Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 9

[Bruce Malone]

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

From what i've heard they actually toned down cat's reaction to Robb's death? Apparently she starts ripping strips of flesh off her face? I'm actually glad they left that part off.

 

[Mjölnir]

I too cannot think about sex anymore without thinking about George R.R. Martin.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, necessarily ...

That line could lead to one of the funniest author-fan meetings ever. t:

 

[Pink Ranger]

That line could lead to one of the funniest author-fan meetings ever. t:

From what I can tell from avid ASOFAI fans, it wouldn't even rank in the top 10 strangest things George has heard.

 

[antsman41]

People who complain about violence in GOT (media in general) should also complain about everything in the history of man. Because, it's a fact humans have probably have already done something beyond worse of what you think is 'explicit/gruesome/etc' about GOT.

 

[THANOSRULES]

From what i've heard they actually toned down cat's reaction to Robb's death? Apparently she starts ripping strips of flesh off her face? I'm actually glad they left that part off.

Yes..this is a good point.

People who complain about violence in GOT (media in general) should also complain about everything in the history of man. Because, it's a fact humans have probably have already done something beyond worse of what you think is 'explicit/gruesome/etc' about GOT.

Yes but there seems to be quite a lot of it here depicted in Westeros. I'm not prude about depictions of sex or violence...but there is a bit of an overload factor. To me the factor becomes "did the written text accomplish a feeling of horror (or whatever) without the vision or added scenes to beef up what was already strong?"...and does it then become an issue?.

The strength of Game of Thrones was never the sex or violence...it is the narrative,characters and also (in the TV series) the brilliant acting. I worry that , more and more, some of the crowd just shows up for the gore...and will HBO throw more at us to appease this crowd at a loss to the narrative?..I see signs this may become an issue.

 

[Victarion]

Try seeing it from this perspective, THANOSRULES: Westeros is in a state of upheaval. People will use that as an excuse for their debachery: murder, looting, rape etc. I find it more satisfying when the heroes look evil in the eye, rather than skirting it and simply telling the audience that whoever/whatever is evil and must be stopped. The depravity and violence that, hopefully, will be overcome in future seasons, makes victory all the sweeter.

 

[THANOSRULES]

Try seeing it from this perspective, THANOSRULES: Westeros is in a state of upheaval. People will use that as an excuse for their debachery: murder, looting, rape etc. I find it more satisfying when the heroes look evil in the eye, rather than skirting it and simply telling the audience that whoever/whatever is evil and must be stopped. The depravity and violence that, hopefully, will be overcome in future seasons, makes victory all the sweeter.

Well i certainly agree the violence and brutality is thus a needed device to further the narrative...but does the show need to add new stuff and up the ante from even the book?

 

[Victarion]

Certainly, so long as it isn't done for the sake of being gruesome. In the case of Ros, I became more fearful of Littlefinger. Previously I simply considered him an opportunistic schemer and trickster. As for the RW, the womb stabbing was brutal. At the same time, it ensured that Robb wouldn't have any offspring that could reignite revolution later on.

A perfect example of something that didn't really go anywhere is the reveal about Varys old master. Horrific when you think about what the man went though (the master), but I don't see what it is building to.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The only thing that annoyed me about any of the mentioned scenes, and it's a minor thing, is that I found the women in the castration scene to be too at ease when Ramsay walked in. Like if they were forced into it and genuinely afraid of him then it would have felt truer to the character.

But again, only a nitpick really.

 

[TheSpartanX54]

From what i've heard they actually toned down cat's reaction to Robb's death? Apparently she starts ripping strips of flesh off her face? I'm actually glad they left that part off.

Also In the book the guy who cuts her throat grabs her hair and she says, "No not my hair, Ned loves my hair!". Heartbreaking stuff.

 

[Sawyer]

Also In the book the guy who cuts her throat grabs her hair and she says, "No not my hair, Ned loves my hair!". Heartbreaking stuff.

I feel bad for laughing at that...

I mean, I haven't gotten to that point in the books, so it'll probably fit better in context, but just seeing the line there like that...

 

[TheSpartanX54]

I feel bad for laughing at that...

I mean, I haven't gotten to that point in the books, so it'll probably fit better in context, but just seeing the line there like that...

Yes it does sound kinda weird. I'm very glad they removed that in the TV show. As well as her shredding her face. Showing Catelyn in a catatonic state is more powerful than that.

 

[chaseter]

Why have they added so much violence and gross imagery in this series from an already violent book. Was this necc.

Three quick examples I can think of

- Red Wedding "womb stabbing"
- Theon Castration much more ironed out and elaborated (I dont recall this in the books)
- Ros character getting skewered
- There are a few others that are escaping me.

There seems to be a lot of very graphic violent parts added that are not even needed to expand on the source works's already clear violence and themes. I'm not a fan of it.

Any thoughts?

My thoughts are more along the lines of why you watch the show? You should have turned it off after the first beheading...so like ep. 1.

 

[rayc1971]

is it possible coldhands is bengen stark?

 

[Roose Bolton]

Ask it in the book thread and I'll give you your answer.

 

[DACrowe]

Yes..this is a good point.



Yes but there seems to be quite a lot of it here depicted in Westeros. I'm not prude about depictions of sex or violence...but there is a bit of an overload factor. To me the factor becomes "did the written text accomplish a feeling of horror (or whatever) without the vision or added scenes to beef up what was already strong?"...and does it then become an issue?.

The strength of Game of Thrones was never the sex or violence...it is the narrative,characters and also (in the TV series) the brilliant acting. I worry that , more and more, some of the crowd just shows up for the gore...and will HBO throw more at us to appease this crowd at a loss to the narrative?..I see signs this may become an issue.

Not really. They choose to hint at things that are implied in the book for maximum reaction like Theon's castration, but they also do that with revealing that Renly and Loras are explicitly gay or that Margaery is just as scheming as Olenna.

Simultaneously they do choose to cut things when they think Martin goes too far. You complain about the Red Wedding, but as I recall they showed neither Cat mutilating her face or her body being stripped naked and thrown into the river. Those both would have been far more graphic than what we got in the battle. In the same vein, they chose not to have Tyrion's nose totally cut off like in the book.

It is the give and take for adaptation.

As for Talisa's womb stabbing, the point you really seem to be harking back on, I would argue it was done as a character moment. In the books, Jeyne Westerling is just a dangling plot thread that is left hanging by Martin. Probably indefinitely. Beyond wrapping up that plot thread by killing her off, it maximizes the loss for Robb Stark (and thus we the audience) of not only knowing that he dies, but that his hope for the future with a Stark heir in Winterfell seemingly die. In short, it makes the scene sadder and maximizes the punch while also surprising book readers who felt cocky in knowing how it'd play out.

I actually think it was a wise addition to the show.

 

[Mjölnir]

As for Talisa's womb stabbing, the point you really seem to be harking back on, I would argue it was done as a character moment. In the books, Jeyne Westerling is just a dangling plot thread that is left hanging by Martin. Probably indefinitely. Beyond wrapping up that plot thread by killing her off, it maximizes the loss for Robb Stark (and thus we the audience) of not only knowing that he dies, but that his hope for the future with a Stark heir in Winterfell seemingly die. In short, it makes the scene sadder and maximizes the punch while also surprising book readers who felt cocky in knowing how it'd play out.

I actually think it was a wise addition to the show.

I was going to post this but seeing how you already did I can just say that you accurately touch on all relevant points on the murder of Talisa.

The only downside is that now we have it all but confirmed that Jeyne won't be important in the books.

 

[chamber-music]

BBC Northern Ireland says production starts back up in July for the next season.

People who complain about violence in GOT (media in general) should also complain about everything in the history of man. Because, it's a fact humans have probably have already done something beyond worse of what you think is 'explicit/gruesome/etc' about GOT.

Plus Game Of Thrones is inspired by real history. The Wars of The Roses was a big inspiration for Martin for example.

Considering there was public executions (hangings, beheadings, tar and feathering, ect) in the past its kind of funny people say modern society is more violent.

You were lucky if you didn't see you people drop dead with the bubonic plague, syphilis or gout and the amount of disease around from the lack of public sanitation was insane.

DJ Hodor drops the beat!

 

[Drizzle]

Also In the book the guy who cuts her throat grabs her hair and she says, "No not my hair, Ned loves my hair!". Heartbreaking stuff.

Does she say it or did she just think it, since the chapter was her POV?

 

[Pink Ranger]

DJ Hodor drops the beat!

Maybe I am too deep into this show, but I always get weirded out whenever I see any of the actors do some modern stuff in photos (except Emilia Clarke, who looks substantially different in real life).

 

[chamber-music]

I get weirded out when Iwan Rheon (Ramsay Snow) talks Welsh

[YT]TdDYMBG1g3k[/YT]

 

[TheSpartanX54]

Does she say it or did she just think it, since the chapter was her POV?

She thinks that. My bad.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I get weirded out when Iwan Rheon (Ramsay Snow) talks Welsh

[YT]TdDYMBG1g3k[/YT]

I take it that's not Dothraki they're speaking then?

 

[chamber-music]

I take it that's not Dothraki they're speaking then?

Dothraki is easier on the ears

 

[Dr. Manhatten]

Question: Is Littlefinger still in Kings Landing as of the finale? I don't remember if he appeared at Tyrion's wedding or not and remember a scene in the middle of the season where Sansa was watching a ship go away but thought it was Ser Loras she was crying for.