Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 4

[Sith Scotti]

Given the maturity (or lack thereof) of modern teens/20 something's it does indeed seem ridiculous. However back in the feudal period of which GoT is loosely based on, you were forced to "man up" much earlier in life given that your life expectancy was about 30 on average in most cases.

Yes but back than you were on your death bed by 30 .... Sometimes its best not to be historically accurate

 

[Pink Ranger]

Lol, everytime I hear Jorah speak, I keep expecting him to say, "in this week's Deadliest Warrior ..."

 

[DACrowe]

Holy **** I don't like Dany's story. She's whiny, nothing of consequence actually happens. Nobody cares Dany.....Nobody cares.

The sad thing is I think it's an improvement over the books. I'm at least mildly interested in the build-up to the House of the Undying being scary, the fact someone stole her dragons and that Xaros is using Dany to make his powerplay to take over Qarth. It raises the stakes a lot more dramatically. But yeah, ACOK's was not Dany's book. I do think her storyline will be really good next year if they can adapt it well on a budget. I doubt they're going to spend Blackwater money on an episode again any time soon. At least, not until season 4, in any case.

 

[MarvelKnight]

Excited for the season finale.

 

[Matt]

Once again, this is the thread for the TV series, not the books. We have a whole thread for that in the music and books forum. Please go there to discuss the books. From now on, only discuss the TV series in this thread.

 

[DACrowe]

Saying Dany's storyline is less whiny and annoying in the show this year than the book is off-topic?

Methinks that you're overplaying your disdain for book talk, Matt.

 

[Matt]

No, I deleted posts that gave away very specific spoilers about Tyrion's future and thus I reposted the warning. It has nothing to do with disdain but rather posters complaining about talk getting too spoiler heavy (which is fair considering we have a thread for the books) but thanks for being condescending.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

One thing I really hope they do next year is that more episodes follow the episode structure of episodes like Blackwater, The Kingsroad, A Golden Crown and The Wolf and the Lion. Episodes where the story and action doesn't bounce around all that much.

With more and more characters showing up, we will need that consistency of the narrative within an episode itself.

 

[Matt]

I agree. I felt Blackwater flowed a lot better than the typical episodes. It feels too disjointed when we go from Tyrion to Jon, to Danerys to Stannis to Theon to Rob and so on but only get maybe ten minutes with each per episode with all the stories feeling disconnected from another. I'd much rather see them restructure the narrative to give more focus to a couple characters whose stories are interwove per episode rather than tell several stories in one episode.

 

[DACrowe]

No, I deleted posts that gave away very specific spoilers about Tyrion's future and thus I reposted the warning. It has nothing to do with disdain but rather posters complaining about talk getting too spoiler heavy (which is fair considering we have a thread for the books) but thanks for being condescending.

No problem.

BTW did you ever watch Blackwater? I think it may be one that you would enjoy.

 

[TheBat812]

There have only been a few times where the multiple storylines have been an issue, but otherwise, I think they do a pretty fantastic job of making them work together, many times having various storylines intertwine from different perspectives. I almost have the opposite argument, it would be annoying to have to wait more episodes to see the characters one person might care for over the others. This last episode made sense because it was such a huge sequence they wouldn't have been able to do it justice otherwise. I wouldn't mind if they did this every once and awhile (2 times a season, maybe), but I really enjoy the multiple storylines.

 

[Matt]

No problem.

BTW did you ever watch Blackwater? I think it may be one that you would enjoy.

I actually did. Great development for both Sansa and Cersei (we learn a lot about the latter and her motivations IMO). My one complaint is I do not feel like they sufficiently explained why Sansa did not go with the Hound. I personally felt like it was because she realized that she can be a symbol of inspiration and hope to others in her position (as she was when she was praying with the other girls and speaking to them). But someone else suggested to me it was simply because she fears the Hound. Either is plausible, IMO.

Tyrion leading his charge was awesome. He has in a weird way become the most honorable character on the show. But yeah, it was easily the best episode of the show's run.

There have only been a few times where the multiple storylines have been an issue, but otherwise, I think they do a pretty fantastic job of making them work together, many times having various storylines intertwine from different perspectives. I almost have the opposite argument, it would be annoying to have to wait more episodes to see the characters one person might care for over the others. This last episode made sense because it was such a huge sequence they wouldn't have been able to do it justice otherwise. I wouldn't mind if they did this every once and awhile (2 times a season, maybe), but I really enjoy the multiple storylines.

I disagree. I think it is a huge issue. Any time I start to invest in a story line or care for a character, I am pulled away. It makes it very hard to bond with characters like Jon and Dany who are already so far removed from everything else.

 

[Marvolo]

I loved when Tyrion chopped that one dudes leg off at the knee. Lol it was such a funny and badass moment.

 

[TheBat812]

I actually did. Great development for both Sansa and Cersei (we learn a lot about the latter and her motivations IMO). My one complaint is I do not feel like they sufficiently explained why Sansa did not go with the Hound. I personally felt like it was because she realized that she can be a symbol of inspiration and hope to others in her position (as she was when she was praying with the other girls and speaking to them). But someone else suggested to me it was simply because she fears the Hound. Either is plausible, IMO.

Tyrion leading his charge was awesome. He has in a weird way become the most honorable character on the show. But yeah, it was easily the best episode of the show's run.



I disagree. I think it is a huge issue. Any time I start to invest in a story line or care for a character, I am pulled away. It makes it very hard to bond with characters like Jon and Dany who are already so far removed from everything else.

Doesn't help that those are also the weakest stories and performances. Couldn't care less about Jon Snow at this point and Dany is an stupid, entitled, whiny *****. The only reason I care at all about either is the dragons and the fact that Snow must become important at some point otherwise there's no point in his storyline. Everyone is awesome.

Personally, this episode was a top 5 episode, but not the best. The end is a bit weak and ends abruptly. I have loved every moment with Tywin EXCEPT that last shot. Very rushed conclusion to the episode, which imo they didn't pull off spectacularly. It worked, but it didn't leave me feeling satisfied.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No point to Jon Snow? Have you forgotten about that Winter is Coming, about the Others?

 

[TheBat812]

No point to Jon Snow? Have you forgotten about that Winter is Coming, about the Others?

That's exactly what I was saying. If I didn't know he was going to be important, than I wouldn't care at all. But based solely off the performance and what's going on in his storyline, he's probably the least interesting character in the entire show right now.

 

[Matt Mortem]

See, Jon Snow's bit really interests me because I know he has ties with the bulk of the other main characters in some way. Dany is in a goddamn desert wasteland and as a character she's pretty two dimensional. I have a feeling Jon's story is about to pick up some speed, Dany's seems to just stagnate.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's exactly what I was saying. If I didn't know he was going to be important, than I wouldn't care at all. But based solely off the performance and what's going on in his storyline, he's probably the least interesting character in the entire show right now.

I think Kit has been great and I have found the storyline to be really intriguing. It stalled a little at the beginning of this season, but it has otherwise been great. Once his girl with the hair showed up, it really got good. t:

 

[DACrowe]

I actually did. Great development for both Sansa and Cersei (we learn a lot about the latter and her motivations IMO). My one complaint is I do not feel like they sufficiently explained why Sansa did not go with the Hound. I personally felt like it was because she realized that she can be a symbol of inspiration and hope to others in her position (as she was when she was praying with the other girls and speaking to them). But someone else suggested to me it was simply because she fears the Hound. Either is plausible, IMO.

Fair enough. In the book (just go with me on this for a second ), she both is afraid the Hound could rape/kill her (the scene is much more intense in the book with him demanding she sing for him and leaning over her on her bed while she cries/sings that little nursery song you heard the beginning of in this episode when she calmed the women in the holdfast).

In the show, they decided to understandably keep away from the idea of him raping her. So, I assume the reason was that she thought Stannis would win the battle and she could outlast Cersei/Ser Illyn if she stayed out of sight until Stannis took the Red Keep. She even says, "Stannis will not hurt me." She'd rather be used as a more reasonable bargaining chip between Robb and Stannis than take her chances of leaving the keep in middle of a battle/looting riot with a drunkard killer. Little did she realize that Tywin/Loras would show up to dash that and leave her in the hands of Joffrey and Cersei.

Tyrion leading his charge was awesome. He has in a weird way become the most honorable character on the show. But yeah, it was easily the best episode of the show's run.

Agree with all of that. Though one other character I think will surpass Tyrion in being honorable in a few seasons after the table is cleared a little more.

 

[DACrowe]

Doesn't help that those are also the weakest stories and performances. Couldn't care less about Jon Snow at this point and Dany is an stupid, entitled, whiny *****. The only reason I care at all about either is the dragons and the fact that Snow must become important at some point otherwise there's no point in his storyline. Everyone is awesome.

Well I personally think his story picked up as soon as he met Ygritte. Even if you disagree with that, trust me when I say his story will become one of the highlights of Season 3 and the highlight of Season 4. That's all I will say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tyrion more honorable then Stannis, Davos or Robb, really?

 

[Valaquen]

Some are complaining, maybe rightly, about Jon and Dany's arcs this season. Unfortunately, in the book they don't have a great deal to do that wold translate as riveting on a TV show. The writers have tried in regards to Dany, but next season, if done right, should make up for it. I remember loving every damn page of book 3, whereas I was skipping pages in Clash. I'm sure we'll all be very satisfied.

 

[craigdbfan]

Jon Snow is still one of my favorites. I look forward to his scenes to be honest.

 

[DACrowe]

Tyrion more honorable then Stannis, Davos or Robb, really?

Certainly moreso than Stannis. You have a point with Robb and Davos, but Tyrion gets more done because he is much more cleverer (and entertaining) than those two.

Maybe he and Stannis are about even. Both can be hugely hypocritical when they want to be.

 

[mr. peasant]

There have only been a few times where the multiple storylines have been an issue, but otherwise, I think they do a pretty fantastic job of making them work together, many times having various storylines intertwine from different perspectives. I almost have the opposite argument, it would be annoying to have to wait more episodes to see the characters one person might care for over the others. This last episode made sense because it was such a huge sequence they wouldn't have been able to do it justice otherwise. I wouldn't mind if they did this every once and awhile (2 times a season, maybe), but I really enjoy the multiple storylines.

The key word there, of course, is intertwine. When their storylines build towards one another, it works since we spend more time on said storyline; just on different aspects or through different perspectives. It's when you get disparate characters such as Arya, Jon and Daenerys who have nothing to do with each other's storylines when it becomes harder to get into their respective storylines when you only spend 5-10 minutes with them.

Makes me wonder if the DVD/Bluray will have a feature to let you just watch the scenes from one character at a time.

I loved when Tyrion chopped that one dudes leg off at the knee. Lol it was such a funny and badass moment.

I'm guessing that guy wished he'd gotten an arrow in the knee instead.





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Yeah, I know it's a tired, old joke. t: