Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 1

[smashmode]

More *****ing will happen if the Reeds are cut

 

[Crockett]

Good to see is what we expected when it comes to ASoS. I'm very pleased with Benioff and Weiss as the show runners. They have a good grasp on the series and I was pleased with the first season but they also knows when to have fun. Reading what they thought about the new additions to the cast sounds good too, especially Gemma's and Alfie's chemistry and also Gwendoline, I think she's going to be great as Brienne.

The show drew some criticism during season one for its use of so-called sexposition and a reliance on nudity. Why do you think that some critics and viewers reacted so strongly to the inclusion of the nudity, considering George’s novels are rife with them and this is HBO? Do you intend to address the “sexposition” issue in the show’s second season?

Benioff: We will address this issue with a 20-minute brothel scene involving a dozen ****es, Mord the Jailer, a jackass, and a large honeycomb.

 

[smashmode]

sex in big tubs of pudding

 

[Pink Ranger]

The show drew some criticism during season one for its use of so-called sexposition and a reliance on nudity. Why do you think that some critics and viewers reacted so strongly to the inclusion of the nudity, considering George’s novels are rife with them and this is HBO? Do you intend to address the “sexposition” issue in the show’s second season?

Benioff: We will address this issue with a 20-minute brothel scene involving a dozen ****es, Mord the Jailer, a jackass, and a large honeycomb.

It might be more entertaining if you subtract the ****es from that scenario.

 

[squeekness]

Didn't the little imp fellow mention something involving that jackass, a brothel and some honey while he was "confessing" his crimes in the aerie? LOL, I'd rather leave whatever that had been to my imagination.

 

[Poeman]

10 season show whoopie!

 

[mr. peasant]

10 season show whoopie!

Or more likely, show that will be cancelled before completion. Not whoopie!!

 

[squeekness]

Been thinking about reading these, there's a Kindle bundle of the first three at a reasonable price. I am just afraid that I will like the show better. I was that way with Dexter.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I'm currently reading the second book...and I must say...I really dread reading each of Bran's chapters. I literally want to just skip his chapters and pretend he doesn't exist. I hope they find a way to make him more interesting in the second season.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

They'll get better once he meets 2 new characters.

 

[TLH]

Or more likely, show that will be cancelled before completion. Not whoopie!!

If this show lasts three seasons, and I'm sure it will, and continues to adapt a book per season then Season 3 should provide some degree of closure with some amazing climaxes that should create a satisfying arc. The first three books are a trilogy of sorts so three seasons of GoT would be, generally, a complete enough story to stand on its own.

If they get to Season 4, that's where things get tricky. They HAVE to be in for the long haul, as once you start adapting Book 4 there's virtually no way to wrap it up neatly without rushing things or cutting a lot of necessary stuff out.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't think they can end on A Storm of Swords. Just because of how Jon, Dany, and Tyrion's stories end. Especially Tyrion.

 

[Isub_Zero]

Been thinking about reading these, there's a Kindle bundle of the first three at a reasonable price. I am just afraid that I will like the show better. I was that way with Dexter.

Dexter's books aren't as good as te The TV show based on them, The books are quite bad(at least the first two i read), So don't take it as an example. I'm sure most of the fans will tell The Books of AGoT are better then the TV show.

I don't think they can end on A Storm of Swords. Just because of how Jon, Dany, and Tyrion's stories end. Especially Tyrion.

Actuelly... I think they can. It's a bit of an open ending, but it's no... Cliffhanger, for those three, like what Martin did at the end of AFfC and ADwD.
IMO ASoS ending won't be a bad ending for the show.

 

[Buford The Sly]

Actuelly... I think they can. It's a bit of an open ending, but it's no... Cliffhanger, for those three, like what Martin did at the end of AFfC and ADwD.
IMO ASoS ending won't be a bad ending for the show.

I can see that argument but if you end it without [BLACKOUT]Dany going to Westeros and White Walkers (Others) still behind the wall not mounting an attack[/BLACKOUT] people might feel a bit cheated.

 

[squeekness]

Dexter's books aren't as good as te The TV show based on them, The books are quite bad(at least the first two i read), So don't take it as an example. I'm sure most of the fans will tell The Books of AGoT are better then the TV show.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I have some birthday money coming. The Thrones Kindle bundle is $30, not bad for three good sized books together.

 

[TLH]

Dexter's books aren't as good as te The TV show based on them, The books are quite bad(at least the first two i read), So don't take it as an example. I'm sure most of the fans will tell The Books of AGoT are better then the TV show.

There are some interesting moments for fans of Dexter in the books, but overall they're fairly weak.

As for most fans saying the GoT books are better than the HBO series, well, that can't really be said yet. It can only be said of Book 1, which was adapted so faithfully and brilliantly, pretty much everyone I've talked to (I work at a book store) who are GoT fans say Book 1 and Season 1 were both equally great, sometimes for different reasons, as books and TV shows are vastly different mediums. That's also where I stand; book was great, TV show was great.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

It will be harder for the next season to be as good as the book because they'll have to cut some things if they're only doing 10 episodes.

 

[TLH]

It will be harder for the next season to be as good as the book because they'll have to cut some things if they're only doing 10 episodes.

That doesn't automatically mean Season 2 won't be as good as the book. Why do people always assume that changes made during the adaptation process will hurt quality?

Season 1 of Dexter killed off a major character [BLACKOUT]The Ice-Truck Killer, aka his Brother[/BLACKOUT] who actually survives in the book. But that change was actually (a) better received; (b) made more sense; and (c) worked in the context of TV.

Season 2 of GoT might have a cleaner focus and stronger pace by trimming small parts of ACoK. I'm all for that.

 

[Buford The Sly]

It will be harder for the next season to be as good as the book because they'll have to cut some things if they're only doing 10 episodes.

I think Clash has a little bit of bloat that is mainly rehashing GoT. It can be streamlined a bit. There's speculation that the Tully's might be pushed to the end or middle of the season seeing as we don't have any of them cast as of yet. Dany's stuff may be streamlined too. Plus we already saw the first Arya chapter.

 

[mr. peasant]

That doesn't automatically mean Season 2 won't be as good as the book. Why do people always assume that changes made during the adaptation process will hurt quality?

Actually, for that matter, why do the book readers assume that deviating away from the book's plot would be a bad thing? As has been noted numerous times, the subsequent sequels face many challenges - from budgetary, time and even pacing factors. The fact is, the way the story has progressed in the books is not particularly conducive to a TV adaptation (number of characters, time spent with each character, length of book, etc). Meanwhile, as has been shown with shows like Dexter, True Blood, Vampire Diaries, and even ones like Gossip Girl, deviating away from the established story does not necessarily mean a loss in story quality and may even be beneficial to the show; the least of which being having the freedom to write within their means.

 

[TLH]

Actually, for that matter, why do the book readers assume that deviating away from the book's plot would be a bad thing? As has been noted numerous times, the subsequent sequels face many challenges - from budgetary, time and even pacing factors. The fact is, the way the story has progressed in the books is not particularly conducive to a TV adaptation (number of characters, time spent with each character, length of book, etc). Meanwhile, as has been shown with shows like Dexter, True Blood, Vampire Diaries, and even ones like Gossip Girl, deviating away from the established story does not necessarily mean a loss in story quality and may even be beneficial to the show; the least of which being having the freedom to write within their means.

Exactly. The problem is that people often assume that the author's ideas are the best ones. Peter Benchley's ending to Jaws was anti-climatic and weak; the shark dies from a bunch of minor wounds just as it is about to kill Brody. Basically it dies from exhaustion. It just sinks into the ocean to drown. Spielberg and co. ended the movie in a completely different fashion and there's no doubt it's much, much better.

Just because George R.R. Martin had certain minor characters appear or minor events occur doesn't mean they need to be included. And it doesn't mean the show won't be as good as the book because of it; it might just make it better.

 

[squeekness]

Actually, for that matter, why do the book readers assume that deviating away from the book's plot would be a bad thing? As has been noted numerous times, the subsequent sequels face many challenges - from budgetary, time and even pacing factors. The fact is, the way the story has progressed in the books is not particularly conducive to a TV adaptation (number of characters, time spent with each character, length of book, etc). Meanwhile, as has been shown with shows like Dexter, True Blood, Vampire Diaries, and even ones like Gossip Girl, deviating away from the established story does not necessarily mean a loss in story quality and may even be beneficial to the show; the least of which being having the freedom to write within their means.

I agree. Certain changes are not always so bad. Jurassic Park and The Lost World were both way better than the original books.

 

[Rage]

GRRM himself even made changes when he wrote his episode in season one. The books are a guideline... a road map...not the be-all-end-all.

 

[El Bastardo]

Hey, some book fans think all GRRM produces now is ****. So why should the show be any different?

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

I just finished second book, and I've decided I actually prefer the HBO series. Most of the "writing" in the book seem like filler just to keep the story going. I've actually already purchased book 3 and 4, but I don't think i'll get around to reading the the two anytime soon.

There are one or two characters I took a strong liking to from reading, but everything just drags on and is so poorly over detailed. 1/3 of the books seems to detail different characters having a dreams and what they ate. I'm anxious for HBO's second season. As of right now, the two books have left me more than slightly disappointed.