FF 2 Rate and Review Thread

[Advanced Dark]

Yeah way more fun than Spidey 3 which I enjoyed too. I put a longer review on my myspace blog. Link in my signature.

 

[BH/HHH]

I thought this movie was great. I was expecting it to be way worse but it blew me away! A million times better then Spider-man 3

9/10

spidey 3 sucked bananas

 

[Hiruu]

Poor Tim Story. I think he has done a B+ job and doesn't deserve all the hate he gets. These are movies, not comics and some people just don't realize they won't get a movie that is exactly like all the comics. There has to be deviations from the source material because lets face it...the comics although good...had a lot of corny, cheesy moments I never want to see on screen. Plus with so much canon, so many different story lines, characters, etc...you can't just pick one story line or there would innevitably be 100+ movies.

To me, that what alot of fans DON'T get. For most people, comics are just pulp fiction, which is true when taken as an individual book, but the most important aspect of most comics is that it's serial...to the extreme. Story has tell quite a long and rich story about a freaking story that has alot of details and intricacies. I think comic fans are getting a little bit spoiled by the financial support of studios to capitalize on a extended "fad" in the genre...6 years ago, most of us fans would have been drooling over this film. I look at it this way, are there improvements from the first film...yes, a significant improvement...and much of the reviews say the same darn thing. Fox is greedy, but they aren't completely stupid. Fantastic Four has to keep uppping the bar to deliver better returns at the BO, so I expect a strogner commitment (i.e. money and time) to the next film. Hopefully, Tim Story is given a bit more flexibility this time, and I believe the entire staff will seek to deliver a better film. Without that extra 25-35 minutes of running time, it's difficult to fully flesh out a plot with complex story lines, but it seems that Fox just isn't interested in that (see EVERY other film ,expect X2), so we take the good and the bad.

 

[DJ Fate]

Spider-man 2 is considered to be one of the best if not the best comic book movie of all time, so hell yea people are gonna be disappointed with Spider-man 3. But to say FF2 was better is insane, SPider-man 3 tried to give people everything they wanted and just failed because they couldn't fit it all in, but FF2 gives you the minimal and somehow makes people happy. No villain, which was doom, made a move until the last 10 minutes, Galactus was a cloud over the planet and was defeated, not destroyed but defeated easily within a few minutes of showing up was ridiculous. FF2 turned out to be the bare minimum of what they could have done with this movie. Note to movie studio: make crappy superhero movie that brings in 350 Mil. make sequel with minimum to bring in more. It easy to outdue the first when that movie sucked. Everybody makes it sound like its a great accomplishment that its better than the first but i dont see how thats makes it average even.

 

[tedw]

I'm surprised that anyone would say that Spider-Man 3 could not "fit it all in" given the length of the movie.

I would place FF2 above SM3 on the quality scale.

 

[Mr Jide]

You do see the sillhouette of the famous helmet, and even a glimps of a firey Galactus at the heart of the storm.

I havn't seen the movie yet but if this is indeed true, then I'm happy. So does this mean, a huge giant dwells within this so called cloud? Plan on seeing this today.

 

[Papa Burgundy]

spiderman 3 is better than this movie mainly because of the fact that the first half is very good and the action scenes are good. but when the black suit was portrayed as a dancing ability enhancer is when it stared getting weird.

 

[DJ Fate]

Spiderman 3 put 3 villains in a 140 minute movie. FF2 put 10 minutes of a villain into the movie. Spider-man 3 tried to give you everything for villains but FF2 gave you the bare minimum when it comes to a villain and even the one villain that actaully posed a threat was disposed of easily, then i say yea, they couldnt fit it in. Spider-man 3 had 140 minutes to develop villains but couldnt put it in. FF2 had 90 minutes but couldnt even have a villain til the last 10-15 minutes. But sonehow FF2 was better quality wise. I dont get how one move tries to be epic and fails and people hate it but another movie continues on being the typical comic book movie and is somehow better. At least Spider-man went all out, in FF2 it doesnt even seem like they attempted.

 

[DJ Fate]

111

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

My only question for anyone that wants to answer it, why did you liked it?
What was so good about it?
There is nothing there...

 

[Hunter Rider]

My only question for anyone that wants to answer it, why did you liked it?
What was so good about it?
There is nothing there...

their reviews are in this thread Issy just have a read through,plenty of posters explain why they liked it

 

[tedw]

I don't think the entire focus of FF2 was on Doom as the villain; the Silver Surfer was obviously presented as a potential villain, or at least a leading character whose intent was not clear to the main characters early on. Personally, I don't think a good movie needs to give me "everything for villains".

I can't speak for anyone else's opinions of SM3 but I did not feel it was epic at all, and I felt like they tried to shoehorn in too many villains for the amount of time they had - knowing, upfront, that they would never have been able to stretch to a 4-hour film, so why cram an extra bad guy in there if you can't devote the proper time to him?

Which is better - knowing your limitations and still trying to overstuff your film, or knowing your limitations and, in your words, only using a small percentage of your time?

 

[Incrediblejeff]

My review of Fantastic Four :Rise Of The Silver Surfer

Spoilers ahoy!!



Fantastic Four :Rise of the Silver Surfer was a enjoyable ride filled with mixed emotions.I had fun during the movie.I was also a little upset walking out,but less upset than I was with the first movie.I'm more satisfied than aggravated this time around.
The story was good,It had alot of finteresting elements in it.The Reed dance scene was kind of cheesy,but fun at the same time.That's basically how I can describe this movie.The dialouge was pure cheese.It was an odd scene.It was'nt as cool as Spider-man 3's random dancing,it was just odd.
Dr Doom has improved in this film (he still wasn't perfect,but he was good enough).It seemed like he was Victor more than Doom.I was hoping we would have seen more of him.It felt like they added him in at the last second.
The Silver Surfer was just plain cool.He was honestly the highlight of the film.Mostly all the scenes with the Surfer was in were great.He looked amazing visually,and sounded pretty good.I just think that his voice should have been softer.It's just a minor problem no biggie.
The four themselves felt more like thier comic counterparts.Reed felt a little more like reed.Sue felt more like Sue.Johnny and Ben felt more like themselves.Everyone felt more like how they should except for Doom(slightly it did seem more like him)and...

GALACTUS



I felt like I was cheated out of seeing Big G on the screen.Instead i was given a storm cloud.Some may argue that Galactus is too hard to pull off without seeming silly.I would have to disagree.There are ways to pull him off.I also would have liked The Watcher,but he's not really needed.
Other than the problems.I had a good time
6.9/10

 

[DJ Fate]

But the second i heard Silver Surfer was in this movie i knew he wasnt going to a be a villain. The first movie was the same mold. Spend 80-90 minutes of the movie doing this or that, then the villain makes a move in the last 10 minutes and is defeated easily. Ok, give me that the first movie fine but Doom was even worse in the second. And yea doom was the only villain in the movie, unless you want to consider a reflecion or a shadow of Galactus's helmet. I agree with Spider-man, the script should have been cut into 2 movies but the studio pressured to make it the final movie of the trilogy. Movies dont need a great villain to be really good but all of these movies have lacked a seriously evil villain.

 

[DJ Fate]

I did enjoy the movie, but i just wish as we get more comc book movies, we would get more supervillains.

 

[32CAGE]

I rate it above average. The acting by mister fantastic and the thing was grating however.

 

[BH/HHH]

You do see the sillhouette of the famous helmet, and even a glimps of a firey Galactus at the heart of the storm..

Ya know i thought I saw something but thought it was just me. That was the part when he went right to the centre wasn't it, kind of fiery.

 

[F4xMrFantastic]

I did enjoy the movie, but i just wish as we get more comc book movies, we would get more supervillains.

Hey DJ, just wondering, how is the new game?

 

[squeekness]

Ya know i thought I saw something but thought it was just me. That was the part when he went right to the centre wasn't it, kind of fiery.

I must have missed the part with Galactus's head because all I saw was a cloud. I'll have to look for it when I see it again.

 

[Tony Stark]

I felt like I was cheated out of seeing Big G on the screen.Instead i was given a storm cloud.Some may argue that Galactus is too hard to pull off without seeming silly.I would have to disagree.There are ways to pull him off.I also would have liked The Watcher,but he's not really needed.

I'm curious on how you think they could pull him off. A 50 foot guy walking around in purple pants? Galactus definitely has a form in this movie, but he's sort of made out of cosmic fire. I thought it was a good choice. Galactus isn't human, so he shouldn't look human. The surfer on the other hand was once human (or at least humanoid), so it makes sense his cosmic form resembles that.

 

[squeekness]

I'm curious on how you think they could pull him off. A 50 foot guy walking around in purple pants? Galactus definitely has a form in this movie, but he's sort of made out of cosmic fire. I thought it was a good choice. Galactus isn't human, so he shouldn't look human. The surfer on the other hand was once human (or at least humanoid), so it makes sense his cosmic form resembles that.

I agree. I thought the cloud was better than the classic Galactus look. Made more sense.

 

[iceberg325]

I enjoyed FF4 2 much more than FF4 1!!!!!! I think the problem with part 2 is it tries to be too funny. There were momnets I think the comedy should have been toned down. The effects were great except for Mr. Fantastic. He looked horrible!! The scene in the club IMO trumps the spidey 3 dance scene lol. Jessica Alba looked horrible!!!!! Silver Surfer was awesome. I think they nailed it. The whole Galactus cloud wasnt as bad as I thought. The earth was is big trouble and as a viewer I never felt that urgency because of the too often comedic moments. I hated the in film product marketing!!!! I'd give the movie a 3 out of 5.

 

[highguard]

Ok well this is my full review. First a little back story; I liked Xmen3, FF1, TMNT, 300, Ghost Rider and all 3 Spiderman films and the first two Batmans, Star Wars:ROTS and the Matrix Movies, plus the Lord of the Rings Trilogy.

So now you know my tastes so it should come as no surprise that I liked FF:ROTSS a great deal.

However there were some elements that I thought needed some improvements and I will deal with those as well.

The Good

The FX

They should win several Oscars and awards for this thing. It was outstanding. The Silver Surfer was a joy to behold and his de-powered state was actually more impressive than the CGI surfer. Doug Jones did an excellent representation of Norrin Radd. I was astonished that the menace of Galactus was actually realized by the “Cloud” but it was impressive how they chose to represent his destructive force. The new thing costume is much improved. The brow was ok, and the Thing looked thick and strong. The torch was also very well done. Sue’s special effects were cool but simple in a good way, they are based around invisibility after all. Her sky riding was a lovely touch at the London eye.


Pacing:

I tell you I had my doubts but the movie did not seem as rushed as it might have been. I think that it could be seen that Tim took great pains to use the action to move the story along. I found that they used the wedding preparations as a nice setup to the arrival of the surfer and that scene with Reed dancing was just great.

Humor:

This movie was genuinely funny. The camera really loves Chris Evans and he really enjoyed himself in this movie and is the funniest of the bunch. In the context of this franchise I think that the comedy worked. Johnny burning the flowers at the end had my theater crowd cracking up. Oh and the scene where Reed has some fun dancing, priceless.


Cinematography:

This set the whole tone of the film and the opening sequence of Galactus consuming a planet was great, then the continent hopping as the SS traversed the globe and the Black Forest scene was simply epic.

Johnny’s fight with Super Doom was good but there was not that sense of risk to Johnny and the others as you might have gotten if they had had Doom get a lot more licks in while fighting the four. This was the centerpiece action scene and was spectacular.


Acting:

Johnny was great, Ben was good, Reed was Fantastic, he is now Reed Richards, Jessica was much improved. General Hager (Andre Braugher) was remarkable as was Frankie Raye. I even enjoyed the little cameo by the wedding priest and the guy who tortured the surfer. I will tell you this Alicia was just so sweet, I am telling you she is just gorgeous and they should have used her more in the film, the screen lit up every time she was on.

Family values:

Alba morphed into Sue Richards in this movie, her concerns about raising her children in a dangerous environment was realistically handled. The most touching scenes in my mind was the moment when Johnny saw that Sue was alive and well. That moment is classic. Ben and Johnny sticking it to Reed together about not telling them they might leave the FF was a nice turnabout. More than anything these little gestures are what made me appreciate this movie, these moments were the heart of the FF.


The movie captured the heart of the Fantastic Four. The little things that distinguished them were all represented. They bickered as they did in the helicopter on their way to the London Eye, but the genuine love for each other was there as seen in Johnny praising his big sis on her wedding day, and his realization that the fate of the world and his family was riding on his shoulders.

The score:

Much more suitable, but very subtle I thought. I can’t say I recall too much about the score but it all seemed well implemented.

The music seemed to fit so I guess that it is safe to say that they did not edit it to hell.



The Bad

Galactus’ Missing Humanoid Form:

Well first of all I have to deal with Galactus; I think that they did a disservice to the movie by not having the inner core of the cloud coalesce into a more humanoid form ala the source in the Matrix as the Surfer approached. My eyes may be bad here cause I did not catch the face everyone seems to have seen. I really think that Fox dropped the ball here and it will surely cost them at the box office. They could have made it a little more clear that this was a manifestation of Galactus. Norrin could have done this while talking to Sue when he was captured, Tim this one is on you. They dropped the ball here.

Reed’s stretching powers and sound effects do not sound quite right, it still looks and sounds like rubber stretching. I am not convinced that flesh and bone stretching would have a rubber band kind of sound.


Doctor Doom:

The armor and the action he was involved in was great and Victor apparently is healed of his metallic problem but his line delivery leaves something to be desired at times. This is strange because he got it when he began talking with the surfer of ruling the world but at the beginning of that same scene he had that smarmy Nip/ Tuck voice. Sometimes he gets it and sometimes he does not. I know that Julian can be better at this if given the right direction. Tim Story needs to work on his direction of Doom if we get a number 3.

The Action Sequences:

At times I thought that some scenes were not edited well. The scene of the torch plummeting to earth could have been presented much better. Reentry can be a stunning spectacle and this and other scenes seem as if they needed an extra few seconds. His peril was not played up enough. Tim has to do a better Job at making us feel the tension and danger in these situations. For instance Johnny’s predicament in the first film with the missile chase was perfect, this was a little off.

Inconsistencies:

General Hager must be insane, how else would you explain his reliance on a man who must be wanted for murder and mayhem. It just does not add up that you would imprison the Fantastic Four and yet leave a known megalomaniac walking around free and then give him access to an item of almost limitless power.

Also it was kind of odd that during the fight with Doom Johnny seemed to enjoy himself, this after seeing his sister at deaths door.



The Running Time:

Honestly the movie did not feel all that short but I left the theater wanting a bit more for my $6:50 investment. Also I think for average audience goers, by the time you start to get invested in the characters the movie is done. Watching the interaction between Johnny and Ben made me long for at least two or three more of those scenes. I think in building your core audience you have to be careful with this. I know the core audience may be the kids but I really feel that fanboys, teenagers and young adults need a little bit more.


The Script/Plot that we Got:

It was a satisfying intergalactic story of an apocalyptic end of world situation. I loved it, however a UN meeting or two about the end of the world preparations or a speech like Morgan Freeman did in that movie “Deep Impact” might have set the stage for the final battle and framed the conflict perfectly for the whole world. Like I said Tim has to play up the tension and the real world danger in these movies a little bit more. Of course this would have required like 10 more minutes to develop and discover the Surfer’s secret, Earths Satellites picking up the anomaly and being informed as to the nature of what they were facing. I guess someone felt another ten minutes might have been a killer.

Summary:

Overall this film really worked for me. I think that Tim Story is growing by leaps and bounds and it is clear that he listens to the fanboys somewhat while pursuing his vision. You can’t ask for more from a director at a studio such as Fox.

The improvements he promised were all there, from Doom to the brow to the amped up action. We even saw the castle, a little nugget. It is clear that this was to some extent Johnny and Sue’s film whereas the last one was mostly about Ben but it worked for me.

Reed’s best scene of this film shows you just how unique Tim Story is as a director. When Reed stepped up and announced that yes he was the nerd that studied hard and now he has the girl and the money and all the glitz I think that he spoke for many fanboys of today and yesteryear. We want to be Reed or Johnny or Superman because we wanted to be more than what we were. That Tim Story was able to give voice to the underlying sentiment that shapes so many hardcore fans (geeks in us) of comic books is testament to his membership in our fraternity, he understands.

He truly gets what the Fantastic Four and the comic books are all about and I think that is why his movie feels like a true comic book. He gets it and he is not ashamed to tell it like it is.


This movie got a B from me.

 

[F4xMrFantastic]

I agree. I thought the cloud was better than the classic Galactus look. Made more sense.

I wouldnt say it made more sense, it just that maybe a giant man would have seemed a little silly.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Also, as much as I think they should have put in the real Galactus, that cloud coming to Earth was more scary than a huge human. Hopefully we really see the big man in Silver Surfer's movie.