The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse
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The problem with the fight you posted, and many movie fights in general, is that when they show one person take on 20 some people...they show each enemy running at the main character separately, so he's still fighting one on one. That clip you posted is still very unrealistic, because if those men really wanted to beat that guy, they would have all just ran up to him at once, and he would have been quickly overtaken.
In TDK and BB, Batman fought large groups, but he would set up the situation so he was able to only deal with one or two people at a time, which is much different than the "taking turn" style of the way most kung fu action movies are.
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the thing is, they were all hesitant to fight him because they had already seen what he could do. they dont have to do it like that in batman. they could have someone leave him in a room surrounded by a large group, come back expecting to see him dead, and see all of them unconscious or holding their injuries. it sounds stupid when i explain it but would look much cooler on screen. and isnt really much different from the fight in the narrows, the difference would be that he was fighting alot more people and the fight in the narrows didnt really seem much different from the fight in the begining. the only difference was that he was puttin them down easier. thats y i think he should fight a larger group.
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Bruce will struggle hard with the consequences of being Batman and will vow to give up, he must first replace Harvey Dent himself or find someone that can do it and support them both as Wayne and as Batman. Bruce begins to shift more of his focus on cleaning up Gotham from a humanitarian angle using Wayne Enterprises and his wealth to fight the good fight in the public. Things take a turn for the worse when Wayne Enterprises is accused of violating labor laws and economic scandal. Bruce will have the fight of his life as he is challenged as both Batman and Bruce Wayne by Roman Sionis a.k.a. Black Mask and his False Face Society a ruthless gang of disfigured members who have all been tortured and brainwashed and want to control the illegal crime activity in Gotham City. As well as the fact the Batman is now public enemy number one. The employee from TDK who found blueprints for Tumbler (BATMOBILE) is found murdered, and Batman is thought to be the culprit trying to protect his identity. This leads to an even greater pressure from the city for Gordon to capture Batman and Gordon himself now doesn’t know who to trust even Batman himself.
A new and mysterious female D.A. emerges Talia Head and sparks the interest of Bruce Wayne and she is secretly Talia al Ghul (Despite not appearing in Batman Begins, where Ra's al Ghul is the main villain, she is mentioned in the novelization when Ra's writes to his daughter in Switzerland and al Ghul's character biography in the DVD special features.) She is a complex character, not quite heroine nor villainess but more of an anti-hero. Talia has brought a team of the remaining League of Shadows Warriors to Gotham City to hunt down the Batman and force him to join them or pay for her father’s death. The League is fully aware that the city has been under siege from the Black Mask and his False Face Society for years.
The Joker was used by the Black Mask who wanted to move in on the mob families in Gotham, to tear apart the structure built up by Sal Maroni and at the same time destroy the influence of Batman. The Black Mask is an older man, very rich, and a rogue member of the league of shadows. After leaving the League he formed the False Face Society who recruited the Joker. Black Mask's most important weapons are fear and intimidation. He is known for his brutal and sadistic torture techniques, especially on the face. He sees the Joker’s purpose was served as he drove the Batman from hero to vigilante in the general public eye, and needs to dispose of the Joker before his identity is revealed. The Black Mask is secretly also a wealthy business man and has the pull to push around Bruce Wayne and also fabricate documents and information. His Intel is unparalleled, he nearly completes a hostile takeover of Wayne Enterprises, and he is a master criminal strategist with vast amount of resources. He was the crime lord of Gotham city for many years as an undercover businessman and was the original target of Ras al Ghul. Black Mask also uses his connections to gather information on his enemies, and then hits them at their weak points, such as family and friends. (ties to Thomas Wayne, and his death) The Black Mask infiltrates Wayne Enterprises and in an attempt to take over the building kills Lucious Fox. Black Mask commits a series of murders disguised as Batman. This plan is complicated by the escape of Joker. Joker finds and seeks revenge on the Black Mask exposing his true identity and scarring him in the process. The False Face Society and the League of Shadows Hunters led by Talia go to war in the streets of Gotham.
Gordon discovers he must find a way to get info out of the Joker, while in Arkham he is receiving treatment from a new doctor Dr. Harleen Quinzel who turns out to be an operative of the Black Mask. The Black Mask is determined to kill the Joker to conceal his identity but the operative does a double cross, and frees the Joker. He then kidnaps Commissioner Gordon and taunts him with enlarged photographs of his wounded (family member), in an attempt to prove that any normal man can go insane after having "one really bad day." The Joker ridicules him as an example of "the average man," a naïve weakling doomed to insanity. Again giving an explanation of the scars on his face to Gordon with a knife pressed to the inside of the Commissioner’s mouth "something like that happened to me you know...I'm not quite sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" The Joker knowing the true identity of Black Mask and his intent on taking over Wayne Enterprises destroys the Wayne tower to announce to Gotham that he is again free and that terror has returned to Gotham.
Climax would be Joker now destroying what’s left of the mob and taking over the reins of The False Face Society. He holds the city for ransom by revealing he has a plan to detonate another bomb similar to what destroys Wayne enterprises.
Batman has to take down False Face Society and stop the Joker while struggling with the conflict of continuing his life as both Batman and Bruce Wayne or accepting the offer from Talia who is determined to have Bruce lead The League of Shadows.Talia ends up stepping in front of bullet meant for Batman as her heart has changed after she has witnessed all the destruction caused by her own fathers hand and that of their followers.
By the end of the movie the citizens of Gotham realize that Batman is the only one who can level the playing field against the powers of the criminally insane and the corrupt powers that be in Gotham City.
Bruce will struggle hard with the consequences of being Batman and will vow to give up, he must first replace Harvey Dent himself or find someone that can do it and support them both as Wayne and as Batman. Bruce begins to shift more of his focus on cleaning up Gotham from a humanitarian angle using Wayne Enterprises and his wealth to fight the good fight in the public. Things take a turn for the worse when Wayne Enterprises is accused of violating labor laws and economic scandal. Bruce will have the fight of his life as he is challenged as both Batman and Bruce Wayne by Roman Sionis a.k.a. Black Mask and his False Face Society a ruthless gang of disfigured members who have all been tortured and brainwashed and want to control the illegal crime activity in Gotham City. As well as the fact the Batman is now public enemy number one. The employee from TDK who found blueprints for Tumbler (BATMOBILE) is found murdered, and Batman is thought to be the culprit trying to protect his identity. This leads to an even greater pressure from the city for Gordon to capture Batman and Gordon himself now doesn’t know who to trust even Batman himself.
A new and mysterious female D.A. emerges Talia Head and sparks the interest of Bruce Wayne and she is secretly Talia al Ghul (Despite not appearing in Batman Begins, where Ra's al Ghul is the main villain, she is mentioned in the novelization when Ra's writes to his daughter in Switzerland and al Ghul's character biography in the DVD special features.) She is a complex character, not quite heroine nor villainess but more of an anti-hero. Talia has brought a team of the remaining League of Shadows Warriors to Gotham City to hunt down the Batman and force him to join them or pay for her father’s death. The League is fully aware that the city has been under siege from the Black Mask and his False Face Society for years.
The Joker was used by the Black Mask who wanted to move in on the mob families in Gotham, to tear apart the structure built up by Sal Maroni and at the same time destroy the influence of Batman. The Black Mask is an older man, very rich, and a rogue member of the league of shadows. After leaving the League he formed the False Face Society who recruited the Joker. Black Mask's most important weapons are fear and intimidation. He is known for his brutal and sadistic torture techniques, especially on the face. He sees the Joker’s purpose was served as he drove the Batman from hero to vigilante in the general public eye, and needs to dispose of the Joker before his identity is revealed. The Black Mask is secretly also a wealthy business man and has the pull to push around Bruce Wayne and also fabricate documents and information. His Intel is unparalleled, he nearly completes a hostile takeover of Wayne Enterprises, and he is a master criminal strategist with vast amount of resources. He was the crime lord of Gotham city for many years as an undercover businessman and was the original target of Ras al Ghul. Black Mask also uses his connections to gather information on his enemies, and then hits them at their weak points, such as family and friends. (ties to Thomas Wayne, and his death) The Black Mask infiltrates Wayne Enterprises and in an attempt to take over the building kills Lucious Fox. Black Mask commits a series of murders disguised as Batman. This plan is complicated by the escape of Joker. Joker finds and seeks revenge on the Black Mask exposing his true identity and scarring him in the process. The False Face Society and the League of Shadows Hunters led by Talia go to war in the streets of Gotham.
Gordon discovers he must find a way to get info out of the Joker, while in Arkham he is receiving treatment from a new doctor Dr. Harleen Quinzel who turns out to be an operative of the Black Mask. The Black Mask is determined to kill the Joker to conceal his identity but the operative does a double cross, and frees the Joker. He then kidnaps Commissioner Gordon and taunts him with enlarged photographs of his wounded (family member), in an attempt to prove that any normal man can go insane after having "one really bad day." The Joker ridicules him as an example of "the average man," a naïve weakling doomed to insanity. Again giving an explanation of the scars on his face to Gordon with a knife pressed to the inside of the Commissioner’s mouth "something like that happened to me you know...I'm not quite sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" The Joker knowing the true identity of Black Mask and his intent on taking over Wayne Enterprises destroys the Wayne tower to announce to Gotham that he is again free and that terror has returned to Gotham.
Climax would be Joker now destroying what’s left of the mob and taking over the reins of The False Face Society. He holds the city for ransom by revealing he has a plan to detonate another bomb similar to what destroys Wayne enterprises.
Batman has to take down False Face Society and stop the Joker while struggling with the conflict of continuing his life as both Batman and Bruce Wayne or accepting the offer from Talia who is determined to have Bruce lead The League of Shadows.Talia ends up stepping in front of bullet meant for Batman as her heart has changed after she has witnessed all the destruction caused by her own fathers hand and that of their followers.
By the end of the movie the citizens of Gotham realize that Batman is the only one who can level the playing field against the powers of the criminally insane and the corrupt powers that be in Gotham City.
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I think it would be interesting to introduce Talia Al-Ghul, The Riddler, and Bane.
If the first movie squeezed in essential external supporting characters like Rachel, Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ra's...and TDK had Joker, Dent, Maroni, and Rachel again...
Then, I think the next movie should definitely have at least 3 external supporting characters. If you consider Talia more as a female companion/interest for Batman, she could replace Batman's emotional connection to the criminal and outside world. This addition of Talia would be inspired by The Riddler's comic book connections with the League of Shadows.
Therefore, you need one more antagonist. Someone minor, but pivotal to the story or connected to the other characters, like Sal Maroni in TDK or Falcone in BB. I'm thinking they should incorporate Hush. He also has had connections with the Ghuls at
one point.
I think a more down-to-earth version of the Lazarus Pit can definitely add new development to the Riddler and Bane characters. IF, they decide to use it in the way that I can envision it (keep reading). I'd love for them to incorporate a comic-inspired storyline where Riddler and Talia Al-Ghul are in cohoots, where he's blackmailing her on the side for "Lazarus Pit" drugs to keep him alive. Of course, this would be at the same time, biding his time while he's out leaving deadly"riddles" out for people to solve in a large scale, Jigsaw fashion.
Bane could simply turn into a "Lazarus Pit" experiment gone wrong. Hush would, of course (as inspired by the comics), be Riddler's personal physician throughout the movie and only "becomes" Hush near the end of the movie. I would think that he should be the one to ultimately kill Riddler before (apparently) killing himself. Bane should stay alive. Talia dies.
My initial vision of Bane is closer to one of the incarnations where, he wasn't an abnormally large or muscular individual. Surely, he NEEDS to be significantly larger than a typical larger athlete, but my vision has this guy being pumped with a mixture of illegal drugs mixed with mysterious organic compounds (only found in "Lazarus Pits") that gives him extended and accelerated adrenaline and the sensation of NO pain. The "Venom" title can be incorporated later.
Imagine a Spanish ninja-criminal, 6'4" and 300lbs, on 100 Redbulls, and feels no pain.
This is what my Bane would be. It's more effective to take a great 6' tall actor and make him look bigger than to take a weak, 7' actor and just have him look angry.
I'm sure he'd look fine without the venom tanks in his head, but the only issue that I can see would be to try and work around his mask. BINGO. This is where Talia and the League of Shadows comes in. He could be wearing something as simple as a modified ninja mask. The typical luchadore/dominatrix mask might not work. tongue
One of my oldest ideas was for Bane to be Talia's true love interest and a series of events of betrayal leads him to becoming this unstoppable force, only becoming "Bane" near the end of the second act. His role in the movie should be only as large as Scarecrow's role in Batman Begins, but he definitely shouldn't be killed off.
These are some early acting ideas:
Talia (Rachel Weisz/Marion Cotillard) - I chose her because of her acting, dark, European looks, her native accent, and her age. Olivia Wilde wouldn't be too bad either. Marion could be particularly of interest as she appears in Nolan, "Inception" next year.
Riddler (Josephn Gordon-Levitt) - Like Cotillard, Nolan has Joseph Gordon Levitt in Inception. If 500 Days of Summer is any indication, JGL has the charisma to carry a movie. He has a sort of a preppy, know-it-all, yet vulnerable look. He has a smaller, leaner frame reminiscent of most Riddler incarnations.
Hush (Jeremy Renner) - Chose him because he's an established, yet unknown actor who can embody a strong-willed, dark insanity within an otherwise normal exterior of a physician and fighter. He's of similar build and age as Christian Bale, so they could be interesting adversaries of Bruce and Batman alike.
Bane (Javier Bardem) - I want Bane to be 100% Spanish if he's put into the movie. Well, maybe not 100%, but should be played by a Spanish actor. Bane's role doesn't need to very large, so Javier might seem a bit too pricey of an actor. If you can find a cheaper Spanish actor or even Spanish-LOOKING actor with a frame close to Javier's, be my guest.
If the first movie squeezed in essential external supporting characters like Rachel, Falcone, Scarecrow, and Ra's...and TDK had Joker, Dent, Maroni, and Rachel again...
Then, I think the next movie should definitely have at least 3 external supporting characters. If you consider Talia more as a female companion/interest for Batman, she could replace Batman's emotional connection to the criminal and outside world. This addition of Talia would be inspired by The Riddler's comic book connections with the League of Shadows.
Therefore, you need one more antagonist. Someone minor, but pivotal to the story or connected to the other characters, like Sal Maroni in TDK or Falcone in BB. I'm thinking they should incorporate Hush. He also has had connections with the Ghuls at
one point.
I think a more down-to-earth version of the Lazarus Pit can definitely add new development to the Riddler and Bane characters. IF, they decide to use it in the way that I can envision it (keep reading). I'd love for them to incorporate a comic-inspired storyline where Riddler and Talia Al-Ghul are in cohoots, where he's blackmailing her on the side for "Lazarus Pit" drugs to keep him alive. Of course, this would be at the same time, biding his time while he's out leaving deadly"riddles" out for people to solve in a large scale, Jigsaw fashion.
Bane could simply turn into a "Lazarus Pit" experiment gone wrong. Hush would, of course (as inspired by the comics), be Riddler's personal physician throughout the movie and only "becomes" Hush near the end of the movie. I would think that he should be the one to ultimately kill Riddler before (apparently) killing himself. Bane should stay alive. Talia dies.
My initial vision of Bane is closer to one of the incarnations where, he wasn't an abnormally large or muscular individual. Surely, he NEEDS to be significantly larger than a typical larger athlete, but my vision has this guy being pumped with a mixture of illegal drugs mixed with mysterious organic compounds (only found in "Lazarus Pits") that gives him extended and accelerated adrenaline and the sensation of NO pain. The "Venom" title can be incorporated later.
Imagine a Spanish ninja-criminal, 6'4" and 300lbs, on 100 Redbulls, and feels no pain.
This is what my Bane would be. It's more effective to take a great 6' tall actor and make him look bigger than to take a weak, 7' actor and just have him look angry.
I'm sure he'd look fine without the venom tanks in his head, but the only issue that I can see would be to try and work around his mask. BINGO. This is where Talia and the League of Shadows comes in. He could be wearing something as simple as a modified ninja mask. The typical luchadore/dominatrix mask might not work. tongue
One of my oldest ideas was for Bane to be Talia's true love interest and a series of events of betrayal leads him to becoming this unstoppable force, only becoming "Bane" near the end of the second act. His role in the movie should be only as large as Scarecrow's role in Batman Begins, but he definitely shouldn't be killed off.
These are some early acting ideas:
Talia (Rachel Weisz/Marion Cotillard) - I chose her because of her acting, dark, European looks, her native accent, and her age. Olivia Wilde wouldn't be too bad either. Marion could be particularly of interest as she appears in Nolan, "Inception" next year.
Riddler (Josephn Gordon-Levitt) - Like Cotillard, Nolan has Joseph Gordon Levitt in Inception. If 500 Days of Summer is any indication, JGL has the charisma to carry a movie. He has a sort of a preppy, know-it-all, yet vulnerable look. He has a smaller, leaner frame reminiscent of most Riddler incarnations.
Hush (Jeremy Renner) - Chose him because he's an established, yet unknown actor who can embody a strong-willed, dark insanity within an otherwise normal exterior of a physician and fighter. He's of similar build and age as Christian Bale, so they could be interesting adversaries of Bruce and Batman alike.
Bane (Javier Bardem) - I want Bane to be 100% Spanish if he's put into the movie. Well, maybe not 100%, but should be played by a Spanish actor. Bane's role doesn't need to very large, so Javier might seem a bit too pricey of an actor. If you can find a cheaper Spanish actor or even Spanish-LOOKING actor with a frame close to Javier's, be my guest.
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i dont really want to see the riddler that much, or if they do have him, i think it should just be as edward nygma and he isnt the riddler yet (unless they already did that in TDK, with the bank manager???). it would feel like a joker knock-off though. i think a really cool idea would be to bring back ras al ghul without explanation, but i guess that wouldnt work because hes not immortal in the movies, its not a scifi like the comic.
i know nolan and bale said they wouldnt do the whole robin thing, but i think it would be cool if htey just set up the character (although not have be a teen). it could be really cool seeing batman with a sidekick in the movie, although it would be pretty hard to make the robin suit look even remotely cool or practical like the batsuit). harley quinn could be interesting but the way heath ledger did the joker, i cant imagine him having a girlfriend.
i know nolan and bale said they wouldnt do the whole robin thing, but i think it would be cool if htey just set up the character (although not have be a teen). it could be really cool seeing batman with a sidekick in the movie, although it would be pretty hard to make the robin suit look even remotely cool or practical like the batsuit). harley quinn could be interesting but the way heath ledger did the joker, i cant imagine him having a girlfriend.
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That's where I think Harley Quinn could work quite well. In a way where the audience think they know the character of the Joker and yet he surprises them by forming a relationship with someone. Albeit an unhealthy relationship with someone who's clearly off her rocker. But still, I think it would be nice to see some sort of demented affection between them two.
Plus, if they do recast the Joker, it would give the actor who takes on the role a chance to put their own spin on how they portray the relationship.
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Harley isn't really Joker's girlfriend. He doesn't return the love she gives him. She is just as much a victim of the Joker.
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I agree and disagree with what you are saying. Whilst the Joker does not love Harley as much as she loves him, I think there is some sort of twisted affection there. He is very possessive of her and lets her get away with alot more than anyone else.
I think that Paul Dini has also stated somewhere that "He loves her as much as he can".
In my opinion, I would describe the relationship between Harley, Joker and Batman as similar to that of a child , a playmate and a favourite toy.
If the playmate (Harley) isn't present, the child (Joker) will happily play with the favourite toy (Batman).
Likewise if the favourite toy isn't present, the child will happily play with the playmate.
However, if the playmate tries to play with the favourite toy or looks set to harm it, the child can get nasty towards the playmate.
Does that make sense.
I think that Paul Dini has also stated somewhere that "He loves her as much as he can".
In my opinion, I would describe the relationship between Harley, Joker and Batman as similar to that of a child , a playmate and a favourite toy.
If the playmate (Harley) isn't present, the child (Joker) will happily play with the favourite toy (Batman).
Likewise if the favourite toy isn't present, the child will happily play with the playmate.
However, if the playmate tries to play with the favourite toy or looks set to harm it, the child can get nasty towards the playmate.
Does that make sense.
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It does. And I think that is a great way of putting it 
I agree and disagree with what you are saying. Whilst the Joker does not love Harley as much as she loves him, I think there is some sort of twisted affection there. He is very possessive of her and lets her get away with alot more than anyone else.
I think that Paul Dini has also stated somewhere that "He loves her as much as he can".
In my opinion, I would describe the relationship between Harley, Joker and Batman as similar to that of a child , a playmate and a favourite toy.
If the playmate (Harley) isn't present, the child (Joker) will happily play with the favourite toy (Batman).
Likewise if the favourite toy isn't present, the child will happily play with the playmate.
However, if the playmate tries to play with the favourite toy or looks set to harm it, the child can get nasty towards the playmate.
Does that make sense.
Yes I get what you are saying too. I love the analogy.
I remember scenes like this from the animated series.
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wtf?
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Why do people keep thinking the bank manager is more than just a bank manager?
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Wasn't the guy that worked for Wayne Enterprise rumored to become either Mr. Freeze or The Riddler?
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Yea, simply because he is called Mr Reese. Mysteries! Get it!! 
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I've been rattling around with a Bane-Riddler-Hush-Talia Al Ghul story in my head for days now.
I'll probably get something proper written out, but, once it's finished, I'd like some feedback!
I'll probably get something proper written out, but, once it's finished, I'd like some feedback!
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Of course.
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Yea, simply because he is called Mr Reese. Mysteries! Get it!!
LOL OMG WTF?! Really?! That's CRAZY!
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the harley/joker/bats analogy really does work
what if mr freezes suit is like a dessert enviroment noek mode? it lowers the tempature in the suit to what ever the wearer reqirs, so if youinthe middle of death valley wearing this thing, you could be cool as if you were in the midwest in fall
what if mr freezes suit is like a dessert enviroment noek mode? it lowers the tempature in the suit to what ever the wearer reqirs, so if youinthe middle of death valley wearing this thing, you could be cool as if you were in the midwest in fall
Slow down.
Before you talk about casting villains you need to first deduce what the third film will be about in broad terms.
For instance, BB was about fear. Bruce's struggle with his own fears, his conquering of those fears, and his utilization of those fears as a force for good. The scarecrow was much like Batman in that he was manipulating fear to serve his own goals, just like Batman learned to do during his training with Ra's. Ra's was the person responsible for enabling Bruce to overcome his fears by "becoming his worst fear."
TDK was about order, chaos, and chance. Batman representing order, the Joker chaos, and Two Face chance. The Joker operates with no rules (ie. no integrity) and seeks to force those with integrity (Batman and Dent) to go against their idealistic rules. Once those rules are broken and gone, there is a vacuum where chance becomes the dominate force. By the end of the film Dent is motivated purely by chance and Batman must stretch the limits of his integrity by saving the Joker from death and becoming the scapegoat for Dent's crimes. Like Alfred says, he's not being a hero he's being something more.
These things were already discussed, but the recap is important b/c before you can think about which villains will show up in the third film, you have to figure out what it will be in broad terms. Only then can you uncover who the villains will be.
That's why people who say "I think X, Y , and Z should be in the next film" are looking at things on a superficial level. Before you can even mention the villains you need to first state what you think the film will be about in broad terms.
Before you talk about casting villains you need to first deduce what the third film will be about in broad terms.
For instance, BB was about fear. Bruce's struggle with his own fears, his conquering of those fears, and his utilization of those fears as a force for good. The scarecrow was much like Batman in that he was manipulating fear to serve his own goals, just like Batman learned to do during his training with Ra's. Ra's was the person responsible for enabling Bruce to overcome his fears by "becoming his worst fear."
TDK was about order, chaos, and chance. Batman representing order, the Joker chaos, and Two Face chance. The Joker operates with no rules (ie. no integrity) and seeks to force those with integrity (Batman and Dent) to go against their idealistic rules. Once those rules are broken and gone, there is a vacuum where chance becomes the dominate force. By the end of the film Dent is motivated purely by chance and Batman must stretch the limits of his integrity by saving the Joker from death and becoming the scapegoat for Dent's crimes. Like Alfred says, he's not being a hero he's being something more.
These things were already discussed, but the recap is important b/c before you can think about which villains will show up in the third film, you have to figure out what it will be in broad terms. Only then can you uncover who the villains will be.
That's why people who say "I think X, Y , and Z should be in the next film" are looking at things on a superficial level. Before you can even mention the villains you need to first state what you think the film will be about in broad terms.
This is the wrong premise to base a Batman 3 story on. He already struggled with this issue in TDK. He thought about giving up Batman b/c innocents were dying and he wanted Dent to be his successor.
Not only is his girl gone but he's forced to take on the crimes of Dent. But more importantly he stretched the limits of his integrity when he saved the Joker, someone who has no redeeming qualities and can't be rehabilitated. Like it or not, he's fully committed to being Batman now and his act of compassion towards the Joker, which in effect defeated the Joker since he didn't become corrupted, has pushed him beyond the hero point into something much more.
After the events of TDK any reexamination of Wayne wanting to give up Batman will be redundant.
The more interesting issue is whether he will struggle to be Bruce Wayne anymore. Why should he be? He's a fully formed Batman now, becoming more than a hero and his one hope for a normal life, Rachel Dawes, is dead. So why should he go on being Bruce Wayne?
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