Hans Zimmer Scoring The Man of Steel - Part 2

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I've no doubt its popular, as are almost all Zimmer scores. At the risk of being misunderstood, though, I'll note that Justin Bieber's music is popular but many would hesitate to call it "something special." I'm not saying Zimmer is like Bieber (I'll head those straw men off at the pass) but I am saying popularity doesn't necessarily translate to quality in any direct logical fashion.

Of course it doesn't. The point is that people who are not predisposed to Zimmer are already finding this score memorable and jumping to praise it the second they walk out of the theater. It's standing out enough that non-fans have taken notice. You're free to dismiss that if you like; I'm just presenting the general reaction at face-value.
 
Honestly, I showed the third trailer where we hear the "theme" to my cousin, she's a big movie fan, but she's not into scores or anything, first thing she tells me (after the usual "it looks amazing) is "the music sounds great". So yeah. I think it definitely grabs the attention.
 
I'm sure the score will have "emotional juice." Zimmer's scores often do. The problem for me is that the emotions in the score aren't usually focused on honed or used strategically - they are just flooded in en masse. I can't remember who it was, but one Zimmer fan described his music as "I'm just feeling a lot at once!" Emotional surges can feel powerful but they also feel generic (I know many of you hate that word as a descriptor but I don't know what other word to use) in that they can be applied to heroic scenes, sad scenes, triumphant scenes, action scenes, etc. There's little emotional specificity to them. Instead sound effects are often substituted for motif specificity (wing flaps for Batman, razors on strings for the Joker, dissonant foghorns for the many different dreams in Inception, etc.).

RC scores can be fun to listen to. I listen to them myself on occasion. But they are usually background music for me, not forefront soundtracks that I pay close attention to, and its because there's no real line of thought to follow in most of the tracks - its just an emotional tsunami.
 
It's all just a matter of taste and what one wants from a film score I suppose. I understand where you're coming from ThePhantasm. I wouldn't want Zimmer to score every film, and RC scores can become a bit monotonous but I do enjoy his approach from time to time, particularly for this genre.

As Zimmer once said about his Batman scores, he just aimed to invite the audience to feel something and engage emotionally. He doesn't want to necessarily want to always be telling the audience what to feel. I guess I enjoy that emotional tsunami effect because this genre has such a large and broad emotional canvas and a lot of the times in this genre you want to be feeling a lot of things at once. At least I do.

That said, I personally get a very "Superman" specific feeling from the trailer music.
 
I don't feel anything else BUT Superman in my veins when listening to this score.
 
I don't feel anything else BUT Superman in my veins when listening to this score.

I know right! Whenever I listen to "Ideal of Hope" I feel like I'm flying with Superman. Overall I think it's just as good as John Williams'(although I do praise it for transcending Reeves' character).
 
I've listened to the samples more times than I can count. I will reserve final judgement until I hear the whole score or until I experience the film, but I maintain that it hasn't stood out as anything special. I'm glad some of you are enjoying it and that it moves you emotionally (I'm a musician myself so I can appreciate that). But this soundtrack is not my cup of tea.
 
I have a question: Where did the name, "An Ideal for Hope" for the trailer music come from? Because if I can remember the Soundcloud song from trailer just said Man of Steel Trailer 3 Music or something like that?

Just curious because the actual track for the trailer music is "What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?" and was confirmed by WaterTower Music Facebook page:

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I have a question: Where did the name, "An Ideal for Hope" for the trailer music come from? Because if I can remember the Soundcloud song from trailer just said Man of Steel Trailer 3 Music or something like that?

Just curious because the actual track for the trailer music is "What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?" and was confirmed by WaterTower Music Facebook page:

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That is the actual name of the song. Not sure where the other name came from.
 
That is the actual name of the song. Not sure where the other name came from.

Which one is the actual name? WaterTower said the trailer music comes from track 17 which is called "What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?" I am just curious where the name "An Ideal for Hope" came from.
 
Which one is the actual name? WaterTower said the trailer music comes from track 17 which is called "What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?" I am just curious where the name "An Ideal for Hope" came from.

"What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World?" is the only name I know. Maybe "An Ideal of Hope" came from someone calling it that on youtube.
 
Someone called it that in one of their trailer audio rips and it stuck. Side note, in my opinion that name ("An Ideal Of Hope") is silly as hell. Something a fan would think sounds legit.

Who's excited for that Headphone:X mix of the score?
 
Okay, I'll admit...I came up with that name when I first ripped the trailer audio. Sounds stupid I know, but interesting how this stuck :)
 
Who's excited for that Headphone:X mix of the score?

I think I am. Is it something I can listen to properly on the pair of earphones that came with my phone? (i.e kinda crappy.) In the future I would love to shell out for some decent headohones
 
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I'm sure the score will have "emotional juice." Zimmer's scores often do. The problem for me is that the emotions in the score aren't usually focused on honed or used strategically - they are just flooded in en masse. I can't remember who it was, but one Zimmer fan described his music as "I'm just feeling a lot at once!" Emotional surges can feel powerful but they also feel generic (I know many of you hate that word as a descriptor but I don't know what other word to use) in that they can be applied to heroic scenes, sad scenes, triumphant scenes, action scenes, etc. There's little emotional specificity to them. Instead sound effects are often substituted for motif specificity (wing flaps for Batman, razors on strings for the Joker, dissonant foghorns for the many different dreams in Inception, etc.).

RC scores can be fun to listen to. I listen to them myself on occasion. But they are usually background music for me, not forefront soundtracks that I pay close attention to, and its because there's no real line of thought to follow in most of the tracks - its just an emotional tsunami.

I've been trying to put this into words for myself for some time, but I think you've nailed it for me. "Emotional Tsunami". :woot: lol

Also, to those of you begrudging those of us for not liking a lot of Zimmer's more recent work or similar-sounding music, it's not because we're doing it because it's the popular thing to do. We actually do have legitimate reasons for why we're not big fans of it, kind of like what ThePhantasm listed in his post.

In my opinion, I do think his sound has been kind of overproduced, to the point where I have gotten kind of tiring to hear whenever I hear something like it. Nowadays, scores like that place a lot of emphasis on rhythm (tempo or a succession of beats), like Zimmer and a lot of his students, instead of melody (basically, a varying series of notes to create a tune), like a lot of old composers such as James Horner, Jerry Goldsmith, Alex Silvestri and John Williams. While I don't mind the former, I tend to gravitate towards scores with more of the latter, as those tend to get more of an emotional response from me and resonate more with me.

As I've said before, I don't hate Hans Zimmer. I love tons of his scores, especially the ones which place much emphasis on melody. Though, I think he's gotten to point where he's kind of stuck just doing scores with just rhythm, because that's what has become popular nowadays. I would like to see him breakaway from that and do scores with more melody in them, like he used to.

However, I will wait for the film to come out to give a fair opinion of what I think of the score. I'm not totally writing it off.
 
I think I am. Is it something I can listen to properly on the pair of earphones that came with my phone? (i.e kinda crappy.) In the future I would love to shell out for some decent headohones
Allegedly, yes. I guess that's the whole point, to offer a specially-mixed version that recreates (or rather mimics) the score via surround sound, just through any regular headphones. The positive write-ups from a recent demo session have me really excited.
 
Okay, I'll admit...I came up with that name when I first ripped the trailer audio. Sounds stupid I know, but interesting how this stuck :)

Ahh cool. Wasn't trying to say it was bad or anything. Was just curious where it came from. :)
 
Who's excited for that Headphone:X mix of the score?

I am still trying to figure out what that is though I haven't looked to much into it. I thought it was a brand of headphones made by DTS and not that you can use any headphones. Also the headphones were able to replicate what it sounds like in the studio environment. Like the sound is actually surrounding you. Anyways I could be wrong, but sounds interesting and I plan to look in to it more.
 
I am still trying to figure out what that is though I haven't looked to much into it. I thought it was a brand of headphones made by DTS and not that you can use any headphones. Also the headphones were able to replicate what it sounds like in the studio environment. Like the sound is actually surrounding you. Anyways I could be wrong, but sounds interesting and I plan to look in to it more.

It's basically like an app you download on your phone for the soundtrack (to be released, I guess, on June 11th) and if you downloaded the deluxe edition you get to listen to all of those songs on there with the DTS system. Im not completely sure of the technicalities of it and exactly how it works, but I do know that it is an app you download on your phone. You don't need additional headphones.

EDIT: I found the source of the information. http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/s...on_Hans_Zimmers_Man_of_Steel_Soundtrack/11905
 
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It's basically like an app you download on your phone for the soundtrack (to be released, I guess, on June 11th) and if you downloaded the deluxe edition you get to listen to all of those songs on there with the DTS system. Im not completely sure of the technicalities of it and exactly how it works, but I do know that it is an app you download on your phone. You don't need additional headphones.

EDIT: I found the source of the information.http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/DTS_HeadphoneX_Debuts_on_Hans_Zimmers_Man_of_Steel_Soundtrack/119

Wrong link? Anyways it sounds interesting. I know you said it is an app. Is it a mobile app and will it work with the Deluxe version of the iTunes download for the Man of Steel album or would you have to buy the physical copy?
 
Maybe the reason that this soundtrack hasn't leaked yet, is because of the Headphone:X thing? They want people to hear it for the first time with this new sound format. I know that's a weird assumption, as they have released some tracks to the public, but it could be a reason.
 
I'm glad to hear the trailer 3 music is a complete cue on the score - and that the trailer music was in fact a cut down of the real thing. That's even better.
 
There's a track very very early on in the film, where some guy yells in the start of the theme, it was so horrendous...I burst out laughing before the film started.

That was not a good sign of a good score at all.

Also, there is alot of awesome yelling in this track! :)
 
Wrong link? Anyways it sounds interesting. I know you said it is an app. Is it a mobile app and will it work with the Deluxe version of the iTunes download for the Man of Steel album or would you have to buy the physical copy?

I am horrible at these links. I don't know why it won't show up. Google "Man of steel dts" and it should be the first link! It is a mobile app, and Im definitely sure about the physical copy and Im assuming its the same with the digital copy but I'm not completely sure.
 
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