of, but it would still be the best version so far.

 

[Flint Marko]

So on Collider Heroes today, one of the co-host revealed that there is a finished X-Men vs. Fantastic Four script at Fox. He knows who wrote it and from he heard its quite good.

Never going to be made though. lol

I highly doubt that it's actually any good, but like you said, we'll never get the chance to find out.

They made Hank Pym into an old man who was never with the Avengers and had nothing to do with the creation of Ultron.

That's what I thought. Let me repeat, they've never made a change near as drastic as what Fox has with the FFINO.

 

[Quasar]

Let me repeat, they've never made a change near as drastic as what Fox has with the FFINO.

Could you repeat that?

 

[Tymminator]

So on Collider Heroes today, one of the co-host revealed that there is a finished X-Men vs. Fantastic Four script at Fox. He knows who wrote it and from he heard its quite good.

Never going to be made though. lol

Any "inside info" re:Fox (or Trank) I personally will NEVER trust from Collider. I could be wrong but he feels too connected to them.

If someone genuinely really liked the Fant4tic then I can respect that, but some of the reviews & defensiveness that I read regarding this movie come off as blind loyal fan support. They don't respect others who didn't like the film, and it's worded in ways which blames those who either saw it and hated it, or never wanted to be bothered with it in the first place.

for example I enjoyed Thor 2, some didn't. I'm not going to insult them and blame them if it didn't perform the way I wanted it to like its somehow their fault.

 

[Drz]

for example I enjoyed Thor 2, some didn't. I'm not going to insult them and blame them if it didn't perform the way I wanted it to like its somehow their fault.

But it is public knowledge that Thor 2 lost the director's cut and the Studios wanted more humor instead of character in it.

 

[Erzengel]

Here's the question, how much better would have FF been if there was no Studio involvement? I just don't think after all was said and done, the Studio was responsible from turning something the quality of TWS, DOFP, TDK into something like Catwoman or GL.

Like with Daredevil DC or the Rogue Cut, I think it can bring it up one level but not from one side of the spectrum to another.

 

[Tymminator]

But it is public knowledge that Thor 2 lost the director's cut and the Studios wanted more humor instead of character in it.

Re: the director, no guarantee his cut would be better. In the end, it doesn't matter.

I still enjoyed it, and if people didn't I'm not going to blame them if they don't.

 

[Flint Marko]

But it is public knowledge that Thor 2 lost the director's cut and the Studios wanted more humor instead of character in it.

Wait, it's public knowledge that Marvel "wanted more humor instead of character"? That's news to me.

 

[Zarex]

Wait, it's public knowledge that Marvel "wanted more humor instead of character"? That's news to me.

It's public knowledge that Marvel wanted more Loki and adding extra Hiddleston was the focus of the reshoots. As far as the other stuff, consider the source.

 

[TeeKay]

But it is public knowledge that Thor 2 lost the director's cut and the Studios wanted more humor instead of character in it.

And where did you get that from? Can you provide a link?Taylor himself said he wanted to keep it in line with the rest of the MCU by adding more levity and humour.

"I felt my first task was to darken the world, and deepen it, and dirty it up a bit.

"And then as we got into the process, I thought, if we're going to darken it, deepen it and possibly kill off characters we love, we better be darn sure there's balance on the other side.

"The Avengers came out while we were starting it and Iron Man 3 came out while we were finishing it, so you were screwed if you don't also keep it funny and light on its feet. It's called The Dark World, but humour was critical on it."

Taylor had clashes with Feige no doubt, but Marvel choosing humour over character? LOL That's so far fetched its not even funny considering all their main protagonists are well developed. Let's not start making things up and throwing assumptions everywhere.

 

[Eddie]

Yeah, as Zarex mentioned it's known that Marvel added more Loki. That's Marvel adding more character development for Loki (and Thor). More. A word you may know as meaning something different than less.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'm glad they did. The Loki/Thor stuff was without a doubt my favorite part of the movie.

It's public knowledge that Marvel wanted more Loki and adding extra Hiddleston was the focus of the reshoots. As far as the other stuff, consider the source.

This wouldn't be the first time he's made something up out of thin air.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I'm glad they did. The Loki/Thor stuff was without a doubt my favorite part of the movie.

Great stuff.

 

[First Avenger]

They added the prologue and more Loki during post-production,that's it.

 

[First Avenger]

I'm glad they did. The Loki/Thor stuff was without a doubt my favorite part of the movie.

Word.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Loki was the best part of the movie, so they made the right call.

 

[sleekstereo]

John Campea did say Fox has two choices:

1. Put someone in charge of all their Marvel properties and have that one person make the decisions. He suggested Bryan Singer.

2. Let go of the Fantastic Four by either giving it back to Marvel or letting the rights revert in time.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

John Campea did say Fox has two choices:

1. Put someone in charge of all their Marvel properties and have that one person make the decisions. He suggested Bryan Singer.

2. Let go of the Fantastic Four by either giving it back to Marvel or letting the rights revert in time.

I don't believe option 1 is a choice (at least with the presumption it would involve another FF film). After this fiasco, fans won't have any tolerance for or interest in another Fox FF film under any circumstances. The talented director they'd need wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, and the purse-string holders would never approve the budget needed to make a proper FF film after the last film and with fans still providing headwinds (and more angry about and more determined not to see the film and more vocal on social media and just generally more vehemently opposed to the effort than they were this last time).

I don't believe we'll see another FF film from Fox under any circumstances.

 

[Val_Zod]

John Campea did say Fox has two choices:

1. Put someone in charge of all their Marvel properties and have that one person make the decisions. He suggested Bryan Singer.

2. Let go of the Fantastic Four by either giving it back to Marvel or letting the rights revert in time.

As far as FF is concerned, its too late for Fox to try and turn things around. The audience has rejected their takes, and there isn't enough time for them to wash away the stench of this latest iteration. They could reboot it, and set it as much apart from it, but that would suggest going to a bigger, more ambitious/lighter movie, which would mean a larger budget, which Fox can't afford to do, given how toxic the brand is. I doubt they want to make that kind of investment right away after a bomb, and they just don't have enough time.

 

[metaphysician]

What changes has Marvel made to major characters that are as drastic? And let's not bring up the mandarin like that is a beloved, important character of some kind.

A billion dollars on top of critic and audience approval says otherwise. The only places where the Mandarin Twist is regarded as a mistake are places like this.

Don't forget that there is a very strong argument that Marvel actually did stay fairly true to the core of the character: the Mandarin is still a hyper-macho fantasy who used abuse of resources to turn himself into a living weapon, and sought to profit from exploiting war in the larger world. They just changed things like the exact nature of his power source, and his race. Which is to say, the Mandarin is about as faithful to the source material as the Heath Ledger Joker is to his.