Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

You're missing the entire point of the show. There is no legitimate or illegitimate claim to the throne. The only way anyone gets it is through force.

Which means Dany is delusional.

And the entire point of the show is that the game is pointless. What matters is coming for them all, and all this game is doing is dividing the people, making them ripe for the White Walkers. That is why I love Jon. He isn't playing a game, he is just trying to make sure there is a Westeros still standing after Winter has passed.

The only reason King Robert got the throne was by over throwing the targareans in a rebellion. Just like there is a rebellion right now. Dany's claim to the throne is just as strong as stannis. What's the quote? "in the game of thrones you either win or die".

There are just rebellions and there are unjust rebellions. When your king is willing to burn people just because he can, you got to feel just.

And the point of that quote is that no one who fights for the throne wins. They all end up dead. You can't win the game of thrones.

Dany feels she deserves the throne by blood right just like stannis does and just like i'm sure stannis does she feels she would be the best ruler for westeros. That doesn't make her any more selfish or ruthless than he is. If dany was indeed to become a just ruler you could very well argue the means justify the ends.

And that is the stuff I am talking about. We can justify mass murder because it is Dany. Pretty, shiny haired Dany. Fire and blood is cute because it is Dany.

Stannis is the only one capable of actually ruling. Well, him or Tywin. Dany can barely handle herself.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Shireen Baratheon:

Missendei & Grey Worm:

Shireen is adorable, and they actually did the greyscale.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Alright it's obvious you've made it very clear you have a great amount of dislike for her character.

Ill just say my last point about ends justifying the means has nothing to do particularly with dany and would apply to anyone who would indeed rule justly. Dany is still a young girl finding herself it hasn't been set in stone yet whether she'd be a horrible ruler or a great one, we should still wait and see before we judge. If anything with the way stannis has let that witch take control of himself i'd say he's already out of the running for "just ruler".

GoT is an analogy for the world and it's history which has been violent and dark and often unjust and that's how we all got here.

If you're looking for characters with purely noble causes you're out of luck with this show.

 

[Roose Bolton]

An eagle-eyed member of the Westeros site also pointed out quick shot of her hugging Stannis in one of the promos as well.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Alright it's obvious you've made it very clear you have a great amount of dislike for her character.

Ill just say my last point about ends justifying the means has nothing to do particularly with dany and would apply to anyone who would indeed rule justly. Dany is still a young girl finding herself it hasn't been set in stone yet whether she'd be a horrible ruler or a great one, we should still wait and see before we judge. If anything with the way stannis has let that witch take control of himself i'd say he's already out of the running for "just ruler".

GoT is an analogy for the world and it's history which has been violent and dark and often unjust and that's how we all got here.

If you're looking for characters with purely noble causes you're out of luck with this show.

Jon Snow in the house.

Completely up for debate whether Stannis is being "controlled". He will do his duty. Great or small, he will do his duty.

An eagle-eyed member of the Westeros site also pointed out quick shot of her hugging Stannis in one of the promos as well.

I can't believe I am fanboying about this, but I am. Love exploring all the sides of Stannis, and Shireen is a big part of that.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Yeah me too, oddly enough. He's really one of my favorite characters in the series.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah me too, oddly enough. He's really one of my favorite characters in the series.

I almost forgot how much I like TV Stannis until I watched season 2 in the build up for season 3. The contrast between him and Joffrey at Blackwater is so well done.

Do you remember what trailer she is suppose to be in?

 

[Roose Bolton]

I'll have a look, I think there's a blurry screen cap around somewhere.

 

[Lord]

Meh, prefered his brother Renly. Stannis's trusts that witch too much and has basically abandoned everybody else.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Loved the new episode, set the rest of the season up perfectly and gave us some good teasers as well, the giants, dragons growing, and the return of Barristan Selmy at the end was just awesome.

Love, Love, Love this show.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Is this the image of Stannis hogging Shireen that you guys are talking about? I thought he was holding a mop or something:

Dammit, image has been removed

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Can you be less cryptic ?

Sorry, man. I was just messing about. I just wanted to reference the Greyjoys since I hate them the most so far.

 

[Infinity9999x]

So, for people who have read the books, how do you feel about how they're portraying Shae? She seems to be markedly different from her book counterpart in terms of her personality, and I'm wondering how that will effect a certain large event later on down this series. Namely [BLACKOUT]her betrayal of Tryion.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[The Navigator]

Yeah me too, oddly enough. He's really one of my favorite characters in the series.

I almost forgot how much I like TV Stannis until I watched season 2 in the build up for season 3. The contrast between him and Joffrey at Blackwater is so well done.

Stannis is awesome.

Do you remember what trailer she is suppose to be in?

Not sure what trailer this is from, but here you go--

Meh, prefered his brother Renly. Stannis's trusts that witch too much and has basically abandoned everybody else.

Renly was a treasonous, preening idiot that did nothing but slowly party his way to King's Landing. Stannis might be prickly and uncharismatic, but at least he had a sense of urgency to depose that little **** Joffrey.

So, for people who have read the books, how do you feel about how they're portraying Shae? She seems to be markedly different from her book counterpart in terms of her personality, and I'm wondering how that will effect a certain large event later on down this series.

Fine, so far. She wasn't really anything in the books that I recall, so her actually having a personality in the show is all right. I did like that moment in s2 where Tyrion makes her swear that she loves him and she just spits it out very dispassionately. More moments like that would be nice.

 

[squeekness]

So, for people who have read the books, how do you feel about how they're portraying Shae? She seems to be markedly different from her book counterpart in terms of her personality, and I'm wondering how that will effect a certain large event later on down this series. Namely [BLACKOUT]her betrayal of Tryion.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I have a feeling Tywin is actually going to just outright kill Shae instead of her betraying Tyrion and sleeping with dear old dad. Guess it spares Tyrion from having to do the deed himself like he did in the book.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Spoiler

I have a feeling Tywin is actually going to just outright kill Shae instead of her betraying Tyrion and sleeping with dear old dad. Guess it spares Tyrion from having to do the deed himself like he did in the book.

Spoiler

That's what I was assuming. Shae in the series is basically the completely opposite (personality wise) of the Shae in the books. She seems to actually care for Tyrion, and Sansa. And it just wouldn't make sense to me that she would betray Tyrion. I actually like the change, given that I never understood why Tyrion in the books fell for Shae. It made him seem like a bit of an idiot to be honest, which wasn't in character for him at all.

 

[Victarion]

I haven't read past the first book yet, so this is a wild guess,

Spoiler

but I think Shae and the other girl she was talking with in the first Episode will betray Sansa, Littlefinger, or both of them.

 

[HankTheTurtle]

Spoiler

That's what I was assuming. Shae in the series is basically the completely opposite (personality wise) of the Shae in the books. She seems to actually care for Tyrion, and Sansa. And it just wouldn't make sense to me that she would betray Tyrion. I actually like the change, given that I never understood why Tyrion in the books fell for Shae. It made him seem like a bit of an idiot to be honest, which wasn't in character for him at all.

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I watched the first two seasons before I read the books, so I think Shae's character in the show influenced how I read the character in the books. I could see them having Tywin force Shae to testify against Tyrion, and then she disappears. Tyrion then wouldn't know if she were alive or dead. She would effectively replace Tryrion's original "wife" in the books, as in the show the story is mentioned, but hasn't been addressed much since. That way they would be able to keep the whole "Wherever ****es go" bit, and have the audience have some actual connection with the character Tywin is calling a ****e when Tyrion kills him.

 

[The Navigator]

Spoiler

I watched the first two seasons before I read the books, so I think Shae's character in the show influenced how I read the character in the books. I could see them having Tywin force Shae to testify against Tyrion, and then she disappears. Tyrion then wouldn't know if she were alive or dead. She would effectively replace Tryrion's original "wife" in the books, as in the show the story is mentioned, but hasn't been addressed much since. That way they would be able to keep the whole "Wherever ****es go" bit, and have the audience have some actual connection with the character Tywin is calling a ****e when Tyrion kills him.

I like that idea. [blackout]It also has the added benefit of giving Tyrion something to do after season 4, since in ADWD he's just drifting for about 1000 pages with no point or purpose.[/blackout]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Some have asked us quite nicely to stop discussing book spoilers. Is it really that hard?

 

[Lord]

Renly was a treasonous, preening idiot that did nothing but slowly party his way to King's Landing. Stannis might be prickly and uncharismatic, but at least he had a sense of urgency to depose that little **** Joffrey.

Treasonous how? Apart from possibly the Starks he was the only king that actually cared for his people, he didn't kill people just because a witch tells him to and had a fair judgement of character. If anything Stannis's the treacherou one, he resolted to black magic in order to send some shadow to stab his brother in the back.

 

[lime]

Any idea if the [BLACKOUT]Red Wedding[/BLACKOUT] is in this season?

 

[RoboAmish]

Any idea if the [BLACKOUT]Red Wedding[/BLACKOUT] is in this season?

[BLACKOUT]Episode 9[/BLACKOUT]

 

[The Navigator]

Treasonous how? Apart from possibly the Starks he was the only king that actually cared for his people, he didn't kill people just because a witch tells him to and had a fair judgement of character. If anything Stannis's the treacherou one, he resolted to black magic in order to send some shadow to stab his brother in the back.

Treasonous in the sense that he decided to just declare himself king rather than support the rightful king. The reason this even started was because Ned discovered that the Lannisters had an illegitimate heir to the throne, and despite Renly's comments, it was about the line of succession. But Renly just decides, "hey, my time to shine," abandons Ned rather than support him (sure, Ned didn't agree with his plan, but Renly could have at least taken the Lannisters captive and figured out the whole "who's the rightful king" bit later), rallies up a decent majority of westerosi bannermen, and does nothing with them. Leaving the smallfolk, and Cat's daughters at the mercy of the Lannisters while he inches his way south as Robb Stark (who, keep in mind, has no interest in the iron throne) is engaging the Lannister forces as best as he can to essentially rescue two people.

And as far as Stannis resorting to Melisandre's witchcraft to assassinate Renly, the man said it himself, "Cleaner ways don't win wars." He confronted Renly first, laid out his terms, gave him ample opportunity to fall in line, and when he didn't, Stannis used the only means he had available to him to try and secure what was his by birthright. If he'd had the numbers to take Renly in the field, I believe he would have ("Blackwater" shows he has no objections to taking to battle personally), but he's also no going to sit back and let Renly take what is his, just because Renly is well-liked.