The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[RobC]

See I think Penguin would be the easiest to adapt, just an arms dealer who carries an umbrella a lot.

 

[General_Obol]

I know, but its just that the Penguin is just so ridiculous and over the top adapt into Nolan's universe without destroying the Penguin in the comics.

 

[RobC]

Really? I think it'd just be too easy, maybe thats what he means. I mean, the buzz on these boards is always he'll be a British arms dealer who carries an umbrella a lot. I don't think that'd change the comic character, but then again, who knows?

 

[bethehero7404]

A true version of Ra's Al Ghul

 

[Danny No-Shame]

Yeah great

 

[Artistsean]

Why? What is it, specifically, about Mr. Freeze that you hate?

My suggestion would be to NOT have a cryogenic accident, but instead, have whatever real-life medical condition that causes people to respond badly to room temperature.

Hey Artistsean, do you have a link, cuz if they can make that suit look like a Master Cheif's, I'd have a heckuva halloween costume next year...

Here is a link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton

Don't know if this is the armor I saw on the News, the armor they showed looked like a something from a movie. It had an almost Juggernaut looking helmet and was almost like an armadillo armor from a comic book.
The news caster said "Just a few years ago that armor was something from a Sci Fi movie."

Just wish I could find a picture of it.

 

[Artistsean]

Panguin can be done totally seriously.
He is a mafia guy, a serious mobster. Who just happens to be short, chubby, and has a long (Bob Hope like) nose. He also loves birds and especially loves panguins. The name could be a news paper thing.
He could be a mean and vicious killer, hot head.
He also makes sure he and his gang dress their best, top hats and tuxidos. He wears one all the time. Him trying to show that he is somebody special, important, not someone to laugh at.
I see him acting like he isn't in crime, using his nightclub as a front. (like in the cartoon).
His Club is of coarse THE place the Gothem's rich and famouse must be seen at.

Riddler I really see being someone with something like Asperbergers (spelling?) or Autism, if these are even the right conditions. Someone who feels totally compelled to commit his crimes in patterns and maybe even leave clues, but not written down on paper. But physical things that lead back to him.
He isn't compelled to commit crimes, he does that on his own. His crimes range from petty theft, to stealing government secrets, to multiple murders.
This movie would focus on Bruce's keen detective skills, as this time he uses his brain almost the whole time.
I like the bomb thing but it reminds me a little of Die Hard 3 with Jeremy Irons, Simon says.
But I still like the idea.

Mr. Freeze can be done, better than Man-Bat anyway. he is a guy who can't be in room temperature. Must be in cold temps. Thats easy enough and realistic enough.
All we would have to do is put him in some sort of containment suit, something like his comic book armor but without the armor.
His gun shoots a type of anti freeze that freezes people, that is realistic but much harder to belive. So something would have to be done about that I think.
And that might be all.
His motive has always been very realistic, he is madly in love with his wife who is trapped forever in ice (crygenitics, something real too.)
I also see Mr. Freeze as a bigger character to Batman than Clayface or Man-Bat, he is one of his top enemies. Up there with the Joker and Two-Face and Cat Woman, well maybe a step bellow.
His character would be very unfeeling, motivated by pure greafe (spelling?).
Maybe with his wife practically dead he operates on an almost instict, his emotions are totally shut off, shut down. He kills to get his wife one step closer to getting free, although maybe that is only realistic in his head.

Poison Ivy could be an Eco Terrorist who chooses Gothem as her target. She uses chemicals and poisons made by her using Plants. She also grew some genetically altered plants that grow stronger, faster, and in harsher conditions. And are harder to kill.
Her goal is to kill off all people and leave Gothem to her plants. She is even going to sacrafice herself. She could be totally insane too, maybe even thinking she is the living embodyment of Mother Earth. She thinks, litterally, that Mother Earth took human form and is her.
She could has some seveare mental problems, but also be insanely brilliant with plants.

Talia, the gang (or group or whatever Ras was leading), returns. Bruce hears that Ras is back. He soon, or eventually, finds out that the name was picked up by his daughter Talia who is now their leader.
Maybe Bruce even meets her before he finds out she is who she is.
Her goal is to get Bruce to be her husband and lead the team, or at least father her child.

Almost any Batman character is possible, just take the one impossible thing about them and make it more possible like the did with Ras and the pit.

I also love, LOVE, Hugo Strange replacing Krane. Great idea, I'll be bumbed if they don't use it.

Nolan said that he would, if he made sequals, have Joker in the second with Harvey Dent introduced, then Two-Face in the 3rd.
I think most likely that would be it, unless they also introduced Cat Woman. which might not happen if she is under contract with a different studio.
But I see them using Catwoman, Panguin, Riddler, Pison Ivy, before any of the others.

I know they will probably only do 3 films, maybe 4, but I would LOVE a comic based on Nolan's Batman world. a Nolan Batman comic series, showing every character in a more realistic manner.
Even bring back Ras, or have his daughter be the leader now.

 

[SuperestHero]

Nolan said that he would, if he made sequals, have Joker in the second with Harvey Dent introduced, then Two-Face in the 3rd.

No he didn't, that was goyer's rough outline of what a trilogy might be like, he said stuff like joker scarring dent, and that's NOT happening.
your spelling is atrocious, "panguin"?

 

[Artistsean]

I am auditory dislexic, I spell the way it sounds when I don't know the spelling. And i don't care enough to check these.
As soon as Superherohype.com forum gets spell check my spelling will stop being ATROCIOUS.
My spelling isn't really the focus of what I posted.

Anyway, I heard somebody say that. I thought it was Nolan but maybe not. But whoever said that I didn't read much else or didn't hear the rest. So maybe I missed it or maybe I heard a different quote than what you are thinking of.
But I heard that they were planning to introduce Dent in #2 and then Two-Face in #3 which I think makes more sence than Joker and Two-Face in #2.
So i hope they go that rout.


But thats not the point of this thread anyway.

 

[Artistsean]

I wanna see the Killer Croc idea done in a comic, along with the other ideas that have been mentioned.

 

[GL1]

If Dent doesn't transform into Two-Face by the end of #2, then he doesn't really have much of a storyline... and if he transforms into Two-Face, then he has to have at least one or two or three scens AS Two-Face in order o properly identify his character. I see it happening.

Great ideas...

For Mr. Freeze, I wonder if there are any diseases that make people unable to stand room temperatures, or at least extremely uncomfortable.

 

[November Rain]

i'd quite like to see mr freeze as a case where a scientist is dealing with the idea of immortality and he manages it but is unable to cherish it as everything he touches turns to ice (as he steals their kinetic energy to replenish his). He lives to first find a way to cure his wife but after being killed, he looks for a way to not only end everyone else's life but ultimately his own...

the gun can be replaced simply by having him touch things. his additional strength can be derived from the additional kinetic energy he absorbs through objects (causing them to freeze).

he would look very similar to the silver surfer during ultimate extinction with a silvery blue skin tone (hair would have fallen off) and he would just be wearing a jacket and coat to cover his naked form.

 

[regwec]

Most of Batman's Golden Age rogues are pretty plausible, since they tend to be theives and gangsters with particular gimmicks.

A lot of the "updates" espoused here succeed in ruining the characters without actually making them any more realistic. Riddler as a serial killer? Why? Nigma just isn't a particularly homicidal character, and this would be no more realistic than an amoral intellectual who wants to commit "perfect crimes" while dropping elaborate clues out of sheer arrogance.

I think that some characters are better left alone, if a realistic tone is to be adopted. Freeze is pointless without the metaphorical cooling of his blood after the death of his wife; Manbat is pointless if he cannot be a flesh-and-blood inversion of the Batman legend; and The Joker is a lot less fun if nothing can be contrived to transform him from an ordinary man into a biological clown.

The only really worthwhile "fix" I can think of is for Clayface. In his case, I think that an adaptation of his first incarnation, Basil Karlo, would be the most succesful, with Clayface as the vengeful, depressive actor in the same tradition as Theatre of Blood, with a mastery of disguise as a gimmick.

 

[bethehero7404]

I wrote a story with the team up of Scarecrow and Two Face and called it Faces of Fear.

I would love a team up or a separate story with Mad Hatter and Scarecrow

 

[Artistsean]

I would love to see some of these ideas in a Nolan inspired series that made all of Batman's world and enemies more realistic.


I always thought the point of the Joker was to create a sadistic killer who laughs while he kills you and to be sort of the total opposite of Batman.
I think the new take on the joker might work, I'd like it better if he was more swav and fancy dressed but it could still work.

I think Riddler doesn't really need a new take other than to explain why he leaves clues, or patterns that allow someone to track it all the way back to Nigma.
I personally like my own idea of him having some dissorder or neurological thing that makes him do it without meaning, he just can't help it.

Ivy would have to have a little work, as would Freeze. Taking their most impossible features and turning them into something more possible.
Making Ivy an eco terrorist might not make her a heavy hitter but it could still fit in with her character without destroying her.
Freeze might need the most work, take out his armor and turn it into a protective suit because he can't be in room temperature or higher and he becomes a lot more realistic but his freeze gun would have to change to. maybe its alot less sophisticated. Maybe something like a squirt gun full of anti freeze type stuff. i don't know.

Killer Croc is another great take on the character, making him less of a giant lizard man and more a man with deformitties and scars would work perfectly.

Taking the most unreal part of a character and tweaking it works its just figuring out how. Before Batman Begins I would have thought that changing Ras and his pit would have totally changed his character and destroyed him. (I'm a huge Ras fan) and while he wasn't exactly the same, it didn't ruin or mess Ras up really.
That could be done with lots of other characters.

But I agree, Man-Bat must be a living embodyment of what Bruce is, a human bat. Other characters like Clay Face wouldn't really work either unless you went with the serial killer.

As for Panguin (I'm sorry Penguin), Catwoman, they don't need to be touched at all. I think Catwoman and Penguin would transfer completely to film.
Catwoman is just a female version of Batman but where he focused on crime fighting she focused on burglery.
Panguin as I stated is just a mafia boss who has an odd look and an odd personality.

There are a few characters around their creations who are basically human criminals who would transfer well.

What about the Calender Man? Or Falcone's crime family from Long Halloween?

 

[thewhyteman]

Panguin can be done totally seriously.
He is a mafia guy, a serious mobster. Who just happens to be short, chubby, and has a long (Bob Hope like) nose. He also loves birds and especially loves panguins. The name could be a news paper thing.
He could be a mean and vicious killer, hot head.
He also makes sure he and his gang dress their best, top hats and tuxidos. He wears one all the time. Him trying to show that he is somebody special, important, not someone to laugh at.
I see him acting like he isn't in crime, using his nightclub as a front. (like in the cartoon).
His Club is of coarse THE place the Gothem's rich and famouse must be seen at.

I seriously dig this idea. I wouldnt even give him the pointed nose. Jsut make him short and constantly wearing a tux.

Riddler I really see being someone with something like Asperbergers (spelling?) or Autism, if these are even the right conditions. Someone who feels totally compelled to commit his crimes in patterns and maybe even leave clues, but not written down on paper. But physical things that lead back to him.
He isn't compelled to commit crimes, he does that on his own. His crimes range from petty theft, to stealing government secrets, to multiple murders.
This movie would focus on Bruce's keen detective skills, as this time he uses his brain almost the whole time.
I like the bomb thing but it reminds me a little of Die Hard 3 with Jeremy Irons, Simon says.
But I still like the idea.

Someone with autisim isnt going to become a serial killer. Now if schizophrenia was involved that might work.

Mr. Freeze can be done, better than Man-Bat anyway. he is a guy who can't be in room temperature. Must be in cold temps. Thats easy enough and realistic enough.
All we would have to do is put him in some sort of containment suit, something like his comic book armor but without the armor.
His gun shoots a type of anti freeze that freezes people, that is realistic but much harder to belive. So something would have to be done about that I think.
And that might be all.
His motive has always been very realistic, he is madly in love with his wife who is trapped forever in ice (crygenitics, something real too.)
I also see Mr. Freeze as a bigger character to Batman than Clayface or Man-Bat, he is one of his top enemies. Up there with the Joker and Two-Face and Cat Woman, well maybe a step bellow.
His character would be very unfeeling, motivated by pure greafe (spelling?).
Maybe with his wife practically dead he operates on an almost instict, his emotions are totally shut off, shut down. He kills to get his wife one step closer to getting free, although maybe that is only realistic in his head.

There is nothing realistic about someone who has to be in cold tempratures. Mammels need warmth. Thats just how it works. As much as I love the charachter of Mr. Freeze, he simply wouldnt work with that characterisitc. I like the other idea that he just uses mob vicitims as practice.

 

[Artistsean]

I seriously dig this idea. I wouldnt even give him the pointed nose. Jsut make him short and constantly wearing a tux.

Thanks, glad you like it. Penguin is one of those characters who is basically just a human criminal. So he is already fit for film.

Someone with autisim isnt going to become a serial killer. Now if schizophrenia was involved that might work.

I am not saying the Asbergers or Autism makes him commit crimes. I am saying he is a criminal who happens to be Autistic or something that almost forces him to leave patterns and clues that lead back to him at his crimes. Without the Asbergers or whatever he would have that makes him leave clues he would still be a criminal and a killer.
I got the idea from a Law and Order Criminal Intent episode where the guy from Perfect Strangers played a killer who had Asbergers or something like it. He didn't mean to but he committed his crimes in a pattern.
Watching the show I thought it reminded me of the Riddler, very smart but he couldn't help but leave behind a pattern.

But the schizophrenia idea would work too. But Would it force him to leave clues or patterns that would lead back to him?

There is nothing realistic about someone who has to be in cold tempratures. Mammels need warmth. Thats just how it works. As much as I love the charachter of Mr. Freeze, he simply wouldnt work with that characterisitc. I like the other idea that he just uses mob vicitims as practice.

Very true, I really don't think there is a way either but I have tried. He is a great character and I would have loved to see him done right in a film. Maybe played by Christopher Lloyd.

 

[WorthyStevens]

The Mad Hatter.

 

[thewhyteman]

Thanks, glad you like it. Penguin is one of those characters who is basically just a human criminal. So he is already fit for film.




I am not saying the Asbergers or Autism makes him commit crimes. I am saying he is a criminal who happens to be Autistic or something that almost forces him to leave patterns and clues that lead back to him at his crimes. Without the Asbergers or whatever he would have that makes him leave clues he would still be a criminal and a killer.
I got the idea from a Law and Order Criminal Intent episode where the guy from Perfect Strangers played a killer who had Asbergers or something like it. He didn't mean to but he committed his crimes in a pattern.
Watching the show I thought it reminded me of the Riddler, very smart but he couldn't help but leave behind a pattern.

But the schizophrenia idea would work too. But Would it force him to leave clues or patterns that would lead back to him?




Very true, I really don't think there is a way either but I have tried. He is a great character and I would have loved to see him done right in a film. Maybe played by Christopher Lloyd.

Yeah its to bad that (name whom I will not mention) casted Arnold for Freeze. What a waste of an oppertunity to at least have a visually correct attempt at the character. I think Lloyd would make a cool Freeze. I think Ben Kingsly would rock as well.


With the Riddler,
Autism could be used but its not consistant. Autistic persons usally have horrible social skills. So I dont see much past throwing a temper tant comming out of the lack the emotional intelligence. However they have a lack of empathy, so it could be pulled off. There have been ties between Asbergers and murder, but they were one time events. Im not sure if there is any documentaion of a serial killer who was Autisitc.
Asbergers would be intersting, especailly if the charachter sufferd from the clumsyness that experts document from the disorder.

Most serial killers have either tramatic child hood events,(brain damage or emotional) or genitc deformities such as a malfunctioning serotonin system. I like the version that described him being a Psychologist at first.
Now say he suffers a brain lesion. Some people have complete change in thier personality and often become violent. Now couple that with a background in psychology, I think you gots one messed up individual.

 

[the gael]

Mr Freeze. He was such an interesting villian in BTAS. So tragic and nihilistic. But I think he was a villian for tim burton, and doesn't really fit in the nolan verse.

Same for clayface.

I'm so sad and furious that schumacher ****ed him up so badly.

 

[The Shredder]

Catwoman, and The Penguin (played by Bob Hoskins).

 

[Art Damage]

ARNOLD IN HIS GLORIOUS REPRISE AS MR. FREEZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

 

[Victarion]

Killer Croc
Talia Al Ghul (in a Batman film)
Clayface
Mr. Freeze

---Morzan

 

[Rogles]

Deadshot would work pretty well with few changes. He's an assassin/gun fighter with some gadgets (sorta like Batman). Though he's not very popular and most people don't know him, he could work in a henchman role. It would be awesome to see Batman fight toe to toe with someone who has a suit and gadgets like him.

 

[Artistsean]

isn't that sort of what Catwoman is?
She is like him with a suit and gadgets, but she uses them for crime instead of good.
Right?

I could see Deadshot working, especially as a henchmen.

In fact thats how I can see some of the characters being brought in,
Hugo Strange is Crain's replacement at Arkaham. Just seen in the background and walking around Arkaham, maybe has a small scene with dialogue.

Firefly is a henchmen who is a pyro maybe.
One of the Mafia guy's henchmen or hired gun.
His name is Garfield Lynns but everyone just calls him Firefly.
He is around the character's height, same hair color. maybe even a fire ******ant suit similar enough to the comic while still looking real.
He isn't really focused on though.

Or Deadshot, like you mentioned, an assassin brought in because he like Batman has a suit and gadgets. But he would not have much focus and little screen time.
Even if they took that Killer Croc idea and made him a small cameo character (a gangster who is all scarred or tattooed up with sharp teeth). That would be cool.

What about someone like Killer Moth, who started out as a career criminal who was just terrible. Showing Batman taking down a few criminals besides the main bad guy might be cool, Killer Moth could fit into that. So could the original Clayface, the serial killer actor who used a clay mask.

I could see some bit characters like Hugo or Firefly or Deadshot making their way into the films. Even if they are bit parts that would be pretty cool. Sort of how Falcone did.

Even shwoing them in a very short scene where they are being brought in by the cops or something. Although that might seem too short.




What about any other characters you wouldn't mind or would love to see as cameos in the films?
How would you change them for that?
Or
Are there any characters you wouldn't want to see as cameos or characters that just wouldn't work as cameos because they need more screen time?