The Dark Knight How did Joker leave the...

[Doc Samson]

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[Doc Samson]

This was my only other gripe, besides Harvey's whole arc being in this film (Two-face deserves his own) and it wasnt the fact that they didnt show how the Joker left, its the fact that Batman didnt know if the Joker had, in fact, left or not. While he was busy giving bedroom eyes to Rachel, the Joker could've tossed a couple more people out the window if he wanted to. Actually, it seemed like he wasnt taking the Joker too seriously til Rachel died. I mean, this is the same guy who's been pulling heists and homicides since the end of Batman Begins, what the hell was Bruce doing the whole time?

 

[warren_sparta27]

*Edit: Im not just nitpicking about things, I know in my heart it was a masterpiece, but at the same time, even as a filmmaker, the cuts left more plotholes than any film I've ever seen in my life.

What are the other plot holes in the film?

 

[riskproductions]

What are the other plot holes in the film?

-How Gordon faked his death
-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral
-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room
-Whatever happened to Lau
-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE
-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub
-How Harvey escapes hospital
-Why Harvey shoots driver
-How did Harvey escape flipped car, what happens to Maroni
-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod
-How was Joker somehow burning firetrucks, loading thousands of places with barrels of explosives
-Why didnt ferry people realize they were sitting on explosives


Ok now listen. I REALIZE all these elements AREN'T NECESSARY to be in the film, and I also realize many things were cut to save time. All I am saying with these gripes are "Man it would've been nice to see these parts" rather than "These parts were missing, the film sucks". I loved the film, Im merely saying parts I would've LIKED to see. Just as one poster says that car scene was in the film of Joker leaving penthouse, it just got CUT. Therefore, him escaping WAS thought of in the script, probably just some WB exec figured that was something to cut because it wasnt absolutely necessary. Film was a masterpiece ya'll, I really wish you'd stop calling me an idiot and such, im just posing some questions.

 

[ospumas1]

Penthouse? How did he get away? Batman landed with Rachel and then what, walked away? Wasnt Joker still up their with the guests?

ummm they didn't write it into the movie so it doesn't exist...go outside and get some fresh air.

 

[riskproductions]

ummm they didn't write it into the movie so it doesn't exist...go outside and get some fresh air.

LOL what do you mean by that? Is it dumn to question things in the story? BTW it was written into the movie as someone said before, just got cut.

A little hostile are we lol?

 

[blitz]

-How Gordon faked his death
-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral
-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room
-Whatever happened to Lau
-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE
-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub
-How Harvey escapes hospital
-Why Harvey shoots driver
-How did Harvey escape flipped car, what happens to Maroni
-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod
-How was Joker somehow burning firetrucks, loading thousands of places with barrels of explosives
-Why didnt ferry people realize they were sitting on explosives


Ok now listen. I REALIZE all these elements AREN'T NECESSARY to be in the film, and I also realize many things were cut to save time. All I am saying with these gripes are "Man it would've been nice to see these parts" rather than "These parts were missing, the film sucks". I loved the film, Im merely saying parts I would've LIKED to see. Just as one poster says that car scene was in the film of Joker leaving penthouse, it just got CUT. Therefore, him escaping WAS thought of in the script, probably just some WB exec figured that was something to cut because it wasnt absolutely necessary. Film was a masterpiece ya'll, I really wish you'd stop calling me an idiot and such, im just posing some questions.

Great post. I think the biggest one is how Gordon faked his death. I'm really curious about that one. Also how batman got to the room overlooking the funeral and how Harvey escaped are also perplexing.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I was wondering the same thing... I assumed he just left.

 

[Magenta666]

-How Gordon faked his death
-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral
-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room
-Whatever happened to Lau
-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE
-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub
-How Harvey escapes hospital
-Why Harvey shoots driver
-How did Harvey escape flipped car, what happens to Maroni
-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod
-How was Joker somehow burning firetrucks, loading thousands of places with barrels of explosives
-Why didnt ferry people realize they were sitting on explosives


Ok now listen. I REALIZE all these elements AREN'T NECESSARY to be in the film, and I also realize many things were cut to save time. All I am saying with these gripes are "Man it would've been nice to see these parts" rather than "These parts were missing, the film sucks". I loved the film, Im merely saying parts I would've LIKED to see. Just as one poster says that car scene was in the film of Joker leaving penthouse, it just got CUT. Therefore, him escaping WAS thought of in the script, probably just some WB exec figured that was something to cut because it wasnt absolutely necessary. Film was a masterpiece ya'll, I really wish you'd stop calling me an idiot and such, im just posing some questions.

-bruce got the finger print, got close matches, and used the names to find people who had houses close to the parade
-...joker burned lau...he was on top of the money remember?
-joker lets Dent out of the hospital, he unstraps him remember, i assume after Dent doesnt shoot him, he just leaves (and joker walks out after him...and washes his hands)

yeah the others are good points, but we have to give up somethings

 

[riskproductions]

Cool cool. One question, was the guy whose fingerprint was found, also the guy who had the apartment by the funeral, was he the guy Dent interrogated?

 

[Anita18]

Ummm, I've only seen it once so far and I can explain most of riskproduction's "plot holes." But I consider myself more observant than your average person, so...yeah.

-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral

I think the address belonged to the guy it matched. I'm not sure, which is why I'm watching it again.

-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room

He took that cop hostage with a large shard of glass. Joker is sitting right below the spot where Batman threw him into the one-way mirror, so he baited that cop and took a large shard of glass as a weapon to threaten him with.

-Whatever happened to Lau

After Joker set off that bomb at MCU, he goes over and takes Lau away. You see Lau later being tied up on top of that pile of cash, then you assume he's burned alive along with the cash. They don't believe they show it, probably because of the rating? One person being burned by fire is probably enough.

-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE

Batman has fallacies, and Rachel was in the most immediate danger, so he went after her. I dunno, it didn't occur to me until after the film ended and I went home, LOL.

-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub

After the whole Rossi thing, they probably declared a mistrial or what have you.

-Why Harvey shoots driver

He flipped the coin for the driver and it landed scarred side up. Why else?

-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod

From what I saw, the back end of the Tumbler was beyond hope, but the front end was pretty much intact.

-How was Joker somehow burning firetrucks, loading thousands of places with barrels of explosives
-Why didnt ferry people realize they were sitting on explosives

Now, this is the stuff that people have to assume is possible in the world of this movie, just like it's possible for Bruce Wayne to go out at night and beat up criminals for months (sans gun) without getting killed.

The film is just a short view of the world in which this story takes place, and sometimes to keep the story beat going, you have to cut some stuff out.

 

[Magenta666]

Cool cool. One question, was the guy whose fingerprint was found, also the guy who had the apartment by the funeral, was he the guy Dent interrogated?

no i think joker planted the finger prints...the guys in the apartment were the cops who were supposed to salute Leob...joker and his men stole the outfits

no the guy dent interrogated was in the salute line, when it pans over all the cops, the one before joker, thats the one he interrogated

 

[bgates87]

This is a fast-paced movie. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's a plot hole. Sometimes you just need to see the movie again, sometimes you just weren't paying attention at the right time. I know I'm going to need to see this again to answer all of the questions I have. What's next, "I wish they'd show how Harvey got out of that closet?"

 

[samsnee]

-How Gordon faked his death

Don't get this either. Batman and Dent didn't seem to know when Dent was interrogating one of Joker's goons, but then when Gordon comes back, they talk like it was all part of a plan

-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral

Completely missed this as well. Good to see him doing detective work, but didn't make sense on first viewing

-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room

I just assume the cop came after him and Joker somehow got the upper hand.

-Whatever happened to Lau

He was on top of the money stack Joker burned.

-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE

Don't know. Also, Joker was pretty threatening towards Senator Leahy, so who's to say he didn't kill him before leaving.

-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub

I assume after the judge was killed, they were given a new trial.

-How Harvey escapes hospital

He probably just walked out, but the question is how he got out without being noticed.

-Why Harvey shoots driver

He flipped his coin, and it came up bad side.

-How did Harvey escape flipped car, what happens to Maroni

I guess since he didn't buckle up, he died. But Joker survived a semi being flipped over, and I'm sure he wasn't wearing his seat belt. So who's to say.

-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod

It didn't completely explode until after the pod escaped.

-How was Joker somehow burning firetrucks, loading thousands of places with barrels of explosives

Not sure

-Why didnt ferry people realize they were sitting on explosives

They wouldn't have noticed unless they went below deck.

 

[Nightmare]

I loved the part where they rigged explosives on both the yachts.

 

[Heretic]

Why should we be privy to what The Joker does? I mean, I dont care to see The Joker wake up in the morning, brush his te...no, that aint happening...you get what Im saying? Its THE JOKER. We arent supposed to know how he does most of what he does. We dont where he came from, or how he got his scars or how or why he leaves a party he just crashed.

 

[JL Unlimited]

I don't consider the below "plot holes". These are simple things you just missed on your first viewing (and some that I missed) that you'll catch with repeat viewings.

-How Bruce somehow used a fingerprint to get to a room overlooking the funeral

This scene happened so fast. I was trying to follow along but then when they showed Joker in the crowd, forget it. I had to read the novel to figure it out and it'll make sense in a second viewing. The Joker and his men killed those two men in the apartment and there was a bullet in the wall. Bruce did his detective work and matched the fingerprint to a man who's apartment happened to overlook the parade that the Mayor (and next Joker victim) was participating in.

-How Joker escaped from the interrogation room

Anita is right about this one. It's broken glass from where Batman smashed Joker's face in. It's also confirmed in the novel.

-Whatever happened to Lau

Lau is assumed to have died on top of the burning money.

-How did Maroni and associates get released, now in nightclub

This one is easy. Dent, Loeb, Gordon, and the Mayor had a scene where the Mayor said that Dent is going to set a world's record for most appeals and Dent said that only the big dogs can afford that and that at least they'll get all the middle people who can't afford to be off the streets. It's on one of the twelve leaked clips. So Maroni was able to get out of jail and probably hired new goons.

-How Harvey escapes hospital

I don't think Nolan wants to spoonfeed us information. It's assumed that Joker let him go after seeing him undo all the straps.

-Why Harvey shoots driver

He can't kill Maroni because the coin had decided but he can hurt him in other ways.

-They showed Tumbler completely exploding, then it is intact entirely for him to escape in pod

I think you need to watch this again. The Tumbler suffered damage and was on fire but it didn't "completely explode". After the Batpod ejects, the Tumber says self destruct on one of the panels, and then it completety explodes.

 

[samsnee]

I don't consider the below "plot holes". These are simple things you just missed on your first viewing (and some that I missed) that you'll catch with repeat viewings.



This scene happened so fast. I was trying to follow along but then when they showed Joker in the crowd, forget it. I had to read the novel to figure it out and it'll make sense in a second viewing. The Joker and his men killed those two men in the apartment and there was a bullet in the wall. Bruce did his detective work and matched the fingerprint to a man who's apartment happened to overlook the parade that the Mayor (and next Joker victim) was participating in.

I'm still confused by it. Joker had already identified who his victims would be with the DNA from the playing card. So why also kill two random people just for Harvey Dent? Why didn't he also kill two random people to point to the judge and Loeb?

 

[michephantom]

My only problem is that when Batman caught rachael, the justr continued falling and landed on a car. Hello broken bones/spine/neck/dead?

 

[Comicfan]

Ok so let me get this straight; The Joker robs a bank in the middle of the day and drives off in a school bus full of the mob's money. He walks into a meeting of Gotham's most dangerous mob bosses, kills a guy, and walks out while basically insulting them the entire time. He escapes from jail despite being surrounded by police officers with their guns drawn. He does all of this, and you are complaining because you didn't get to see how he escapes from a room full of unarmed, terrified citizens? Give me a break.

You guys know this is The Joker we're talking about, right? He obviously has a knack for escaping sticky situations, do we really need to see it every time?

Actually I have problems with all those scenes, there where soo many times where the joker could have been either captured or killed, but no one moved a finger

 

[Comicfan]

My only problem is that when Batman caught rachael, the justr continued falling and landed on a car. Hello broken bones/spine/neck/dead?

Thats another one

 

[Anita18]

Actually I have problems with all those scenes, there where soo many times where the joker could have been either captured or killed, but no one moved a finger

Because he's the Joker. He befuddles people because he just doesn't care. He does whatever he wants, which could include killing you at a moment's notice.

 

[drakefinx2604]

Hey risk! How've you been, man? It's been a while haha. I really hope this answers your question.......

-WHY BATMAN DIDNT GO BACK AFTER JOKER IN PENTHOUSE
...Fox informed Bruce Wayne that his military flashy floating thing had been misplaced, so Wayne immediately concluded that the Joker must've stolen it. Because Batman always thinks 8 steps ahead, he already knew the Joker would've plotted his escape beforehand and what better item to use than the flashy floating thing??? Therefore, Batman knew he wouldn't have been able to catch him anyways, as the Joker had already been pulled away by a passing airplane...did you fall asleep during the movie or something???

 

[bgates87]

Actually I have problems with all those scenes, there where soo many times where the joker could have been either captured or killed, but no one moved a finger

Well he gets away from the bank robbery by pulling out into the middle of a bunch of other buses, granted his bus didn't have any kids in it which would have been suspicious but since all of the buses were together I'm guessing they were just beginning their routes which means that probably none of the buses had kids in them. As far as escaping the mob meeting, well he had one finger on a string that was attached to the pin of a grenade, and had some other explosives strapped to the inside of his jacket as well. What could you really do about that? And for escaping the jail, he was holding a guy hostage, nobody was going to try and shoot at him. Then when the bomb goes off he just escapes. It's not that unbelievable.

 

[Aidan2209]

Don't get this either. Batman and Dent didn't seem to know when Dent was interrogating one of Joker's goons, but then when Gordon comes back, they talk like it was all part of a plan.

When Gordon opens the armoured van, Dent looks noticably shocked, saying, "You do play things close to the chest", or something like that.