Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 4

[Kane52630]

A great episode, but I dislike how some things happened (or didn't happen) without being shown. Like, how did Stannis escape King's Landing and get back to Dragonstone? Sansa obviously didn't go with the Hound, but there's no resolution there whatsoever. Did the Hound leave? No repurcussions? And Bronn is no longer commander of the city watch? Just happens off screen? Would have liked to have seen it actually happen. Needed some Bronn tbh..

That's what I was wondering too, It almost felt like there was another episode missing where it ties all of that together. Oh well, the later half of that episode was amazing.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They were pulling Stannis away at the end of Blackwater. It doesn't take that much to figure out that they got him back to one of his ships.

I also thought it was pretty clear that Sandor was gone. We would have seen him otherwise.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Targaryens have dreams. Most of which are simply that, dreams. As a general rule, unless they were wargs, what they see is bullcrap. That is kind of the point of the Targaryens. They think they are more special then they actually are and they have died for it. I believe there have been some Targaryens with warg abilities, but like everyone else, they have been few and far between. They do not see the future, the past nor are they able to "transport themselves" as a rule.

Dany believing she has vision is just another way of saying she is the next Mad Queen. I believe any legit vision she has had has been told to her or induced by others like we saw with HotU.

I'm not saying they're greenseer's or even warg's aside from Bryden, but the ambiguous prophetic dreams have enough precedence in the family tree for it to be a valid explanation for the show runners to use going forward if need be.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not saying they're greenseer's or even warg's aside from Bryden, but the ambiguous prophetic dreams have enough precedence in the family tree for it to be a valid explanation for the show runners to use going forward if need be.

And I am saying that any such prophetic dream was sheer dumb luck. Like the person who has bad dream about something bad happening on their way to work and they hit a nail on the road and gets a flat. No you can't see the future.

 

[Roose Bolton]

If you want to get cynical about it then yeah, but during the Hedge Knight it was fairly clear that Daeron's dream was accurate, symbolic, but accurate. Likewise if half the theories about Rhaegar are correct, as well as Brynden's own proven powers, it just too coincidental to be nothing.

 

[Stringer]

When Ygritte saw Jon win the fight you could tell her panties were immediately like SPLOOSH!

 

[Longshot777]

I can't believe we have to wait till next year to see season 3 of this great show!!!

So I guess if you die Beyond the North Wall, you will come back to life as a zombie.

 

[Jordacar]

I'm hoping Dany goes to the House of the Undying, gets the peyote-induced info, kills everyone with magic, and puts Qarth in her rearview like a boss.

I wonder if there's any chance of a prequel movie, kinda like BSG did with "Razor" or "The Plan". Not that the show really needs it, but it'd be cool to see some of the backstory that everyone's always taking about, the Mad King being nutso, and of course Rhaegar and Robert's final showdown. GRRM could write it himself.

Called it.

 

[DACrowe]

I am kind of sad that the actor playing Jacquen will not be returning when/if the character does. I love that character and the actor makes him.

I agree he was great in the role. So much so that I hope when the Faceless Men come back into the story (and I don't think it's a spoiler to say they at some point do) they part from the books and bring back that particular face and character. They brought back fan favorite Drogo for HOTU instead of Rhaegar (who most non-book readers have already forgotten), so I could definitely see them doing that. And I hope they do in the future.

 

[DACrowe]

I also want to give special credit to the Brienne and Jaime scene. I love their rapport and they play off each other so well.

"He's the Kingslayer."
"I guess I didn't need that pig."

"Stay."

Great stuff between these two characters.

 

[TLH]

They were pulling Stannis away at the end of Blackwater. It doesn't take that much to figure out that they got him back to one of his ships.

I also thought it was pretty clear that Sandor was gone. We would have seen him otherwise.

I can buy into the Stannis thing, it's just a nitpick.

As for the Sandor thing, I really thought he would have at least been mentioned by Joffrey as a deserter or something. Not to mention it wasn't clear at the end of Blackwater whether or not Sansa would go with him, it actually seemed like she was going to, then suddenly in the next episode she didn't. I would have preferred to have seen her motivation for staying. Wouldn't have taken more than half a minute.

Still, nitpicks in a great episode (especially the last half) and an amazing second season.

 

[ChickenScratch]

What's with people calling the episode anticlimactic? The climax of a story comes close to the end, but is not the end itself. There's usually a couple chapters more, an epilogue, or something of the sort. Just like the battle last week was the climax and this episode series the same purpose as the chapters after such an event. Setting up the characters for the next one. The climax was the previous episode, this one served its purpose well.

 

[Matt]

That is how a book works. In television, the climax is the finale. Once again, you fail to understand that there are different story telling methods for the two mediums.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I agree, though it doesn't have to be absolute, Matt. I was fine with the Blackwater being more of the climax episode,and the season finale being more of the epilogue.

I don't think anyone expected this episode to top Blackwater or even try. I feel as though most people sensed this would just be the epilogue compared to Blackwater, as they're tying up some lose threads, but not fully.

I will admit that TLH's problems with the episode are Valid. How did Stannis get out of there? What happened to Bronn? With Hound, I just assumed he did escape and leave. But they're only small problems to me.

 

[chamber-music]

The actress who plays Catelyn Stark was Hermione's mum in Harry Potter and Nathan's mum from Misfits.

 

[ChickenScratch]

That is how a book works. In television, the climax is the finale. Once again, you fail to understand that there are different story telling methods for the two mediums.

And once again you need to mind your manners Matter. Really, how hostile can you get about this thing.

It's been stated how many times by the producers, GRRM himself, everyone involved that this is a series unlike any other before.

Accepted TV form storytelling was tossed out the window from they said GOT was being made.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And once again you need to mind your manners Matter. Really, how hostile can you get about this thing.

It's been stated how many times by the producers, GRRM himself, everyone involved that this is a series unlike any other before.

Accepted TV form storytelling was tossed out the window from the said GOT.

Agreed x10000.

This show is definitely unlike any other show before. It breaks many conventions of traditional tv storytelling even by HBO standards, and yet it has people hooked with it's ratings increasing.

 

[Matt]

I agree, though it doesn't have to be absolute, Matt. I was fine with the Blackwater being more of the climax episode,and the season finale being more of the epilogue.

I don't think anyone expected this episode to top Blackwater or even try. I feel as though most people sensed this would just be the epilogue compared to Blackwater, as they're tying up some lose threads, but not fully.

I will admit that TLH's problems with the episode are Valid. How did Stannis get out of there? What happened to Bronn? With Hound, I just assumed he did escape and leave. But they're only small problems to me.

I don't mind an epilogue, but the problem is in the story structure. People point out that from a story perspective no one in Westeros cares about what is going on beyond the wall or across the sea with Dany....but neither does the audience. These are disconnected stories. Like I said, every non-book fan critic whose review I've read consistently criticizes these as the weakest elements with no real connection to the viewer or story.

If the epilogue were more of the characters that I care about, I'd be cool with it. The writers need to do a better job of endearing certain characters and plots to their viewers if they are as important as the book fans act.

And once again you need to mind your manners Matter. Really, how hostile can you get about this thing.


It's been stated how many times by the producers, GRRM himself, everyone involved that this is a series unlike any other before.


Accepted TV form storytelling was tossed out the window from the said GOT.

Oh Chicken Scratch, That is just self aggrandizing ego *******.

 

[Matt]

Agreed x10000.

This show is definitely unlike any other show before. It breaks many conventions of traditional tv storytelling even by HBO standards, and yet it has people hooked with it's ratings increasing.

I don't. It isn't like this is revolutionizing television. Not in the way that The Sopranos, Lost or 24 (the defining dramatic shows of the past decade) did. If anything, this is just taking elements of eaqch show and combining them. It isn't changing the rules in the way that those shows did.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I don't mind an epilogue, but the problem is in the story structure. People point out that from a story perspective no one in Westeros cares about what is going on beyond the wall or across the sea with Dany....but neither does the audience. These are disconnected stories. Like I said, every non-book fan critic whose review I've read consistently criticizes these as the weakest elements with no real connection to the viewer or story.

If the epilogue were more of the characters that I care about, I'd be cool with it. The writers need to do a better job of endearing certain characters and plots to their viewers if they are as important as the book fans act.

All of these elements will come together. I haven't read any of the books, and yet I know that these elements will come together. People know that those elements will come into play. I'm curious to see what critics have been criticizing the series for that because I've been reading otherwise.

 

[squeekness]

What's with people calling the episode anticlimactic? The climax of a story comes close to the end, but is not the end itself. There's usually a couple chapters more, an epilogue, or something of the sort. Just like the battle last week was the climax and this episode series the same purpose as the chapters after such an event. Setting up the characters for the next one. The climax was the previous episode, this one served its purpose well.

I think some of the trouble comes from the fact that the books themselves had no real endings. This really is just one huge story that goes on and on and gets broken up only when Martin had too many pages done and had to stop here and there. I never felt there were any exact conclusions even at the end of book five. It just kinda stopped, you know?

 

[ChickenScratch]

Self aggrandizing? Yes Matt. These guys are involved in this unique peice of work but you wish to drag it down the the pedestrian level of some weekly serial because it's not something you are used to/like/appreciate/understand (you never quite shared why).

You mention it's just taking elements of Sopranos, Lost and 24. Well, show the examples. Even though it was for the most part written before these shows and had no TV show endgame.

It's not your grandfather's TV show, if you want it to be more conventional then Matlock is on all the time.

 

[Matt]

All of these elements will come together. I haven't read any of the books, and yet I know that these elements will come together. People know that those elements will come into play. I'm curious to see what critics have been criticizing the series for that because I've been reading otherwise.

Critics praise the show. They criticize those elements. Many have been quite harsh regarding Dany's actress as well.

And even knowing that they will come into play, that doesn't make them endeared to the audience.

Imagine a finale of 24 or Lost finale where the only payoff was seeing the success or peril of a random support character that doesn't really play into the story at all.

 

[Matt]

Self aggrandizing? Yes Matt. These guys are involved in this unique peice of work but you wish to drag it down the the pedestrian level of some weekly serial because it's not something you are used to/like/appreciate/understand (you never quite shared why).

You mention it's just taking elements of Sopranos, Lost and 24. Well, show the examples. Even though it was for the most part written before these shows and had no TV show endgame.

It's not your grandfather's TV show, if you want it to be more conventional then Matlock is on all the time.

Noooo, this isn't self aggrandizing ego stroking nonsense at all Chicken Scratch. "HOW DARE YOU COMPARE THIS GREATNESS TO SOME LOWLY SERIAL YOU UNEDUCATED PHILISTINE!"