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Johnny was the catalyst for the power switching, because he was the only one who the surfer touched while powered up.

Reed said it right there in the lab, Sue's molecules were normal, but Johnny's were not.
 
Johnny was the catalyst for the power switching, because he was the only one who the surfer touched while powered up.

Reed said it right there in the lab, Sue's molecules were normal, but Johnny's were not.

I get that, but when Johnny transferred back, why would they get the powers they had, shouldn't he have given them some weird combination of the three, even if he was a catalyst? It would've made more sense to do it like Rogue, where they do not lose their powers...he just temporarily gains them.
 
This movie is a serious lesson to never listen to stupendous old men masqurading themselves as films critics..Such ****ed up pieces of ****!..I went into this movie after being poisoned by those disgusting negative reviews thinking this movie was gonna crumble..but alas..not only is FF:ROTSS such a superb movie but it also follows closely the tone of the Fantastic four world just like it was in the comics..I liked that there wasn't an excess of action sequences just for the fun of it..Every scene in that movie was just to move the story forward..There were a few plot holes here and there especially with doom but i liked how streamlined the movie was..Just got in there and never stopped till the very end..Also Jessica Alba's acting was IMMENSELY improved..I especially liked the scene where she was in anguish after the helicopter crash..Her reaction when she sat on the stairs was really good acting..
 
HI GUYS, I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT JESSICA ALBA IS GOING TO BE ON CONAN IN A FEW MINUTES, ENJOY!!!:D:up:
 
Ummm...thanks Guardian....lol



Maestro will have it up for DLoad tomorrow...
 
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I agree. This movie deserves something around 6/10. I felt the same way about Spider-man 3. Lots of good moments but the problems just stand out to be satisfied. At least it wasn't an X3, because it was fun overall. I wonder which movie will pick up this superhero slump. Iron Man? The Dark Knight? Hopefully.
 
Absolutely horrible. I've never seen so many cliches in one movie. You have the cocky guy getting told off by the girl and suddenly having an epiphany, the reluctant heroes leaving and deciding to stay at the end, the hardened military brass getting told off by the nerdy hero...even the following line "I'm so hot for you", who didn't see that coming a mile away? God, it was just so corny. The jokes were juvenile at best. Thing burps, Johnny makes an innuendo! Haha, my third grade class would love this. There were plot holes so numerous I don't know where to begin...and the deus ex machina at the end, I get that the Surfer has healing powers...but at least foreshadow it a little bit. Plus his entire nuking Galactus...if he could do that from the beginning, why kill billions of people if it was really that simple to stop Galactus?

Just an all around bad movie. The fanboy in me wanted to like it...my brain simply could not.

Well his power did cause Doom to regenerate his skin. ;)
 
I agree. This movie deserves something around 6/10. I felt the same way about Spider-man 3. Lots of good moments but the problems just stand out to be satisfied. At least it wasn't an X3, because it was fun overall. I wonder which movie will pick up this superhero slump. Iron Man? The Dark Knight? Hopefully.
Both of them will probably bring help the genre from slipping to a period like the one in the nineties.
 
lol

If it's done right the humor with the product placement is actually funny, example Johnny with the suit with the company logos on it, but the Dodge thing on the Fantastic Car was too much and out of sync with who Reed is. If Johnny took the FCar without Reed knowing then added the Dodge sponsorship it would have went over smoother with me, but in any effect the movie was 'product' from the start so it's typical FOX.


That's sounds like the story would have to go out of it's way to do something, I'm happy with Reed having that Johnny side to him. :)
 
When it comes to comic book superhero movies, I try not to get my hopes up to high and to avoid watching behind the scenes and exclusive clips of these movies (I learned my lesson after being disapointed by the first Tim Burtan BATMAN movie and being underwhelmed by the first X-MEN movie). This is why I liked the first FF movie and it is why I LOVED FF:ROTSS. I thought FF 2 was GREAT and, IMO, is the best superhero movie put out this year.
 
Rottentomates has FF2 at 38%, which is rather pathetic imo for a movie that has the general consensus that it is better than the first installment. Still plan to see it tomorrow, though.
 
Just got back from seeing it. Yes, I enjoyed it. What I do want to say is that this was a PG-13 film. If you've seen it, you know why. The PG was obviously a ploy to get more kiddies into the flick. If this was the early 80's, then PG would fly, but this was in no way a rated PG movie. Would have liked to see Doom command an army, but whatever....he craved the power that the Surfer had, even tried to sway him to his side, which is what Doctor Doom does. Alba is hot as hell with glasses. That's all I can say about that...inside jokes about Alba aside, you know you wanted to smack that ass whenever she put those spectacles on. Kudos to WETA for creating a well done Surfer on par with Gollum as far as subtle facial expressions and photorealism. Will have more later on, as i am somewhat sleepy...zzzz.
 
Well, I am a bit late with this because I went to a little gathering Friday evening but I am going to check in with my thoughts and I did not read through all the others yet so here goes...

I have to start by saying that this was a far more enjoyable an outing for me than the first film, which is sort of a guilty pleasure for me. Not perfect but still made for a good old styled adventure flick. Friday, I went to a matinee of FF: ROTSS and it wasn’t too crowded with a general mix of male/female and some kids sprinkled in here and here. There was much wailing and gnashing out teeth about the film’s run time and to an extent I agree with that. I think the pacing was just right until the end, and then things get wrapped up rather quickly. I wanted more of Cosmic Doom.

The movie starts off with a rather effective prologue showing a planet turned into a barren husk as a silvery figure streaks off into the void. At the same time, we are re-introduced the FF as Reed and Sue prepare for their wedding. I have to say that at times Jessica’s wig looks a too fake and it does become a bit distracting. Nevertheless she makes a beautiful bride and Kerry Washington also has some very nice scene as Sue’s Maid of Honor. Even though she and Ben are not married she is a part of their extended family and she seems at home at the Baxter building. Speaking of which, good move to have Reed shaking off the financial woes that plagued him the last time out. The Baxter Building looks very high tech and state of the art now, not the somewhat eccentrically shabby HQ we saw the first time out.

I liked the wedding scene that kicks things off. While we don't have every Marvel villain under the sun show up due to Doom's mind manipulation gizmo, it's still a pretty chaotic scene when the helicopter goes out of control (for some reason, my thoughts went back to how actor Vic Morrow got decapitated in a copter stunt gone wrong on the set of the "Twilight Zone" movie). This is one of my two favorite Ben scenes.... in this one he take a hold of the tail of the helicopter and takes the blades right in his face. The second one that really shows off his strength is the London Eye scene. Now we get a better demonstration of just how strong he is...far better than that deleted scene of him showing some effort in just picking up a truck.

The middle portion of the film cross cuts between various scenes of Doom’s revival, the Surfer prepping the planet for the Devourer of Worlds and the FF being pressed into service by military. Reed’s powers by the way were a bit of a hit and miss. It looked less effective on the dance floor scene but I really liked the way he stretched himself to help support the London Eye, or to whiz through his PDA. But when you come down to it, Reed’s main power over the years never really needed cosmic intervention (unless you subscribe to Grant Morrison’s theory in Fantastic Four 1234) and that is his ability to wrap his brain around a problem and come up with the solution.

Now to get to Doom… a vast improvement for me over the first film. The screenwriters have taken the best way out IMO… and that is that they have pretty much ignored the Victor Von Doom of the first film. They also disposed of the romantic triangle in a little confrontation when Sue comes across Victor secretly working on a device of his own. She threatens to place a force field bubble inside his body and cause it to explode, which is pretty much what she threatened to do and the end of Chris Claremont’s FF vs the X-Men BTW. I have to confess the Doomophile in me was very jazzed to see that street scene labeled in “Hassenstadt, Latveria”, even though it was all too brief. It looked just like one would imagine it to be, a country that still looks Old World European. Victor always liked to keep Latveria in a pristine state and he would never allow a giant Ferris wheel within its borders. :woot: As for Julian’s performance, I think he did convey the arrogance quite well and I really think the weakness once again lies with the dialogue…. a few too many colloquialisms crept in again during the final battle but at least no “Marco Polo’isms”. I wish they had left one line in from the book though. After his meeting with the Surfer ends up badly, he had a line “Aliens!”, in a manner suggesting that he felt they were a nuisance. But perhaps it got dropped in light of the current political football in Congress. Or when he was initially monitoring the Surfer’s progress over the planet, he could have said something like “What manner of being are you??”

As for the Surfer himself, all three components worked for me… Laurence Fishburne’s voice (and I think they accelerated the cadence of his speech a bit from the TV spots), the special effects enhancements and Doug Jones providing the embodiment underneath it all. Hellmistress was certainly correct about the “tarnished” Surfer… it conveyed the sense that his power was (temporarily) stripped from him. Much like Doom kicks him when he down in the FF comic, Victor couldn’t resist getting a little vengeance when the Surfer was taken down by the jamming device they came up with to separate him from his board.

Ben and Johnny were still the best of the foursome but there was improvement in Reed, particularly when he makes his geek speech to the general. He’s a bit mild mannered in the films as compared to a more Doc Savage kind of guy in the comics but he is most decidedly he leader of the group.

Finally, I have to say Galactus in this incarnation made for an impressive display for me. I like that we really didn't see classic Galactus here and as a poster named Cyber Coyote pointed out on another FF MB, each culture perceives him in a different manifestation in any case. This was shown back in John Byrne's FF #262, The Trial of Galactus Was this THE Galactus trilogy from the comics? No but I think it would have never made it to the screen in its original form anyway. The Lee/Kirby version may have to wait for a another day. What we do get is a little of the arc of the Surfer from the year that Image did the FF with Jim Lee. In that story, Doom does capture the Silver Surfer and we first see him being tortured by Doom in HR FF #4. And later, when Galactus does show up, he has his Heralds (four of them this time) place capicators all over the globe, only these look more volcanic in appearance. I'm sure there will be some that won't care for this version at all but I thought this manifestation of Galactus was more ominous than a human form would be.

Overall rating: 7 out of 10
 
I thought this movie was great. I was expecting it to be way worse but it blew me away! A million times better then Spider-man 3

9/10
 
My only critique in judging a comic book movie, is if the movie is respectful to the source material, and translates it in such a way that it works on the big screen with live actors. In this way Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer delivers big time.

The movie is a definite upgrade of the first, in every sense of the term. Visually, we really get to see the Fantastic Four from the comics. In the first movie, the Baxter Building was a run down degraded science lab, that showed Reed's finiancial struggles. Now the Baxter Building looks like what we remember from the comics. The whole complex from a birdseye view has the 4 emblem on it. There's a large room with computers and a giant wide screen monitor, and even a holographic secretary.

The movie is a complete wonder to the eye. A huge effects upgrade on this one, and on a grander scale. The scene on the river Thames is perhaps one of the best visually concepted scenes in the film, and it's only 1/4 of the way into the film.

The biggest aspect of this however, is the Silver Surfer himself. He will go down with Gollum, as being one of the greatest digital creations in film. This is no T-1000, this is far, far beyond that. Some of his best scenes are whe he loses the board and apears as a dull gray. Doug Jones and the Weta Animators, did a wonderfull job bring the physical aspects of the character to life, and Lawrence Fishburn is a perfect match as the Surfer's voice.

Andre Braugher is a welcome addition as General Hager, a man with a past history with Reed Richards, and not a good one. Hager needs Richard's mind to save the planet, but he doesn't want all the baggage that comes with it. He a no holds bar military man, and he doesn't want 4 circus freaks running the show.

Which brings us to the return of Julian McMahon who is back with a vengance. Victor plays General Hager and the FF like a fiddle. While his screen time is short, it is significant, and it is the Doom we know from the comics. His encounter with the Surfer reminded me a bit of the comics when he faced the Beyonder, who also magically takes away Victors scars. And while Doom is unmasked in this movie, you don't get a good look at his distorted face, which I thought was wise. You always want to leave a bit of a mystery.

The characters are also at their best in this movie. The interactions between the characters was much more relaxed and believable in this one. We see some nice heartfelt moments between Johnny and Sue. We now see Reed as the confident leader, no longer unsure of himself and financially broke.

As far as Galactus is concerned, I had no problem with the interpretation. I've always been of the mind that a 50 foot guy in purple pants would not work visually on the big screen. It works in comics, because it's a 2-D medium, and they don't have to deal with perspective. You do see the sillhouette of the famous helmet, and even a glimps of a firey Galactus at the heart of the storm.

The Fantastic Four has always been about family, and you definitely get the sense of that in this movie. I won't spoil it, but one of the members sacrifices themselves for the team, and it was a heartfelt moment.

Overall, a worthy effort in the Marvel lineup. Of the Marvel fims out this year, I'd put it above Ghost Rider, and only slightly below Spider-man 3. But the movie is wide open for a seqel, and I hope this movie has some big success at the box office to allow that seqal to happen.

Rating: 8/10

8/10
 
I hated it. Better than the first one though. As for the silhouette of galactus well that simply wasn't enough for me.
 
Big fan of the Spider-Man comics and films, but I have always loved the Fantastic Four due to the early Spidey/Torch stories in the early days of "Amazing."

I really enjoyed the new FF, and I thought Silver Surfer's look was incredible! My only complaints were with the movie's length being too short (I love long movies, I liked Spidey 3, right!!!), the lack of Dr. Doom using the Power Cosmic, and the dud conclusion with Galactus and the Surfer. Also, what happened to Doom when he feel in the river? Also, he is still not a menacing as I pictured a villian of his caliber should be.

Overall, this is a great movie. The FF movies are very good for the combination of humor and action, along with a good story as seen in this movie. I gave my favorite hero, Spider-Man, an 8.5/10 rating for Spider-Man 3, so I will proudly give Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer an 8.0/10 rating.
 
My Review: Aweseom 8.5/10

What the hell movie did some of you people watch? My expectations were crushed going in and I was totally blown away by the last hour of this film. I liked Doom and his motives, I liked the presentation of Galactus which I think played out better than it could have by sticking to the source. Doug Jones was awesome. When he loses his board is it me or did his voice change to that of Doug Jones? I noticed several scenes or lines from the trailer were changed for the film, I also noticed the editing of the trailer was very deceiving as shots from sequences were tied together like the Silver Surfer doing his thunderclap but it wasn't really him it was Johnny, and Johnny's Tux line, oh and I loved the extra scene after the credits. Totally sets things up for later. I didn't see the Watcher. And it wasn't very clear but at the end I could swear I saw a blurred image of Galactus in the flames and clouds. The Fantasticar was awesome. The action was great, and the comedy came at the right moments. Ioan didn't get it together till about 30 minutes in but he came alive as he should. Yeah the Dance scene was stupid but who cares. The kids loved it. My theatre was packed full. The last hour of this film was pure gold and I enjoyed it more than Spidey 3. No it's no perfect but it was a startling improvement from the first film. This film will have legs. I think some of you just need to view this film for it's own merits and not hate it so much because of the change to Galactus. Tim Story did a fine job. It was a living, breathing comic book movie. Very fun, visually stunning, and the best anti-hero/villain I've seen in any comic book film...ever. The silver surfer. Just mind blowing. I particularly liked that one scene where the Surfer came out from within his board. I was like...WHAT?!?!?!? Awesome stuff guys. Don't miss it. The best part is the really did save Galactus and not ruin him. They could go in many directions with him though he appeared to be destroyed at the end. The Silver Surfer is such a deep character and I cannot wait for more of him in a FF sequel and the solo film. I ask the quesiton again...was that Fishburns voice the whole way through or when the Surfer was depowered was it Dougie at that point? It did not sound like Lawrence when he was depowered at all. Weird.

To rate it amongst other Marvel comic book films:

Better than: Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man 3, Elektra, Daredevil, original X-Men.

If it had a bit better of a beginning it'd almost be perfect. I want more damnit! Bring on part 3. Yeah that wasn't so much of a structured review but I just got back. Also I"m finally starting to dig Transformers trailers.

Also how was this film PG and the 1st one PG-13? All that whining about the rating for nothing. Doom did more damage in this one than the first one. I saw no sacrifice due to the rating.
 
In May I would have NEVER believed that I would say this but...........I think I liked Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer BETTER than Spider-Man 3.

I also do not agree with all the bad reviews.....I mean sure it was cheesy....but the FF have always been cheesy, thats how Stan Lee wrote them.

this movie isn't perfect...it has plenty of flaws but it was 100X better than the original.

The Silver Surfer was SPOT ON, perfect IMO. And the Morpheus voice was not as distracting as I thought it would be. All the CGI and effects were amazing.

Stan Lee has the BEST cameo out of all the Marvel movies in this one.

The 2 things I hated were

1. Dr. Doom (he was just GOD AWFUL, it made me cringe every scene he was in, they really have no idea about his character at all, he was the worst part of this movie)

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2. Galactus.........COME ON! how can they tease us with his shadow across a planet and the outline of his face in the fire and not give us the REAL DEAL. And the way he was defeated soooo easily by the Silver Surfer just made no sense. It made no sense for the surfer to unwillingly serve Galactus if all he has to do is fly into the storm and glow and thats it.



Overall the film wasn't "fantastic" but it was definitely a fun night at the movies and I lef the theater no where near as dissappointed as I did with Spidey 3.
 
I really enjoyed this movie, they definitely improved on the first, and I love this series' lighthearted take on superheroes, the humor, the bright colors all work very nicely, it's a nice change of pace from the dour ones we've had of late. I definitely rate it a few points higher than SM3, which I thought was pretty dreadful.

Though I wish they didn't take on SS and Galactus just yet(way too early for them to take on something so damn powerful, I would have done the Inhumans), they did a good job, though having Galactus dissappear from sight at the end raised too many questions.

So I am guessing Norrin's ability to absorb energy allowed him to sap up some of the earths energy while G was doing his thing, and do enough to make G go away?
 
I just got back about an hour ago and in a word--FANTASTIC.

This was the first summer blockbuster NOT to disappoint. It had everything I wanted...I honestly can't think of anything to complain about.

The movie did really have an epic feel for me because unlike other Superhero movies, you really get the sense that the entire world was at risk.

The Surfer? INCREDIBLE. The voice was good and the man himself was a sight to behold...even in his live action state w/o his board he was still a guy you did not wanna mess with.

Doom? To be honest, there just wasn't enough of him in "Doom" mode to really critique but what we did get was impressive.

The 4?

Johnny-spot on as usual. I especially liked how they showed his more sensitive side and how hurt he was at the notion of them splitting up.

Ben-again, perfect. I don't know about you but I don't think he was cut short for the sake of Doom and the Surfer as everyone else said. What we got of him was quality stuff.

Susan-well...okay look, I never liked Alba for the role BUT I must say that she held her own in this one. She was impressive.

Reed-GREAT. He finally stepped up and acted like the leader of the Fantastic 4. I especially liked how he pwned the General after he disrespected the team--just LOVED it.

Galatus-In the context of the film, it worked so I ain't complaining. Given the amount of time in the film, I seriously doubt a faithful LOOKING translation would've done the character justice.

And what I especially loved about the movie were the 'little' family moments ie Ben and Johnny at the bar and them bickering in front of the general...that was classic F4 IMO.

Overall, a great film. 8.5/10

Definately seeing it again. :woot:


I do have one question though:

1) What exactly did the Surfer do to Doom? Obviously he was still a metal man underneath demonstrated by Thing slamming him against the wall at the UN. And of course he still had his electricity powers. Did he just heal him or what?
 

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