Future TV shows from Marvel?

[Zarex]

There are still classic members of the Defenders like Nighthawk, Valkyrie and Hellcat who are far more associated with the team than DD, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and especially Jessica Jones. If those three were there for the small screen Defenders, then even if they don't have the likes of Hulk, Dr Strange, Namor or Silver Surfer, then it would still seem more like the comic book Defenders. And having DD and Luke Cage there would be more like those issues where those two did appear.

As for an extra team, well are you saying that if Marvel had the rights to the Fantastic Four, that they also wouldn't be needed because they already have the Avengers? Or maybe they'll just end up as Avengers themselves and not a separate family of four because everything has to fall under this Avengers umbrella?

Think of it in terms of branding - Marvel's big screen earth-based superhero team up films will likely always be named "The Avengers", regardless of the lineup (a family-based, exploratory team like the FF is in a different category). That's Marvel's biggest brand right now, bigger even than Spidey, so even if a future film installment puts the Surfer, Namor, the Hulk and Dr. Strange together they would carry The Avengers banner as well.

So Marvel's Defenders banner is available for use on its TV based street-level heroes, which ties into its 616 Universe and creates an interesting contrast with the big screen superhero brand. It's inconsistent with the comics version, but rolls off the tongue better than either Heroes for Hire or Marvel Knights. It also opens up the possibility that a Defenders team may make a big screen appearance after the miniseries, and Strange and Banner would be strong candidates to make an appearance if that were to happen.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I asked this in another thread, but people here might know better. What other TV shows have aired solely on Netflix before?

Hemlock Grove, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Season Four of Arrested Development.

Three of them have cursing (As in F-Word, S.O.B, M-F etc), some nudity and some violence.

 

[DrCosmic]

There are still classic members of the Defenders like Nighthawk, Valkyrie and Hellcat who are far more associated with the team than DD, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and especially Jessica Jones. If those three were there for the small screen Defenders, then even if they don't have the likes of Hulk, Dr Strange, Namor or Silver Surfer, then it would still seem more like the comic book Defenders. And having DD and Luke Cage there would be more like those issues where those two did appear.

As for an extra team, well are you saying that if Marvel had the rights to the Fantastic Four, that they also wouldn't be needed because they already have the Avengers? Or maybe they'll just end up as Avengers themselves and not a separate family of four because everything has to fall under this Avengers umbrella?

Well, I guess 'seeming like the comic book defenders' isn't the main goal. The goal, I believe is to unite these four popular-and-ideal-for-TV characters as a self sacrificing superhero team. The very best name for that just might be Defenders.

If Nighthawk, Valkyrie and Hellcat aren't characters that they are exploring right now, why would anyone feel a need to focus on them just to use the name Defenders? That would be foolish, to do something that's not awesome just because the comics did back in the day.

As for the proverbial FF, the actual example GOTG, isn't needed. They simply add to the universe, building up Thanos and etc. But, to do so in a constructive unique way, they have to be somewhere else, far from Earth, so that their problems do not naturally impact the Avengers or vice versa. If the GOTG were based on Earth they'd be pretty much 100% redundant, because then they'd have the same scope and focus at the Avengers. Chances are, if Marvel Studios had the FF, the FF would be 'off world' a lot and fill the cosmic exploration role GOTG is filling now, so that they don't become a second team that's around to save the world and can react with extreme power whenever a huge problem comes to town. By giving your extra teams a different scope and focus than your main team, you remove any redundancy, so they're no longer "extra" in the sense that they can replace the main team on any level.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Marvel can get away with more adult oriented stuff on Netflix.

 

[Dr. Evil]

They can connect this to MCU easily without having any MCU characters appear or have many references to MCU.

 

[DrCosmic]

They did say this would be grittier. I suspect we won't be getting many Jessica Jones action figures! It'd be interesting if they cut the kids out here, and let go of a lot of that 'Marvel humor' that the films rely on so much.

 

[KangConquers]

Think of it in terms of branding - Marvel's big screen earth-based superhero team up films will likely always be named "The Avengers", regardless of the lineup (a family-based, exploratory team like the FF is in a different category). That's Marvel's biggest brand right now, bigger even than Spidey, so even if a future film installment puts the Surfer, Namor, the Hulk and Dr. Strange together they would carry The Avengers banner as well.

So Marvel's Defenders banner is available for use on its TV based street-level heroes, which ties into its 616 Universe and creates an interesting contrast with the big screen superhero brand. It's inconsistent with the comics version, but rolls off the tongue better than either Heroes for Hire or Marvel Knights. It also opens up the possibility that a Defenders team may make a big screen appearance after the miniseries, and Strange and Banner would be strong candidates to make an appearance if that were to happen.

This. Deviations are NOT flaws.

 

[kaijunexus]

I'd say that there's a real possibility of the Hulk showing up in The Defenders. At the point that they create this mini-series, the special effects used for the Hulk will have been well-honed and practiced in two Avengers movies, with the digital resources already created. It might be financially feasible to actually feature the big green guy for at least several minutes worth of footage.

And Dr. Strange is pretty much a shoe-in since his powers shouldn't be too costly to visualize.

Of course, all of this depends of contract negotiations for TV appearances and such...

 

[Dark Raven]

Think of it in terms of branding - Marvel's big screen earth-based superhero team up films will likely always be named "The Avengers", regardless of the lineup (a family-based, exploratory team like the FF is in a different category). That's Marvel's biggest brand right now, bigger even than Spidey, so even if a future film installment puts the Surfer, Namor, the Hulk and Dr. Strange together they would carry The Avengers banner as well.

So Marvel's Defenders banner is available for use on its TV based street-level heroes, which ties into its 616 Universe and creates an interesting contrast with the big screen superhero brand. It's inconsistent with the comics version, but rolls off the tongue better than either Heroes for Hire or Marvel Knights. It also opens up the possibility that a Defenders team may make a big screen appearance after the miniseries, and Strange and Banner would be strong candidates to make an appearance if that were to happen.

I suppose if you put it that way about branding, then that's a fairly strong argument. I do hope though that Hulk and Strange can make an appearance in a big screen version.

Also, Matt Murdock defended Nighthawk (well Kyle Richmond) in court (in a couple of issues of the Defenders). I forget what were the charges, but they were the issues where The Mandrill appeared and DD teamed up with the team.

I hope that DD does end up getting a few comic characters he either needs to prosecute or defend instead of only regular criminals/ defendants.

Hemlock Grove, House of Cards, Orange is the New Black, Season Four of Arrested Development.

Three of them have cursing (As in F-Word, S.O.B, M-F etc), some nudity and some violence.

What are they like? Are they comparable to other Cable shows?

And are these Netflix shows usually available on torrent downloads? I'm guessing they are, like any other cable show?

We need some sub forums for each of these shows so that there can be casting and plot threads for them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Outside of a possible Ruffalo appearance, there are other ways to connect the shows to MCU:

- Intro of Jennifer Walters in Daredevil. She would not be She-Hulk at this point.
- Intro of Misty Knight in Iron Fist. If she gets her bionic arm, mention that Tony Stark made it and/or made of vibranium.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I suppose if you put it that way about branding, then that's a fairly strong argument. I do hope though that Hulk and Strange can make an appearance in a big screen version.

Also, Matt Murdock defended Nighthawk (well Kyle Richmond) in court (in a couple of issues of the Defenders). I forget what were the charges, but they were the issues where The Mandrill appeared and DD teamed up with the team.

I hope that DD does end up getting a few comic characters he either needs to prosecute or defend instead of only regular criminals/ defendants.



What are they like? Are they comparable to other Cable shows?


And are these Netflix shows usually available on torrent downloads? I'm guessing they are, like any other cable show?

We need some sub forums for each of these shows so that there can be casting and plot threads for them.

Cable as in HBO, Showtime and Cinemax? Yes. Cable as in AMC or FX? No.

 

[DrCosmic]

Outside of a possible Ruffalo appearance, there are other ways to connect the shows to MCU:

- Intro of Jennifer Walters in Daredevil. She would not be She-Hulk at this point.
- Intro of Misty Knight in Iron Fist. If she gets her bionic arm, mention that Tony Stark made it and/or made of vibranium.

YES! All of this.

I hope that DD does end up getting a few comic characters he either needs to prosecute or defend instead of only regular criminals/ defendants.

Yo, what if Murdock prosecutes Carl Lucas! Twist! Drama! Conflict!

I'd say that there's a real possibility of the Hulk showing up in The Defenders. At the point that they create this mini-series, the special effects used for the Hulk will have been well-honed and practiced in two Avengers movies, with the digital resources already created. It might be financially feasible to actually feature the big green guy for at least several minutes worth of footage.

That's more than a stretch, that's like a yoga stretch. It'd be nice, but I wouldn't put much money on that horse.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Outside of a possible Ruffalo appearance, there are other ways to connect the shows to MCU:

- Intro of Jennifer Walters in Daredevil. She would not be She-Hulk at this point.
- Intro of Misty Knight in Iron Fist. If she gets her bionic arm, mention that Tony Stark made it and/or made of vibranium.

Also have an appearance by Colonel James Rhodes and you wouldn't have to recast the part either.

 

[DrCosmic]

Including supporting cast from the MCU would definitely be interesting. A big win would be Black Widow in a few episodes of Daredevil, seeing as how they had a serious thing for a while in the comics.

 

[Dark Raven]

So I guess no-one wants Rex Smith back for Daredevil?

Marvel need to cut a deal with Sony to use Kingpin. They can't have a whole DD series and never have him feature.

YES! All of this.



Yo, what if Murdock prosecutes Carl Lucas! Twist! Drama! Conflict!

Not sure who that is off hand. Is that Luke Cage?

What will be a conflict is Matt defending some criminal that Cage or Fist put away. Or maybe even one that DD puts away. Don't know if he can recuse himself though for a criminal he has put away out of conflict of interest. What's he going to say since he won't want to reveal himself as DD?

And I really hope DD has a secret identity in this show like Oliver Queen does in Arrow. I don't want these public identities like the rest of the MCU. That's part of the fun here having this secret.

 

[DocHoliday]

I obviously have a lot of questions. Does this take place in the MCU? As such are they going to cast comparable names? Because of the format it wouldn't take a huge commitment if you look at Spacey in House of Cards. I'd be surprised if they didn't pop up in each others series before The Defenders. Also I could definitely see Ben Urich as the link between them all.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I obviously have a lot of questions. Does this take place in the MCU? As such are they going to cast comparable names? Because of the format it wouldn't take a huge commitment if you look at Spacey in House of Cards. I'd be surprised if they didn't pop up in each others series before The Defenders. Also I could definitely see Ben Urich as the link between them all.

This will take place within MCU. As I have said earlier, there are ways the four can connect without "The Avengers." The three main ways:

- Introduce Jennifer Walters in Daredevil, but before she is She-Hulk.
- Introduce Misty Knight in Iron Fist. If she has her bionic arm when she is introduced, make reference to the fact that it was created by Tony Stark and/or made of Vibranium.
- Have guest appearances from Don Cheadle as Rhodey or Sebastian Stan as an unbrainwashed Bucky.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Marvel:
>Agents of SHIELD
>Agent Carter
>Daredevil
>Luke Cage
>Iron Fist
>Jessica Jones
>Defenders

DC:
>Arrow
>Flash
>Gotham
>Constantine
>The Avenger
>Hourman
>Booster Gold (maybe)

As Sam said, HOT. DAMN.

 

[Dark Raven]

Is Agent Carter still on the cards? That wasn't listed as one of the 4 series or the mini series, so at this point all she has is that One-Shot. There's nothing confirmed about her at all. Maybe it was just a suggestion by Marvel that didn't pan out.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Is Agent Carter still on the cards? That wasn't listed as one of the 4 series or the mini series, so at this point all she has is that One-Shot. There's nothing confirmed about her at all. Maybe it was just a suggestion by Marvel that didn't pan out.

That one is probably Network.

 

[Mr. Dent]

As for the proverbial FF, the actual example GOTG, isn't needed. They simply add to the universe, building up Thanos and etc. But, to do so in a constructive unique way, they have to be somewhere else, far from Earth, so that their problems do not naturally impact the Avengers or vice versa. If the GOTG were based on Earth they'd be pretty much 100% redundant, because then they'd have the same scope and focus at the Avengers. Chances are, if Marvel Studios had the FF, the FF would be 'off world' a lot and fill the cosmic exploration role GOTG is filling now, so that they don't become a second team that's around to save the world and can react with extreme power whenever a huge problem comes to town. By giving your extra teams a different scope and focus than your main team, you remove any redundancy, so they're no longer "extra" in the sense that they can replace the main team on any level.

I disagree with this. FF aren't really "cosmic Avengers" which is what the GOTG is. They protect the universe like how the Avengers protect Earth. FF are explorers who just find themselves in weird situations. You can have them discovering the Negative Zone and dealing with the after effects of it, or finding Atlantis, etc. The FF wouldn't be redundant because they're not a strike force response team, which is more or less what the Avengers are.

Is Agent Carter still on the cards? That wasn't listed as one of the 4 series or the mini series, so at this point all she has is that One-Shot. There's nothing confirmed about her at all. Maybe it was just a suggestion by Marvel that didn't pan out.

I always thought Agent Carter was locked for ABC as a spin-off of sorts of AOS.

 

[Dasher10]

Defenders? I thought they went by Marvel Knights or Heroes for Hire? And where did Punisher and Ghost Rider go? I thought they were part of the team.

 

[Chewy]

I obviously have a lot of questions. Does this take place in the MCU? As such are they going to cast comparable names? Because of the format it wouldn't take a huge commitment if you look at Spacey in House of Cards. I'd be surprised if they didn't pop up in each others series before The Defenders. Also I could definitely see Ben Urich as the link between them all.

They'll probably cast comparable names. I imagine they'll hold huge casting searches for the leads like they did for Thor, Cap and Star-Lord

 

[Dark Raven]

I disagree with this. FF aren't really "cosmic Avengers" which is what the GOTG is. They protect the universe like how the Avengers protect Earth. FF are explorers who just find themselves in weird situations. You can have them discovering the Negative Zone and dealing with the after effects of it, or finding Atlantis, etc. The FF wouldn't be redundant because they're not a strike force response team, which is more or less what the Avengers are.


I always thought Agent Carter was locked for ABC as a spin-off of sorts of AOS.

The strike force response team is practically the original concept of what The Defenders were: a non-team who only teamed up when the situation arose but didn't spend the rest of the time together.

I remember starting up a thread shortly after the Avengers movie came out and questioning whether The Avengers really were a team or more of a response team. I recall everyone ridiculing that idea and saying "of course they are a team."

But the reality is that they aren't really a team and my question wasn't unreasonable at all. We can see this especially in all the Phase 2 movies. Iron Man hasn't hung out with his "team mates" in IM3. Thor is doing his own thing, and Cap has joined SHIELD and still serving with them two years on from the Avengers.

It seems then that there is at least a 2 year (probably more) period before the Avengers actually assemble again since the battle of New York.

If the FF were in the MCU, they would be a close-knit team who do hang out together, making them markedly different from the Avengers.

As for the TV Defenders, I don't know if they will also be essentially a response team who only come together when absolutely necessary. I don't really see DD hanging out with the others, but I could envision Cage and Fist forming a partnership, and Jessica Jones following.

 

[Dr. Evil]

They'll probably cast comparable names. I imagine they'll hold huge casting searches for the leads like they did for Thor, Cap and Star-Lord

Luke Cage is the one that interests me the most since whoever they cast will be out of the running to play T'Challa or whoever else shows up in Black Panther (Brother Voodoo, Killmonger, Man Ape)

This guy is my top choice for Luke Cage: