BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[matt47]

I thought the ending of Man of Steel showed us that was the end of his arc of becoming Superman.

 

[Tony Gunk]

I thought the ending of Man of Steel showed us that was the end of his arc of becoming Superman.

I think we all did

 

[Flint Marko]

I thought the ending of Man of Steel showed us that was the end of his arc of becoming Superman.

It supposedly was, at the time.
Gotta love the "you didn't understand teh movie" comments.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I think we all did

Yeah but It's pretty clear Snyder and Co. didn't expect the backlash of the destruction of Metropolis. So they built the sequel around that fallout (among other things) but got blasted for that as well which I think is somewhat hypocritical of critics of MoS.

One could argue Snyder basically said "okay, fine, I'll address the thousands of deaths at the end MoS by creating a realistic reaction to it which can't help but to result in a serious/grim tone and then maybe people will be happy that I didn't ignore it."

Wrong.

 

[Greeneyes]

Well this thread is now another one that is not enjoyable to read or be in due to the 'usual few' of baiters, haters and repeat negative types. Why the mods don't ask for them to tone it down a bit is incredible.

There is disliking something and saying so, that's fine, but what goes on with some is far more than that and should be looked at. It is too much and they get enjoyment out of the baiting.

Both sides should have a say, but come on, common sense shows what some are doing here.

The site is almost unbearable at times. Anyone else feel the same?

 

[Tobias]

This is the clip I mean. Superman formally meeting the JL for the first time. Cavill nails it right here as how I'd like to see it go down.

 

[Rapunzel]

This is the clip I mean. Superman formally meeting the JL for the first time. Cavill nails it right here as how I'd like to see it go down.

Yeah.....no. That's not Supes. That's more like Booster Gold or Plastic Man.

 

[javonstokess]

I'm still trying to figure out what character arc you guys are talking about Clark pretty much starts MoS and ends BvS the same person.

What lessons has he learned? What growth has taken place?

 

[Rapunzel]

I'm still trying to figure out what character arc you guys are talking about Clark pretty much starts MoS and ends BvS the same person.

What lessons has he learned? What growth has taken place?

Well, in MoS, it's pretty clear he learns how to trust humanity.

As for BvS, I think he trusts humanity but is frustrated by his inability to gain their trust. And I suspect one thing he learns is that being human is his greatest asset. That it's his humanity that will sway folks, not his powers.

 

[C. Lee]

Well this thread is now another one that is not enjoyable to read or be in due to the 'usual few' of baiters, haters and repeat negative types. Why the mods don't ask for them to tone it down a bit is incredible.

I've been gone for a few days....I'm back now and trying to get a handle on what has been going on.

 

[C. Lee]

Now.....this is the Henry Cavill is Superman thread.

That means it is for the discussing of Henry Cavill's performance as Superman.

I don't care if you loved or hated his performance...you will post respectfully and civilly while discussing it with people who do not share your opinion.

 

[javonstokess]

Don't get me wrong, I think Cavill would be an awesome Superman if they actually gave him something to do that was more than look depressed or punching something.

It's like they are trying to get as far away from Christopher Reeves performance as possible.

 

[DigificWriter]

Don't get me wrong, I think Cavill would be an awesome Superman if they actually gave him something to do that was more than look depressed or punching something.

They did; It's not their fault if you don't see what they were trying to do.

 

[Rapunzel]

I'm hoping the Ultimate Cut gives us a glimpse or two of Supes before the Africa incident. I think that might be very helpful for fleshing out the story.

 

[C. Lee]

A reminder to people....if you want to discuss what possible future Superman movies should be like...then go to the sequels forum and discuss them. This thread is not for that.

 

[javonstokess]

Why was my post deleted?

I wasn't disrespect or uncivil, I just didn't like the version of Superman presented in the movie.

 

[Greeneyes]

I've been gone for a few days....I'm back now and trying to get a handle on what has been going on.

Hi C. Lee, glad you are back, it was starting to get a little lawless round here.

 

[The Guard]

I think it's pretty much a given at this point that fans and audiences, including critics, don't think Cavill's Superman had enough personality that made him seem like Superman. It boils down to he wasn't warm enough. Snyder's Superman shoots for "stoic", which is what modern Superman is a lot of the time, but people wanted to see his other side, and wanted to see Cavill do that.

And I think that's what people care about. Not whether the related themes and character conflicts were handled right.

 

[Rapunzel]

But Guard, who are these "people?". Everyone I know outside the Internet is absolute fine with and in many cases love Cavill and his Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's fine if you think that, these are only opinions after all, but it's worth pointing out how comfortably in the minority you are on that one.

Say it is a minority the only scope you have is the minority that's here. In any case if it us a minority so what? It doesn't make anyone's opinion more valid than the other because ove supposedly aligns more with a majority.

 

[Flint Marko]

A minority according to whom? Overly cynical fanboys and critics whose opinions and jobs I reject as having any validity?

Do you understand how narrow-minded and arrogant that sounds?

Say it is a minority the only scope you have is the minority that's here. In any case if it us a minority so what? It doesn't make anyone's opinion more valid than the other because ove supposedly aligns more with a majority.

When did I say anyone's opinion wasn't valid? That's a claim only Digific has made
However if 20 people tell me to avoid a restaurant because they disliked it while 2 tell me they enjoyed it, I'm probably going somewhere else to eat.

 

[Tobias]

I think it's pretty much a given at this point that fans and audiences, including critics, don't think Cavill's Superman had enough personality that made him seem like Superman. It boils down to he wasn't warm enough. Snyder's Superman shoots for "stoic", which is what modern Superman is a lot of the time, but people wanted to see his other side, and wanted to see Cavill do that.

ITA that's what most people care about. Not whether the related themes and character conflicts were handled right.

It's how Superman is portrayed. There are deep themes in BvS, but I wonder how many Saturday afternoon movie-goers get that. They are going for an afternoon of enjoyment and not to write a paper for school analyzing the film.

Superman has been mostly stoic in the new 52. But DC is doing a Rebirth of their line and Superman it seems is being walked back from the more stoic character of the New 52. Written now by of all people Jurgens - what goes around comes around and any business has to cater to what pleases their clientele in the end.

I disagree on this being Cavill's Superman. This is Snyder's and secondarily WB's Superman. At this moment in time.

Cavill keeps saying this is not the Superman we all know and love yet.

 

[The Guard]

But Guard, who are these "people?". Everyone I know outside the Internet is absolute fine with and in many cases love Cavill and his Superman.

I guess the vocal ones. The critics, many of the fans. I think almost everyone would like to see a bit more charisma and "joy" from Superman.

 

[Rapunzel]

When did I say anyone's opinion wasn't valid? That's a claim only Digific has made
However if 20 people tell me to avoid a restaurant because they disliked it while 2 tell me they enjoyed it, I'm probably going somewhere else to eat.

So you think that for every 20 people who liked BvS, only 2 liked it? No offense, but that's an absurd exaggeration. This film is nowhere near that disliked by audiences. Critics, maybe- but not the GA.

 

[The Guard]

Cavill keeps saying this is not the Superman we all know and love yet.

And people have interpreted this as Cavill understanding Superman better than Snyder, etc, but I think this is Cavill pointing out should have been apparent from MAN OF STEEL.

This version of Superman is slowly moving and evolving toward Superman as we know him. Dealing with a lot of the conflicts and knocks against the character (He's too strong, he's too perfect, he's too cheesy, etc) in a very serious manner before presenting Superman in all his glory. We can debate all day long whether that was the right approach, but its obvious that this has been done very intentionally.