Henry Cavill IS Superman: - Part 4

[Timstuff]

I'm not a hardcore spidey fan, just a casual fan only. That said, I gotta say that as of now I prefer the look of the Raimi suit over the new one.

I am probably a bit biased seeing as I founded Raimi's Army, however I feel that the new suit looks way too busy and overproduced. It does not look like something a teenager could have designed, let alone sew. At least in Raimi's trilogy, Peter made the real suit while he had a job and was in college-- it's even possible that he even had it custom made by someone else, and simply paid for it with money from his job. In Amazing Spider-Man he's just a teenage high school student, and there is no way he would have designed that suit. Also, Garfield's proportions are kind of strange to me. He's got a really long neck and limbs with an egg-shaped head-- he looks like the Brandon Routh to Tobey Maguire's Henry Cavill, at least as far as proportions are concerned.

In fact, you know who Andy Garfield reminds me of in those new pictures?

 

[JAK®]

Andrew Garfield looks far more like Peter Parker than Maguire did.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I am probably a bit biased seeing as I founded Raimi's Army, however I feel that the new suit looks way too busy and overproduced. It does not look like something a teenager could have designed, let alone sew. At least in Raimi's trilogy, Peter made the real suit while he had a job and was in college-- it's even possible that he even had it custom made by someone else, and simply paid for it with money from his job. In Amazing Spider-Man he's just a teenage high school student, and there is no way he would have designed that suit. Also, Garfield's proportions are kind of strange to me. He's got a really long neck and limbs with an egg-shaped head-- he looks like the Brandon Routh to Tobey Maguire's Henry Cavill, at least as far as proportions are concerned.

In the novel the wrestler that was carried out on a stretcher had Pete's suit made because he was grateful to him for beating Bonesaw, I think. In USM it had the same sorta scenario, Peter just added the spider and webbing. Probably the exact same thing happens in ASM.

 

[merced]

He is already accepted even before the first shot of him as Supes is seen.

That so far is a big difference. Routh was controversial from the start. Folks loved him or hated him in the role.

Cavill has been more generally accepted so far. For lots of reasons IMO.

Ironically Cavill was at the top of the list to play Supes in 2004 before Singer came on board and basically chucked all that had come before. In hindsight perhaps not such a good decision.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I am probably a bit biased seeing as I founded Raimi's Army, however I feel that the new suit looks way too busy and overproduced. It does not look like something a teenager could have designed, let alone sew. At least in Raimi's trilogy, Peter made the real suit while he had a job and was in college-- it's even possible that he even had it custom made by someone else, and simply paid for it with money from his job. In Amazing Spider-Man he's just a teenage high school student, and there is no way he would have designed that suit. Also, Garfield's proportions are kind of strange to me. He's got a really long neck and limbs with an egg-shaped head-- he looks like the Brandon Routh to Tobey Maguire's Henry Cavill, at least as far as proportions are concerned.

In fact, you know who Andy Garfield reminds me of in those new pictures?

To be honest neither costume looks like a teenager made them, but this is the movies, we can suspend our disbelief because no one wants it to look like a cheap halloween/underoos type of outfit. Btw I like them both.

 

[Michael Corleone]

I would think they would have at least two back up designed suits just in case the one they go with doesn't work out or is not well received.

Seriously doubt it. They could make small changes to the existing suit but any large change or complete redesign would require pre production work that they simply don't have the time. They don't build multiple designs and have backups. They will do several full versions but once they settle on a suit they have to start making multiple copies for the film. I'm not saying they can't do that at all. They just won't have the time to change the design drastically. This isn't like say the Wonder Woman costume changes...the requirements for filming a feature length picture are much more stringent.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Also, Garfield's proportions are kind of strange to me. He's got a really long neck and limbs with an egg-shaped head-- he looks like the Brandon Routh to Tobey Maguire's Henry Cavill, at least as far as proportions are concerned.

you realize that most artists who have exaggerated styles depict Spider-Man as a lanky guy with an egg-shaped head, right? he's hardly ever depicted as big guy. imo, Spider-Man should be kinda like Bruce Lee...skinny, but toned.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

They've already said that TDKR and Man of Steel will not have a presence
at comic con. Unless you're talking about just a picture being released that could come at any time and doesn't have to be at comic con. They might show a picture at the con but I have no idea when it might be shown. There is no reason to think that it will be Friday though.

Legendary will be there at least on the 22nd and 23rd, and they are showing/discussing stuff from their upcoming releases, and supposedly MOS is one of those releases. Will they show the costume, or some sketches of it's development? Who knows, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

 

[Timstuff]

you realize that most artists who have exaggerated styles depict Spider-Man as a lanky guy with an egg-shaped head, right? he's hardly ever depicted as big guy. imo, Spider-Man should be kinda like Bruce Lee...skinny, but toned.

Spider-man shouldn't be bulky, but that's not the same as being skinny. Andy Garfield looks skinny, not lean. Tobey Maguire looked lean. When I look at the most classic illustrations of Spider-Man, the impression I get is that he is someone who is very athletic and agile, not that he is a shrimpy guy who looks awkward in tights. Peter is not physically large but that does not mean that his musculature is downplayed.

It was not really until Ultimate Spider-Man came along that there was any significant push by Marvel's artists to depict Spider-Man as being skinny with a huge noggin.

Ultimate Spidey looks the way he does because Marvel wanted to play up the fact that in Ultimate Spider-Man, Peter Parker is just a kid. Making him skinnier with more child-like proportions helped differentiate the Ultimate version from his more adult looking 616 counterpart, who is in his latter 20s and has been Spider-Man for quite some time. Not that the Ultimate version really works in Garfield's favor that much, since he is a tall, lanky 30 year old rather than a short and scrappy looking teenager, so the only thing he really has going for him is the big egg-shaped head-- assuming that the end goal is to look like the Ultimate version.

 

[JAK®]

Spider-man shouldn't be bulky, but that's not the same as being skinny. Andy Garfield looks skinny, not lean. Tobey Maguire looked lean. When I look at the most classic illustrations of Spider-Man, the impression I get is that he is someone who is very athletic and agile, not that he is a shrimpy guy who looks awkward in tights. Peter is not physically large but that does not mean that his musculature is downplayed.

Well, first of all, using comic illustrations doesn't really prove your point because everybody is incredibly muscular in comics. Despite the fact that Spider-Man is drawn like an amateur bodybuilder, in comics that translates as 'skinny' when compared to most superheroes who give Ronnie Coleman a run for his money. Just look at Jim Lee's Superman;

Look at those forearms. Those alone are probably bigger than Henry Cavill's bicep.

It was not really until Ultimate Spider-Man came along that there was any significant push by Marvel's artists to depict Spider-Man as being skinny with a huge noggin.

Or, say, Steve Ditko's depiction of him in Amazing Fantasy 15;

Ultimate Spidey looks the way he does because Marvel wanted to play up the fact that in Ultimate Spider-Man, Peter Parker is just a kid.

Which is exactly what Spider-Man was back in 1962. People forget that Spider-Man was created as a teenage superhero.

Making him skinnier with more child-like proportions helped differentiate the Ultimate version from his more adult looking 616 counterpart, who is in his latter 20s and has been Spider-Man for quite some time.

The thing is, Garfield is playing a Spider-Man that is still in high school, due to ASM being an origin story. So why should he be built like a Spider-Man in his latter 20's?

I know that Steve Ditko eventually bulked up his Spider-Man, because unlike today, Stan Lee actually wrote his characters as developing human beings who aged and experienced changes in their life. He was 15/16 in AF 15 and 20 by 1966. Spidey simply filled out to look more like a gymnast. Now he's stuck in a perpetual state of 'not quite 30' and they have to keep him young by making deals with the devil to wipe out his marriage, but I digress...

Not that the Ultimate version really works in Garfield's favor that much, since he is a tall, lanky 30 year old rather than a short and scrappy looking teenager, so the only thing he really has going for him is the big egg-shaped head-- assuming that the end goal is to look like the Ultimate version.

Garfield may be 30 years old in real life, but he looks much younger, which is why his breakout role was as a college student in The Social Network. He is perfectly convincing as a teenager from the images of ASM that I have seen, and he looks far more like the Ditko version of Spider-Man than Maguire ever did.

As for being tall, Garfield may have been listed on some sites as 6'0 but on CelebHeights he is barely 5'11, which is tall-ish but not far off of Spidey's given height of 5'10.

He's less taller than Spidey than Cavill is shorter than Superman, in any case.

 

[sf2]

I personally want to wait to see Cavill in the suit to compare him to Routh in the suit, that is the only way to confirm who looks more "Supermanish", although that is still always going to be a matter of opinion, technically speaking.

strange enough, routh doesn't look supermanish to me in a lot of scene in SR (while he is in the superman suit). but he looks very supermanish to me in his normal cloth (not in SR)

cavil looks supermanish to me in a few of the fan manips.

 

[GreenKToo]

Seriously doubt it. They could make small changes to the existing suit but any large change or complete redesign would require pre production work that they simply don't have the time. They don't build multiple designs and have backups. They will do several full versions but once they settle on a suit they have to start making multiple copies for the film. I'm not saying they can't do that at all. They just won't have the time to change the design drastically. This isn't like say the Wonder Woman costume changes...the requirements for filming a feature length picture are much more stringent.

Not up to me of course, but I would of had three or four concepts drawn up and ''leaked'' out to all the different film websites.
No, you wouldnt be able to tell for sure about which was the best, but you would at least know if folks kinda liked or hated them.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

strange enough, routh doesn't look supermanish to me in a lot of scene in SR (while he is in the superman suit). but he looks very supermanish to me in his normal cloth (not in SR)

A lot of that probably had to do with the poor suit design. And colors. Routh would've looked better if Singer had had some fashion sense.

 

[KalMart]

It still astonishes me just how right they got the design for Spiderman from the outset. I just love the bold simplicity of it, the stealth/streamlined tactical look of it, and at the same time how it really compliments acrobatic and flexible movements/positions. Superman too, but I think it had to evolve to the classic S we've come to know.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I will say this, if Spidey ends up having better suit colors than Superman, I will be pissed. The red and blue on Spidey is pretty much perfect.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I will say this, if Spidey ends up having better suit colors than Superman, I will be pissed. The red and blue on Spidey is pretty much perfect.

Nice avatar.

 

[DaJanksta]

I will say this, if Spidey ends up having better suit colors than Superman, I will be pissed. The red and blue on Spidey is pretty much perfect.

I agree with this guy

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

I agree with this guy

I agree, thiose those colours are really nice.

 

[Timstuff]

I just hope Superman's new suit doesn't look like he made it out of basketballs borrowed from the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

[Cav-El]

I like the idea of texture to the classic suit, but I hope they don't redesign.

 

[Karelia]

I'm open to any design of the suit as long as it looks like Superman & looks good on screen. I don't think theirs anything to worry about since Snyder is directing this, though. I love his style.

 

[daywalker2007]

stick to classic

and check out this insane cgi superman flight test.

I cannot believe this CGI was done by someone without a hollywood budget.

It wipes the floor with anything in Superman returns, and makes a mockery of the view that they couldn't put the s shield on the cape.

Snyder better look at this cgi if he insists on using a cgi superman for some scenes.

astonishing

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[GoblinWhirlwind]

Damn, that's awesome. I'm expecting some great flight scenes from Snyder.

 

[Showtime]

Legendary will be there at least on the 22nd and 23rd, and they are showing/discussing stuff from their upcoming releases, and supposedly MOS is one of those releases. Will they show the costume, or some sketches of it's development? Who knows, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

I don't remember reading or hearing anything that suggested Legendary would be discussing or showing off anything from Superman.

Do you have a link?

 

[Showtime]

That so far is a big difference. Routh was controversial from the start. Folks loved him or hated him in the role.

Cavill has been more generally accepted so far. For lots of reasons IMO.

Ironically Cavill was at the top of the list to play Supes in 2004 before Singer came on board and basically chucked all that had come before. In hindsight perhaps not such a good decision.

You're rewriting history, he wasn't controversial from the start, when he was cast there was no issue. It was later on with the shots of the suit and plotline where here became a target.