How to Kill Wolverine

[KAD]

This is a juvenile argument. "Waaaah! Bu Spider-Man got an upgrade. Waaah!" ****, its stupid. If Wolverine was getting beta by school girls then you would have a point but hes always been badass and has always done things to an extremem, this was just too far.

You say tomato..

I see at as a legitimate and relevant thread of discussion.

To me your arguments throughout this thread seem to be written with a bias towards the character.

 

[KAD]

There's a bit of a difference in increasing a characters strength or throwing them an extra power or two, to changing wether they can or can't be killed. As it stands they have effectively now made Logan unkillable to anything outside of a cosmic class enemy.

As has become:

The Hulk

Deadpool

Wonderman

to name a few

 

[Sloth7d]

And since Sabretooth healing factor is on par with Wolverine
Then Sabretooth=unkillable.
Yay!

 

[KAD]

And since Sabretooth healing factor is on par with Wolverine
Then Sabretooth=unkillable.
Yay!

Was on a par

 

[Darthphere]

You say tomato..

I see at as a legitimate and relevant thread of discussion.

To me your arguments throughout this thread seem to be written with a bias towards the character.

Yeah, thats it. Fact is, Wolverine shouldnt be surviving nukes. The fact that a writer has to write that as OMG!! WTF!11! moment just shows lack of creativity and lakc of imagination as Wolverine can be written correctly and still be badass.

 

[Darthphere]

As has become:

The Hulk

Deadpool

Wonderman

to name a few

*bansg head on desk*

Those you just lsited had actual reasons and stories that explained these changes unlike Wolverine.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You keep saying the changes to Wolverine are unexplained yet I have pointed to several stories written over the past twenty years that clearly advance the idea of Wolverine's progression to his current state.

I was never defending the Nuke issue I was revealing the hypocrisy in the persicution of the character regarding his being upgraded.

Not really. You've made conjectures based on the apocalypse death storyline, onslaught besides the fact the none of these stories have ever said "his powers were enhanced, changed or altered". So far as we know he is the same Wolverine that Tigershark imbedded in a rock years ago and almost killed. Furthermore, during "Enemy of the State" during the DareDevil fight he was supposedly dying before Hydra teleported him away. Then again in the follow up "Agent of Shield" he was in sick bay not once but twice for extended periods of time. I did not see his regeneration powers then, certainly not such capable to rendering an entirely new body in mere seconds. Whedon's run as well shows him as quiet "normal levels" as a sai to the stomach put him out of commishion for the entire fight with Ord of the Breakworld.

So no, all you've done is justified not only bad writing as "upgrades" but you'd be unable to prove these "upgrades" were even consistent with the CURRENT character, let alone his levels in the 90s, 80s and 70s. All it boils down to is most writers these days due to a poor editor and chief who is unable to organize his business enough to get books out on time don't bother researching the character. They are not reigning in his writing staff like DC does. DC has consistency throughout their books, something Marvel created in the 60s and again in the 80s called continuity. It means one book effects another, and each book is responsible to protray the characters correctly and accurately. Marvel gave up on that and because of it Wolverine can withstand a nuclear explosion.

 

[KAD]

Yeah, thats it. Fact is, Wolverine shouldnt be surviving nukes. The fact that a writer has to write that as OMG!! WTF!11! moment just shows lack of creativity and lakc of imagination as Wolverine can be written correctly and still be badass.

And I agree with you 100%

But it doesnt mean a good writer can't make the current Wolverine work

 

[D-scythe]

You keep saying the changes to Wolverine are unexplained yet I have pointed to several stories written over the past twenty years that clearly advance the idea of Wolverine's progression to his current state.

List them. I, like the others, haven't seen any explanation for the exponential increase in Wolverine's healing factor lately.

Better yet, show me the issue where it explained Wolverine's upgraded ability to survive a nuke or being burned down to its adamentium skeleton and live.

 

[KAD]

Not really. You've made conjectures based on the apocalypse death storyline, onslaught besides the fact the none of these stories have ever said "his powers were enhanced, changed or altered". So far as we know he is the same Wolverine that Tigershark imbedded in a rock years ago and almost killed. Furthermore, during "Enemy of the State" during the DareDevil fight he was supposedly dying before Hydra teleported him away. Then again in the follow up "Agent of Shield" he was in sick bay not once but twice for extended periods of time. I did not see his regeneration powers then, certainly not such capable to rendering an entirely new body in mere seconds. Whedon's run as well shows him as quiet "normal levels" as a sai to the stomach put him out of commishion for the entire fight with Ord of the Breakworld.

So no, all you've done is justified not only bad writing as "upgrades" but you'd be unable to prove these "upgrades" were even consistent with the CURRENT character, let alone his levels in the 90s, 80s and 70s. All it boils down to is most writers these days due to a poor editor and chief who is unable to organize his business enough to get books out on time don't bother researching the character. They are not reigning in his writing staff like DC does. DC has consistency throughout their books, something Marvel created in the 60s and again in the 80s called continuity. It means one book effects another, and each book is responsible to protray the characters correctly and accurately. Marvel gave up on that and because of it Wolverine can withstand a nuclear explosion.

You miss my point entirly, and misrepresent me at the same time.

I never stated I agree with the way writers ( Or with him surviving a Nuke.) use Wolverine, I simply said it was possible. I like the Wolverine written in enemy of state as I expressed earlier that is the best inerpritation of the character IMO.

I pointed out more than just the Apocolypse story line.

The one I felt most lends credibility to the possibility is Blood and Ice as I have said all along.

 

[KAD]

List them. I, like the others, haven't seen any explanation for the exponential increase in Wolverine's healing factor lately.

Better yet, show me the issue where it explained Wolverine's upgraded ability to survive a nuke or being burned down to its adamentium skeleton and live.

A little advice:

Before jumping into a discussion go back and read thru the thread or at least the current discussion.

It will save time and limit repetition.

Thank you and have a nice day.

 

[KAD]

*bansg head on desk*

Those you just lsited had actual reasons and stories that explained these changes unlike Wolverine.

I'm not saying that anyone has looked at explaining the currenty state of the character, just that it isn't without foundation.

 

[D-scythe]

I never stated I agree with the way writers ( Or with him surviving a Nuke.) use Wolverine, I simply said it was possible. I like the Wolverine written in enemy of state as I expressed earlier that is the best inerpritation of the character IMO.

Here's a bit of advice: before defending a character, realize what is possible, and what is not. It'll do wonders for your credibility.

And it will save time cause basic facts won't have to be stated repeatedly.

 

[KAD]

Here's a bit of advice: before defending a character, realize what is possible, and what is not. It'll do wonders for your credibility.

And it will save time cause basic facts won't have to be stated repeatedly.

take your own advice and read more comics.

There are no basic facts in comics. Comics are always evolving. The current trend of altering the heroes (Not only Wolverine but practically the entire cast of the MU) abilities to make them "Bad Ass" has been going on since the 80's.

Much of it surpased ricdiculous long ago.

 

[Darthphere]

take your own advice and read more comics.

There are no basic facts in comics. Comics are always evolving. The current trend of altering the heroes (Not only Wolverine but practically the entire cast of the MU) abilities to make them "Bad Ass" has been going on since the 80's.

Much of it surpased ricdiculous long ago.

So by your estimation. Batman can take a bullet through the heart, get up fight off 20 bad guys disarm a hydrogen bomb and drive the Joker to Arkham before he dies?

 

[D-scythe]

take your own advice and read more comics.

There are no basic facts in comics. Comics are always evolving. The current trend of altering the heroes (Not only Wolverine but practically the entire cast of the MU) abilities to make them "Bad Ass" has been going on since the 80's.

Much of it surpased ricdiculous long ago.

Fine, believe that it's possible for Logan to survive a nuclear bomb. Although I don't understand why you'd come out and say it publically that surviving a direct hit from a nuke is possible.

Kinda embarrassing, really.

Ever hear the saying, "it's better to keep quiet, and be thought an idiot, then open your mouth, and dispell all doubt"? Valuable life lesson for you right there.

 

[Cyclops]

Wow. I just read that bit up at the front of this thread...

This is ridiculous. Why is it that Marvel just insists on making its flagship characters completely and totally ******ed? Makes me glad I'm not buying their worthless books anymore.

 

[Slim31]

yeah?^ now you know how I feel about Superman and the rest of DC

 

[Cyclops]

The difference there is that Superman has ALWAYS been incredibly powerful. Since day one.

Wolverine has NEVER been able to recover from the kinds of injuries he has lately with the speed he has lately.

 

[Vanguard07]

If you dislike Marvel so much A) why do you post on the marvel boards and B) why do you have a well known marvel character as your avvy?

 

[Cyclops]

Are you talking to me?

I love Marvel's characters. I dislike the direction these characters are being taken in.

If you have a problem with that, then tough ****.

 

[Vanguard07]

wow. Thats intimidating.
you dont have to get pissed off at me for asking a logical question man.

I dont like a lot of what marvel's doing either. Doesnt mean I have to go online and badmouth the comics. You could just as easilly say you dont like them without calling them worthless garbage.

There's still plenty of value in them.

 

[Cyclops]

And if I had any interest in intimidating you, I'd be terribly disappointed.

It also doesn't mean you have to take offense at what I have to say either. I can guarantee you that Marvel doesn't care. Won't stop me from saying it though.

And sorry, to me, when you have Spider-Man growing stingers in his wrists and you have Wolverine regenerating in minutes from bare bones, that's damn worthy of badmouthing as far as I'm concerned.

Once they start treating the characters I love as something more than mere shock value tools they can use to make more money, then they might start regaining my respect.

Until that day, I'll continue to speak harshly in regards to the product they churn out. And no amount of "Don't be so means" is gonna stop me.

 

[roach]

This is a juvenile argument. "Waaaah! Bu Spider-Man got an upgrade. Waaah!" ****, its stupid.

Sue got raped does that mean Wolverine should get raped too

 

[Nathan]

Sue got raped does that mean Wolverine should get raped too

What?