How to Kill Wolverine

[Vanguard07]

LoL you could argue that it'd work in space. Space is cold enough it'd reduce the water in you to ice. Which could then slow down the need for oxygen LoL

 

[Genesis 1.0]

huh? was wolverine trapped under a glacier for years? thought that was just cap... and anyway, yknow how science fiction works -- ice slows thngs down so slows down the need for oxygen, preserving you. duh.lol. in space/ under sea that wouldnt happen.

Cap was trapped in ice, Logan was underneath a glacier.

 

[giggs11uk]

I have always thought that wolverines healing factor was caused by rapid cell regeneration. So if you gave wolverine cancer he would die in a matter of seconds

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Uh................no. Logan's body ******s age and fights diseases at the same accelerated rate, which is why you never see the guy with a cold or the flu, or crabs from his random romps.

 

[Nasty-B]

Yeah, but I think he's saying that if you bipassed his healing factor and infected him with cancer, the cancer would spread faster then normal because the cancer cells would reproduce so quickly. The tricky part would be to initially infect him with cancer.

 

[Zeu]

Yeah, but I think he's saying that if you bipassed his healing factor and infected him with cancer, the cancer would spread faster then normal because the cancer cells would reproduce so quickly. The tricky part would be to initially infect him with cancer.

Easy:
grab one of his blood cells (he tends to leave them lying everywhere), reverse-engineer its DNA and return it back to him via needle (it´s not like he´d bother dodging it anyway).

Presto!

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I dunno how much oxygen he could have gotten trapped beneath a glacier for years but he survived that and if your brain is literally incenerated, I'm pretty sure oxygen deprevation isn't going to mean a damn thing.

As to the Lobo deal, they wanted to mock him, sure, but they also wanted to cash in on some of that Wolverine aura.

Yeah but Lobo, like Deadpool "cannot die" as it is written in their characters. Wolverine's powers, as they were created to be, are accelerated healing. In other words he heals from things most humans can heal from at a faster rate...or in the case of gunshot wounds, if the bullet passes through his body. However this idea that his cells have regenerative properties, is absurd.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

i always thought with the nature of wolverine's regeneration of cells acting so fast that if ever a human really DID get such a healing factor - on the simple basis that things are sped up - that it would actually CAUSE cancer. yknow, uncontrolled division of cells causes cancer, heightened healing factor could regenerate out of control.... always seemed like two sides of the same coin to me. thats why i like the idea of healing factor, cancer ridden deadpool. it sort of linked those ideas

 

[KAD]

Whoever buys the "Wolverine regenerates at a cellular level, with a potential to grow back from a single cell thus regenerating whole body parts shouldn't be a problem" should honestly do some research. You may sound smart while trying to explain it biologically, but have you re-read your arguments? It's laughable.

If he lost his eyes, how on earth would cells from his freakin skin know how (and when) to grow back eyeballs? Or, if he sustains a severe concussion (like a nuke, or the Hulk), and his brain turns to mush, how would his brain cells re-establish the billions of trillions of neural synapses of unimaginable complexity with each other?

It doesn't matter if he can regenerate an infinite number of brain cells. The brain is more than how many brain cells are in it. The whole is *infinitely* greater than the sum of its parts.

If he loses his heart, how would his blood cells duplicate into a functioning heart? The heart may not be as complex as the brain is, but it also depends on all its cells working as a unit to function properly.

If Wolverine's cells can multiply as well as differentiate themselves into different cell types with all the appropriate neural/hormonal/a billion other connections with each other, then the logical extension is that there should be more than one Logan running around, cloned by his own healing factor whenever he bleeds or something. Otherwise, you cannot have Logan regrowing himself from a skeleton but only have one Logan running around.

At least with Spider-man you can blame his stingers or what not on some new spidey power he acquired (however dumb that may be). With Logan, he doesn't have a new power - this is an existing one upgraded to the realm of comical, let alone scientific, impossibility and just...lameness.

Or you could just accept that they are all ficticous characters living in a world where anything is possible

 

[MyPokerShirt]

^ what's the term? suspension of disbelief, right? well, everyone's has a limit. Coming from someone who isn't a big fan, but had maybe 30-odd wolverine stories in his collection at one point, i'd just like to add that wolverine barely seems to stay at the same power level from year to year, or at least from writer to writer.

 

[Zeu]

Or you could just accept that they are all ficticous characters living in a world where anything is possible

It´s amazing how many people have started to use this crappy "it´s just a comic" excuse lately, I´m beginning to wonder if they ever actually read a comic in their life.

Yes, it´s a comic but comics too have RULES.

There´s a reason why Spider-man is affraid of guns. If someone discharges one to his face, he will die. Even thought it´s a comic.

There´s a reason why in the absence of a rubi-quartz visor, Cyclops i8nstinctivelly closes his eyes when looking at Prof. X. Because if he doesn´t, they will die. Even though it´s a comic.

You break these ruiles and you´ll destroy the readers´suspension of disbelief.

Which is already WAY too stretched to acomodate flying men and hammer-spinning aryan gods.

 

[KAD]

It´s amazing how many people have started to use this crappy "it´s just a comic" excuse lately, I´m beginning to wonder if they ever actually read a comic in their life.

Yes, it´s a comic but comics too have RULES.

There´s a reason why Spider-man is affraid of guns. If someone discharges one to his face, he will die. Even thought it´s a comic.

There´s a reason why in the absence of a rubi-quartz visor, Cyclops i8nstinctivelly closes his eyes when looking at Prof. X. Because if he doesn´t, they will die. Even though it´s a comic.

You break these ruiles and you´ll destroy the readers´suspension of disbelief.

Which is already WAY too stretched to acomodate flying men and hammer-spinning aryan gods.

Sadly, I have been reading comics longer than you have been alive more than likely.

Its funny how using real world science to show that Wolverine's powers shouldn't be possible, yet the same logic isn't applied for the proportionate strength and speed of a spider to be imparted to a man.

 

[KAD]

Oh by the way since your so hip on seeing the science of things.

Logic dictates that if Peter Parker after being bitten by a radioactive began displaying the physical abilities of a spider it would also be highly probable that he would also mimic the psychlogical and social tendencies of the same.

Therfore he should be doing one or all of the below:

Sustaining himself on the innards of living victims

Be a hermit as spiders are very teritorial

View all non spidermen as intruders or food

Yet I don't hear anyone crying foul.

 

[wobbly]

Heh, I'm glad my refrence led you to actually research the comic, it's more than most are willing to do. Incernerated to a charred skeleton, left to freeze to death, burned in a fire, several bullets to the brain and through it, with some lodged, ect. and he did THAT before he got his skeleton.

And that is the point. Don't today's writers do any research of their own and remember why he was given the skeleton? Because for all his lethality and durability he could still be killed: A bullet to the brain would do it, enough damage to his heart could do it. Dozens of different ways any normal person with the right tools could do the job if given the opportunity (which is he is skilled at not giving), nevermind a villain with the ability to fry the flesh from his bones. The skeleton was a means of complimenting his healing factor by making him that much harder to kill (and originally to give him his claws, later ret-conned of course into real claws), and even after he got the new bones he could still be killed, was aware he could still be killed and fought his battles accordingly. Now though? Hey I'm gonna get fried...no big deal.


Really, it's bad enough they are 'upgrading' him to full-blown cellular regeneration from his own ashes now (btw-doesnt incineration destroy DNA?) but to delve into his past and ret-con such invincibility into him any longer term readers know he never had is rather annoying. I guess the writer was more concerned with filling his story with 'cool' ideas rather than anything that is true to how the character was originally intended.

 

[Nathan]

Damn, could you please just stop with Spider-Man already? This thread isn't about him if you haven't noticed. It's about Wolverine who went from healing over hours to days, to fully regrowing his entire body back from a burned adamantium skeleton without any sort of explanation.

If comic rules say he needs days for extensive injuries to heal, then that's how it should be. And if the comic rules say that Wolverine isn't immortal and can in fact die if his entire flesh is burned away or loses vital organs, then that's also the way it should be.

Comics defy the rules of normal science, that's clear, but even comics have a set of rules they follow.

 

[rigel7soldiers]

How do you kill Wolverine? You just need to be a sentinel.

 

[Nathan]

I posted this in the Wolverine Thread. Here's an example of a writer who has done his homework. It's from Marvel Team-up #19. Wolverine gets badly burned and an hour later he's still not fully healed.

 

[wobbly]

^ what's the term? suspension of disbelief, right? well, everyone's has a limit. Coming from someone who isn't a big fan, but had maybe 30-odd wolverine stories in his collection at one point, i'd just like to add that wolverine barely seems to stay at the same power level from year to year, or at least from writer to writer.

Suspension of disbelief isnt really the problem: Had he always been shown to heal like this it wouldn't be such an issue. But it was clearly shown in his earlier years that he never had healing powers on anything like this level, that he was indeed killable and imo he was a better character for that.

 

[KAD]

Suspension of disbelief isnt really the problem: Had he always been shown to heal like this it wouldn't be such an issue. But it was clearly shown in his earlier years that he never had healing powers on anything like this level, that he was indeed killable and imo he was a better character for that.

And all the characters of the MU have remained static regarding powers and abilities as well over the top acts?

 

[Darthphere]

And all the characters of the MU have remained static regarding powers and abilities as well over the top acts?

This is a juvenile argument. "Waaaah! Bu Spider-Man got an upgrade. Waaah!" ****, its stupid. If Wolverine was getting beta by school girls then you would have a point but hes always been badass and has always done things to an extremem, this was just too far.

 

[wobbly]

And all the characters of the MU have remained static regarding powers and abilities as well over the top acts?

There's a bit of a difference in increasing a characters strength or throwing them an extra power or two, to changing wether they can or can't be killed. As it stands they have effectively now made Logan unkillable to anything outside of a cosmic class enemy.

 

[D-scythe]

Oh by the way since your so hip on seeing the science of things.

Logic dictates that if Peter Parker after being bitten by a radioactive began displaying the physical abilities of a spider it would also be highly probable that he would also mimic the psychlogical and social tendencies of the same.

I could believe that a genetically mutated spider could through some weird biology impart its physical abilities to a human. Honestly, that was a part of the Spider-man character since the beginning. Thus, in a similar sense, I can also believe the Logan can heal much faster than a normal human because of an X-gene he was born with that gives him this power, along with heightened senses.

However, my suspension of belief ends with Logan getting unexplained power upgrades and he starts coming back from the dead. Go to any Spider-man comic book (pre-the Other/Morlun/Red-Gold suit stuff) and show me an instance where Spider-man did something he shouldn't be able to. Now do the same for Wolverine. Get back to us with the numbers.

Therfore he should be doing one or all of the below:

Sustaining himself on the innards of living victims

Be a hermit as spiders are very teritorial

View all non spidermen as intruders or food

Yet I don't hear anyone crying foul.

Whenever you have to defend one character by pointing out the inconsistencies of another, is a good indication that you have just lost the debate. Badly.

 

[Cyclops]

Show him a really sad movie where people die and he'll cry to death.

Oh, wait, that's Hugh Jackverine.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

LoL you could argue that it'd work in space. Space is cold enough it'd reduce the water in you to ice. Which could then slow down the need for oxygen LoL

the lack of atmosphere increases the pressure of ur blood, guts and all the other icky stuff inside your body and it explodes out from every orifice it can. then he'd freeze. so i guess it wouldnt really work, cos the systems that would slow down would be floating miles away from him.lol.

 

[KAD]

I could believe that a genetically mutated spider could through some weird biology impart its physical abilities to a human. Honestly, that was a part of the Spider-man character since the beginning. Thus, in a similar sense, I can also believe the Logan can heal much faster than a normal human because of an X-gene he was born with that gives him this power, along with heightened senses.

However, my suspension of belief ends with Logan getting unexplained power upgrades and he starts coming back from the dead. Go to any Spider-man comic book (pre-the Other/Morlun/Red-Gold suit stuff) and show me an instance where Spider-man did something he shouldn't be able to. Now do the same for Wolverine. Get back to us with the numbers.



Whenever you have to defend one character by pointing out the inconsistencies of another, is a good indication that you have just lost the debate. Badly.

You keep saying the changes to Wolverine are unexplained yet I have pointed to several stories written over the past twenty years that clearly advance the idea of Wolverine's progression to his current state.

I was never defending the Nuke issue I was revealing the hypocrisy in the persicution of the character regarding his being upgraded.