Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 3

[rayc1971]

Because she is not 16 on the show.

if she is not playin 16 on the show isnt it gonna look real creepy when she marries a 13yr and a 8yr down the road?you dont think they should have picked a younger actress than a 30 yr mature woman?

 

[OsGom]

[BLACKOUT]Jon's oath was completed the moment he died. His "death" gives him a clever out imo.[/BLACKOUT]

Robert's rebellion was valid and all things considered the Baratheon's bloodline (they have Targaryen blood in their line) gave them the right of succession. It was no different then how the original Targrayens took power over the kingdoms. According to the laws established by the Targaryens, after Robert's death Stannis would be the next in line.

So much royal lawyerin going on in this thread! It's kind of hilarious for a fictional realm

Tyrion and Bronn = the dynamic duo of GOT

I want a spinoff of just the two of them.

Bronn is a BOSS! [BLACKOUT]In ADOD, after he is given a lordship by marrying Lolly, he basically spits in Cersi's eye when he names his first born Tyrion. That gave me a good laugh![/BLACKOUT] Bronn loves pissing on nobility.

Spoiler

It's not clear that he died. And I would put money on him not being "dead" dead. Listen to what Bran says about the stories Old Nan used tell him about in the third episode this season for a clue about what I think happened to him.

I just about pitched my ipad through a window after [BLACKOUT]Jon's assassination.[/BLACKOUT] GRRM pisses me off so much! Reminds me of when I pitched my copy of ASOS into my pool[BLACKOUT] after reading about The Red Wedding.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Marvolo]

if she is not playin 16 on the show isnt it gonna look real creepy when she marries a 13yr and a 8yr down the road?you dont think they should have picked a younger actress than a 30 yr mature woman?

Don't know much about arranged marriage do you? Age difference doesn't matter. In our own history during medieval times royals married children to full grown adults to strengthen alliances. Besides if they've changed hers and everyone else's age who's to say they won't change the others.

 

[smashmode]

spoilers

Might want to spoiler tag that. Everyone has been aged up.

 

[DACrowe]

if she is not playin 16 on the show isnt it gonna look real creepy when she marries a 13yr and a 8yr down the road?you dont think they should have picked a younger actress than a 30 yr mature woman?

You should really spoiler tag that.

But since [blackout]Joffrey will be playing a 16-17 year old when the actor will really be 21 and the actor who plays Tommen will be at least 16 by the time that rolls around[/blackout] and Natalie can pass for 25, I'd say no more than the book.

 

[DACrowe]

double

 

[DACrowe]

The People don't support Renly really either. In fact, it's not the People that matter at all. They almost don't care who rules. The nobles on the other hand... they are divided. The Southerners are largely concerned with King's Landing and thus support the Lannisters, until you to get to the Vale and the Trident and you've got the Aryns and the Tullys who are allied with the King in the North. Renly doesn't have the strength of Robb as far as I could tell. He's mostly just got Highgarden.

Stannis would have King's Landing if it was acknowledged that all the "Baratheon" children are in fact bastards of incest.

Renly has most of the Southrons. He has the largest army because he has the most support. The only major family supporting the Lannisters is....the Lannisters.

Also, the Vale/Arryns are not supporting Robb. They're staying neutral and out of the war completely. The only Southerners Robb has supporting his claim are the Tullys, Freys and their lords in the Riverlands. And the riverlands are paying dearly for that. Hence, the Vale staying out of it.

 

[Thundercrack85]

So essentially, Westeros has seven Kingdoms. Which are ruled by seven lords?

The North
Lannister-land
Baratheon-land
The Iron Islands
I guess the Vale counts.
And... what else?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

So essentially, Westeros has seven Kingdoms. Which are ruled by seven lords?

The North
Lannister-land
Baratheon-land
The Iron Islands
I guess the Vale counts.
And... what else?

The territories of Westeros are:
The North (Stark)
The Riverlands (Tully)
The Iron Islands (Greyjoy)
The Vale of Arryn (Arryn)
The Westerlands (Lannister)
The Crownlands (Targaryen, now Baratheon)
The Stormlands (Baratheon)
The Reach (Tyrell)
Dorne (Martell)

The "Seven Kingdoms" refers to the original kingdoms before the Targaryen conquest. They are:
The King in the North (North)
The King of the Iron Islands (Iron Islands and Riverlands)
The King of the Mountain and Vale (Vale)
The King of the Rock (Westerlands)
The King of the Reach (The Reach)
Storm King (Stormlands)
The Price of Dorne (Dorne, still use this title)

 

[DACrowe]

They're ruled by many lords. But there are certain families with more poewr than most in each area.

The North: Winterfell/Starks
The Westerlands: Casterly Rock/Lannisters
The Riverlands: Riverrun/Tullys
The Vale: The Eyrie/Arryns
Stormlands: Storm's End/Baratheons
Dorne: Sunspear/Martells
The Reach: Highgarden/Tyrells

Hope that helps.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Okay, that makes sense. So, Robb's mother is from the Riverlands, but who rules them? Her father or siblings? I don't recall seeing any of her family, besides her crazy sister, but she's Arryn's consort in the Vale.

Dorne was mentioned, though I don't recall seeing any Martells yet.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Okay, that makes sense. So, Robb's mother is from the Riverlands, but who rules them? Her father or siblings? I don't recall seeing any of her family, besides her crazy sister, but she's Arryn's consort in the Vale.

Dorne was mentioned, though I don't recall seeing any Martells yet.

Cat's father, Hoster Tully, is the overlord of the Riverlands. He's barely mentioned in the show, in the book he's pretty much on his deathbed the entire time. She has a younger brother, Edmure.


You won't see Martells until season 4. One worth noting though is Elia Martell, the wife of Rhaegar Targaryen and sister to Prince Doran Martell (current overlord). The Mountain raped and killed her when King's Landing was sacked during Robert's Rebellion. The Martells don't really get along well with any of the other regions. While the rest of Westeros is descended from the Andals and the First Men, the Dornish are descended from the Rhoynar. They also follow equal primogeniture instead of male primogeniture. Their lord uses the title Prince/Princess, they never submitted to the Targaryens like the other kingdoms, instead did so through marriage.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Thanks for the clarification. Hard to believe Robert Baratheon could hold it together as long as he did. Or Jon Arryn was Mary Poppins.

 

[Buford The Sly]

Thanks.
Another question, do we know why she gives birth to them and their purpose and what does Stannis feel about it ?

Spoiler

Are asking why they have to be "birthed" or why she is "casting" this spell? Stannis, I believe, sees Melisandre as a means to an end. He knows she has some sort of power but chooses not to delve too deep into what she does.

 

[DACrowe]

Okay, that makes sense. So, Robb's mother is from the Riverlands, but who rules them? Her father or siblings? I don't recall seeing any of her family, besides her crazy sister, but she's Arryn's consort in the Vale.

Dorne was mentioned, though I don't recall seeing any Martells yet.

Her father rules them in name, but he is ailing and sick. Her younger brother is the heir apparent. They both have relatively large roles in ACOK as Robb's main camp isn't in a field, but at Riverrun. They were obviously cut for budget in time. I imagine we'll see her brother at least in Season 3, as Edmure Tully is crucial to the third book.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Well, a mention at least. Or just a scene showing some Tully forces.

So, did the Targeryens also have a province / former kingdom, or did they just rule the whole realm?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

They originated from a city across the Narrow Sea called Valyria and were one of the noble houses of the Valyrian Freehold. It was an empier which controlled most of the continent of Essos (where Dany is right now) and several islands in the Narrow Sea, one of them being Dragonstone. However, there was a cataclysmic event called the Doom of Valyria that destroyed the city and caused the empire to collapse (seems to be something like a volcano eruption). The surviving Targaryens fled to Dragonstone. 100 years later, Aegon and his sister-wives, Visenya and Rhaenys, began the conquest of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros.

During the Targaryen reign, the Crownlands were their de facto province with Dragonstone being its capital.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I see. I did wonder why we don't see more of them. Their followers, that is.

This series would really benefit from some more establishing shots. Help show the geography more. But then they do have a tight budget.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

You mean Targaryen loyalists? There are some but they have to keep it under cover because Robert hated them.

Here are some good maps
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m28exq4UaP1qeyi6zo1_1280.jpg
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/gallery/5c1e48cbb3611b1c9518f4b33a11b7b5.jpg
http://astrogator87.deviantart.com/#/d4rsnbf

 

[Thundercrack85]

So Daenerys is Marco Polo.

 

[Marvolo]

Reading the books Danys movements across the east reminded me of the way Alexander the Great moved across Persia and India going from tribe to town and taking cities while putting in place new leaders in each town. Quarth in the show reminds me of Babylon for sure so I'm hoping they stick to the book in that regard.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Dany is no Alexander the Great. She is arguably the worst conqueror/ruler I can remember.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Dany is no Alexander the Great. She is arguably the worst conqueror/ruler I can remember.

This must happen much, much later in the books.

Speaking of her, how big are those dragons going to get anyway?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This must happen much, much later in the books.

Speaking of her, how big are those dragons going to get anyway?

ASOS and ADWD are not good for Dany's cred. Not only is her story boring and drawn out, she comes off as the dumbest of the POV characters that matter.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Really? I loved Dany's chapters. Her last chapter in ASOS was amazing.

GRRM is clearly going for an Alexander feel, but with a slightly inept girl who grows into a pretty good leader.