The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

His master plan should be as follows. Bane is very interested in gotham. I would love to see Bane trying to create a new gotham(an anarky, not chaos, but a self governing body). Bane will sacrifice thousands in order to create the ideal Utopia. In his future society only the strong will survive.

He will try to bring gotham back into poverty, destroy the government, kill those in power and those who oppose, and destroy the one true icon of gotham(batman). Bane should think he is the leader of a movement(like a cult), not the ruler. Bane is a man of patience, power, and precision, if adapted I would like to see him use a unique fighting style(mixed martial art, but with an artistic touch), and I would like to see him meditating during the movie.
 
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This is just an idea, but I believe it too confusing and would need explaining thus a bad idea.
It would be great if bane was ra's al ghuls contingency plan. After bruce burnt down his(ra's) house he found Bane. When he met Bane he began training him.

That's not confusing, lol. I had thought of something similar: Ras called Bruce "His best student," or something along those lines, what if Bane was Ras' #1 guy BEFORE Bruce came along, thus giving Bane a need to prove himself superior.
 
I changed what I wrote and forgot to submit look at my last comment.

Personally I think referencing back and explaining is not good for the story. The good thing about the joker is he referenced his past, but changed it every time.
 
Just read your idea, it sounds really good; Nolan could do a lot with that.
 
Yeah. . . I just drew a concept. mostly for the mask.
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Hope you like it. I envision him wearing a messed up metal mask, a low cut bulletproof vest, and tactical pants.
When you focus on the eyes he looks best.

I would love Red Bloodshot eyes on him.

Ill draw a full size uber muscly version with color next.

Jonathan and chris nolan have the mitus touch.
 
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i'd love if the riddler was kind of like his Long Halloween incarnation, just a weaselly man who wants to show he's smarter than everyone.
 
Bane's completely adaptable. The red bloodshot eyes will take the place of red lenses. Instead of a cloth mask he could wear a bulletproof one, as well as a bulletproof vest. tactical black pants, and wears an overcoat some times.
 
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Yeah. . . I just drew a concept. mostly for the mask.
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Hope you like it. I envision him wearing a messed up metal mask, a low cut bulletproof vest, and tactical pants.
When you focus on the eyes he looks best.

I would love Red Bloodshot eyes on him.

Ill draw a full size uber muscly version with color next.

Jonathan and chris nolan have the mitus touch.

Nice work, I like it. As I've said before, I think that Bane is the only villain that could be as threatening as Ras or The Joker.

Now, when he injects himself with venom, do you think he has to have that cord going from his head to his arm? I personally wouldn't mind if he used a shot (a seringe). Just talking in terms of realism.
 
True. I drew a second concept that looks more like banes mask and I'm working on a third. I think it would be cool if he had the IV hookups already in. One in his heart and one on his neck. It would be cool to see him with track lines from shooting up too.
 
Mister Freeze

Dr. Victor Fries is a specialist in cryogenics. In college, he meets a woman named Nora, whom he falls in love with and ultimately marries. Nora later falls terminally ill. Freeze takes on a job working for a large company run by the ruthless Ferris Boyle. Freeze discovers a way to put Nora into cryo-stasis (using company equipment without permission), and places her in that state hoping to sustain her until a cure could be found. Boyle finds out about the experiment and attempts to have her brought out of cryo-stasis, overruling Victor's frantic objections. A struggle ensues, in which Boyle men accidentally injure Victor with liquid nitrogen.
Victor Fries survives but ends up horribly crippled. He has lost his hair and eyebrows, and his lungs and eyes are permanently damaged by the inhalation of cold nitrogen. He end up forever prisoner of two air bottles and his skin began to take a blue shade due to the lack of oxygenation (cyanosis). Victor builds a metal suit (with red glasses to protect his eyes) to allow him to walk freely with his oxygen bottles (in a way that allow him to consume as less oxygen as he can during the "action" because it could probably kill him or incapacitate him due to his ill lungs). Having become Mister Freeze, Victor decides to take revenge against Boyle. He begins to murder Boyle industries employees and shareholder with a crossbow that shoots ice arrows.
After killing his victims, each arrow melts, making proofs (fingerprints...) disappearing. This version of mister Freeze looks very similar to TDK Two Face. So I can only see him working if Nolan need Bruce Wayne try to redeem himself for not having be able to save Harvey by trying to save Mister Freeze.
 
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It seems too out of this world. It's more realistic that a scientist goes on a rampage with liquid nitrogen, because his wife is unable to receive treatment, just strait up "John Q" style.
 
Mister Freeze

Dr. Victor Fries is a specialist in cryogenics. In college, he meets a woman named Nora, whom he falls in love with and ultimately marries. Nora later falls terminally ill. Freeze takes on a job working for a large company run by the ruthless Ferris Boyle. Fries discovers a way to put Nora into cryo-stasis (using company equipment without permission), and places her in that state hoping to sustain her until a cure could be found. Boyle finds out about the experiment and attempts to have her brought out of cryo-stasis, overruling Victor's frantic objections. A struggle ensues, in which Boyle men accidentally injure Victor with liquid nitrogen.
Victor Fries survives but ends up horribly crippled. He has lost his hair and eyebrows, and his lungs and eyes are permanently damaged by the inhalation of cold nitrogen. He end up forever prisoner of two air bottles and his skin began to take a blue shade due to the lack of oxygenation (cyanosis). Victor builds a metal suit (with red glasses to protect his eyes) to allow him to walk freely with his oxygen bottles (in a way that allow him to consume as less oxygen as he can during the "action" because it could probably kill him or incapacitate him due to his ill lungs). Having become Mister Freeze, Victor decides to take revenge against Boyle. He begins to murder Boyle industries employees and shareholder with a crossbow that shoots ice arrows.
After killing his victims, each arrow melts, making proofs (fingerprints...) disappearing. This version of mister Freeze looks very similar to TDK Two Face. So I can only see him working if Nolan needs Bruce Wayne try to redeem himself for not having be able to save Harvey by trying to save Mister Freeze.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. That's the way it should be done. I especially agree with the parts in bold, and the underlined are those I think are essential and required. Great ideas BTW, the cyanosis for the blue skin it's a nice touch, and would be a logic result of the lack of oxygen. I would add that Fries suffers a pre-existent condition, CIPA (Congenital Insensitivity to Pain with Anhidrosis), which means Fries cannot feel anything: neither pain, nor heat, nor cold. He has lived with it all his life, with the care that is necessary in those cases; for example: continually checking his temperature to check he doesn't have a fever. As a direct consequence of this, after the accident, he barely survives, and needs to keep the same temperature level at all times to avoid thermal shock. Being used to working for a very long time in very low temperatures in his lab, he figures out he needs to keep those low temperatures or his body functions will stop stop from hyperthermia, and he will die.

As you can see, there is a minor tweak in the science here, namely the extremely high improbability of Fries surviving to the accident, or the fact that Suspended Animation researches aren't that advances to ensure living body can be maintained in cryo-stasis for more than a few hours. But this tweaking is really minor and no more "sci-fi" than other elements already added in Nolan's franchise. What is important is that it leaves you with a sensation of realism, and that's what matters. VERY well done, Gael.



It seems too out of this world. It's more realistic that a scientist goes on a rampage with liquid nitrogen, because his wife is unable to receive treatment, just strait up "John Q" style.

I can't agree here. I think Fries' health condition is essential to his character and needs to be in any adaptation. To achieve all he achieves under his life-threatening condition shows how resolute he is about his purpose (which should be one and only one: saving his wife's life... NEVER mere revenge).
And then there's the matter of the liquid nitrogen? I amuses how people want to change things like Fries' motives or his condition, but want to keep the freezing weapon. Why would anyone ever use weaponized liquid nitrogen? Is it logic? Why freeze things up if there are many other kinds of regular weapons, more accesible, more effective, cheaper and easier to handle?
I can get behind the idea about him freezing (some of) his victims to preserve their organs, though. And I once thought about him carrying a liquid nitrogen tank for certain specific purposes, like breaking in some facility, and then being confronted and THEN incidentally using it as a weapon... much like Anton Chigurgh in NCFOM, with the compressed air tank. But I really can't see anyone wanting to use a weaponized freezing tool as his main weapon, just because...
 
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It seems that, for nolan, every "costumed" guys are a symbol. Some are evident, some are not.

Batman = the order of justice
The joker = the exact opposite : the nihilism, the chaos and destruction
Two face = the ambivalence of humanity
scarecrow = the terrorism, the power by the terror and fear
Ra's al ghul = the eternity of duel between good and evil

this is what I can imagine of future characters :

Catwoman = the passion, passionnal love. The thing that can destroy you or save you (and will probably do both for batman)

The Riddler = the game, the duel, how a small little game will turn a murderous duel by escalation.

mister freeze = this one is the coldest and most frightening symbol you could think of (and it's the last) at 0°K, every reaction stopped, everything is frozen... Everything is dead. A dead man walking driven by nothing except his inner desire of revenge. Mister freeze is the grim reaper, the last messenger, the death
 
I think the deal with Mr. Freeze is that he is actually trying to preserve Life. In his wife, of course. The life of a loved one, his only loved one. Most of the other revenge-driven villains (Two-Face comes to mind) act out of complete egoism, but Freeze actually has something to fight for, to destroy and kill for, and that's the life of an innocent person, his significant other. Imagine what Harvey Dent would have done if Rachel was still alive? Well, that's Fries, only ten times more isolated because of his condition. How do you stop a man like that, knowing that putting him in jail probably means dstroying the only hope his wife has?

So, he and Bruce have many similarities. They chose to fight for a just cause using radical methods, only that Freeze actually doesn't have limits like Bruce. And, in the way, he loses his personality, his soul, and everything that once linked him to society. He and Bruce have many things in common. That's what I think Freeze is.

And speaking of Catwoman, she isn't that different either. She choses to detach herself from society by breaking its laws and living a life of a theatrical masked outlaw, like Batman. The difference is that nothing forced her to do that. She chose to do it. She reflects the part of Batman that doesn't believe in rules and feels a profound passion for what he does. The problem is that Batman doesn't quite love the mask, while Catwoman rejoices in her alter ego. It's her biggest strength because it grants her freedom. That's the thing Catwoman should represent: unhibited libido, complete freedom... the rogue cat that cannot be tamed, will always be independent and will never choose any sides.

I thought Nolan's Harvey Dent/Two-Face was more about extreme idealism... how people are governed by extreme ideologies and that takes its toll when circumstances change and they can't adapt into them. He was someone who believed so strongly in the power of justice that when he saw how unjust the world was he felt powerless and decided to enforce that new lack of power. He was a symbol of something, and his ideology was so fanatic that he ironically ended up being a symbol of the opposite thing.

The Riddler is quite simple: he's about competition, and the entitlement of superiority. He has a big but vulnerable ego and thinks he's above everything and everyone, and in his quest for proving he's smarter, more resourceful and deserves a right to do whatever he wants, he ends up destroying many things, or hurting a lot of people. That's why I like so much the big idea here about the Riddler, him working with the justice system, and representing how self-righteousness can be so dangerous when it's present in the governing system. Imagine if in the next Batman movie the bad guys are those in the high levels of law and order. It would be great reversal and the Riddler is more than able to show how dangerous can be to have high officials that feel entitled to do anything and want to prove their superiority, at any cost.

And finally, it's funny that you think Batman is the order of Justice, when he's actually breaking the law. He works outside the system to protect that same system. He breaks the rules in order to enforce them.
 
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A modified version of my last story, but this time it's more complete and i kept my VENOM as is.
VENOM
I'd like to see bane not hulk-bane(recent version in which he goes up dramatically in size after use). Venom should be an opioid, steroid, and epinephrine(adrenaline) mix. It has many good short term effects including enhanced vision, reflexes, increased endurance, numbing of pain, and muscle altering effects. In some users it focuses the mind, allowing for clear thinking even in the toughest combat situations(allowing users to think quicker and solve problems more strategically), although it can cause anxiety, insomnia, and induce hallucinations.
The long term effects include enhanced muscle gain, severe addiction, greatly increased anger(especially in angry people), insanity, and heart failure.
It has less opium in it than morphine, so it is harder to overdose. Sometimes users get artificial hearts(Wayne industries developed the best artificial hearts) so they can take larger amounts, those that have artificial hearts sometimes have it administered directly to the brain and heart. Usually intensifying the effects even more.
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Ok so I decide to modify my bane story.
I drew inspiration from the 80's cocaine phase.

New Story

A man called Black Mask(for wearing a black skull mask), has just taken over the broken mob and reformed it. Not much is known about him, but he is known for his sadistic, stylistic, and self described artistic murders. He is brutal and does not tolerate failure. He has changed the focus of the mob, from making a small profit and hiding. To dealing drugs(including venom, murdering people publicly, and being overall against any morality(in image of the joker somewhat). His identity is unknown and right now is MCU's most wanted man. He took over rather easily since all other mob leaders are dead or in hiding. Black mask is similar to tony montana in the fact that he uses the drugs he distributes.

He gets his drugs and guns from a woman named Pamela Isly(dubbed poison ivy by he colleagues, an obvious play on her name). She is a drug importer and distributor. She has an overall hate for humanity. This may be the reason that she deals drugs(to kill off the human race quicker). Think of her as a radical hippie who doesn't like to kill people directly. She has recently got a shipment of a drug street named "VENOM". She is distributing it all over gotham, and the effects are apparent.

It causes anger, causing people to act more violently and irrationally. The crime rates are sky rocketing. It was made by scientist like acid, but it was made for soldiers, not anything else. The company that made it is Janus Industries. It's part of there CEO Roman Sionis'(a suspected mob member) Warfare line of drugs and medicines. It was deemed a failure by the government(due to the psychological effects and addiction result), and is illegal for recreational use. There CEO had already green lighted mass producing it, so the company is naturally running out of business. The CEO(roman) has began dealing under the table(to poison ivy) for personal gain. When he is caught by the police, he sentenced to a court date. He is suffering severe emotional problems. Wayne enterprises offers to buy Janus Inc. and all stock holders sell, and eventually roman sells his stocks.

Somewhat after Roman goes missing, presumed dead, possibly suicide. Lately black mask is seen all the time. He has become known by almost all of gotham.

The amount of violent crimes in gotham is continuing to go up. Many users of "VENOM", have joined a cult like following simply called the "MOVEMENT". The movement idolize, respect, and almost worship there leader called "BANE". He is heavily addicted to venom(having track marks at first, then implants, and in the final of the film IV's hooked up to him, administering almost constantly). He has visions for a new gotham. One not controlled by the government. He calls this new gotham No Man's Land. He has been killing off highly ranked officials, govt officers, cops, and highly regarded people in gotham in hopes of creating this gotham. His ultimate goal is to kill gotham's idol(batman) and ultimately bring on a rebirth. Bane has an artificial heart and the implants by the end of the story.

During the story batman reveals that black mask is roman sionis, and roman never returns to his old life.

The final battle could be one of these or something else.
It could go to ways, either tesla's earthquake machine(which could be a machine used for blasting out large underground caverns such underground railways and sewers), with remote activated bombs, or the distribution of venom via another way. In both stories bane will fight and injure batman about halfway, and will release all inmates at arhkam as contingency plan.

In the end it seems batman will always be batman and he accepts this as a responsibility. He will learn that it is no longer a promise for his parents, but now a unspoken promise to gotham.


take it how you will
 
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Mister Freeze

Dr. Victor Fries is a specialist in cryogenics. In college, he meets a woman named Nora, whom he falls in love with and ultimately marries. Nora later falls terminally ill. Freeze takes on a job working for a large company run by the ruthless Ferris Boyle. Freeze discovers a way to put Nora into cryo-stasis (using company equipment without permission), and places her in that state hoping to sustain her until a cure could be found. Boyle finds out about the experiment and attempts to have her brought out of cryo-stasis, overruling Victor's frantic objections. A struggle ensues, in which Boyle men accidentally injure Victor with liquid nitrogen.
Victor Fries survives but ends up horribly crippled. He has lost his hair and eyebrows, and his lungs and eyes are permanently damaged by the inhalation of cold nitrogen. He end up forever prisoner of two air bottles and his skin began to take a blue shade due to the lack of oxygenation (cyanosis). Victor builds a metal suit (with red glasses to protect his eyes) to allow him to walk freely with his oxygen bottles (in a way that allow him to consume as less oxygen as he can during the "action" because it could probably kill him or incapacitate him due to his ill lungs). Having become Mister Freeze, Victor decides to take revenge against Boyle. He begins to murder Boyle industries employees and shareholder with a crossbow that shoots ice arrows.
After killing his victims, each arrow melts, making proofs (fingerprints...) disappearing. This version of mister Freeze looks very similar to TDK Two Face. So I can only see him working if Nolan need Bruce Wayne try to redeem himself for not having be able to save Harvey by trying to save Mister Freeze.


I like this.
I've always liked Freeze because he is so similar to Batman. They both are fighting for a just cause, its just that Freeze doesn't operate within the confines of a normal "moral person". He's willing to kill others to save his wife. His whole deal is actually very romantic and passionate.

I'd like to see what Nolan would do with the character. I think he would fit in the Nolan-verse extremely well. The whole scientist bit is a little over played, but I think if done tastefully would work very well.
 
hey has Freeze changed over the years because in Under the Hood he was more of a Hitman for hire.
 
I thought Nolan's Harvey Dent/Two-Face was more about extreme idealism... how people are governed by extreme ideologies and that takes its toll when circumstances change and they can't adapt into them. He was someone who believed so strongly in the power of justice that when he saw how unjust the world was he felt powerless and decided to enforce that new lack of power. He was a symbol of something, and his ideology was so fanatic that he ironically ended up being a symbol of the opposite thing.

I always felt that Dent was less about fanaticism and more about him harbouring a longstanding God-complex. Even in the comics. He is the White Knight, he is the only one who can work within the system to singlehandedly save the city.
In The Long Halloween his motto always seems to be "I did what needed to be done." He sees the business of saving the city as his sole right.
And in Faces he tries to save a whole bunch of people who, like him, are disfigured. But as he changes, his methods of "saving" Gotham grow to include murder and intimidation.
He still has the same goals, but can't see what's changed.
 
I believe all characters can be adapted into the nolanverse.

Mad Hatter could be a psychologist and practicer of haitian voodoo. He prays on the most impressional weakest minds(orphan children).

Killer Croc could be an half indian, half african man who happens to have a skin disease leaving his skin dry and rough. Due to his constant exposure to the sun his skin has become even rougher and wrinkly(a trait witnessed in most farmers and out door laborers). He is partially insane, and rules a gang of lowlifes. He practices the ritualistic cannibalistic ways of his native american tribe(eats brain and heart for knowledge, courage, and strength.

Anarky believes in some of the ways of the joker. He believes the only logical way to lives is without the laws of man. He is a prodigy in most arts and hobbies. He uses his knowledge of technology, kickboxing/ krav maga, and science(physics and chemistry) to rival even batman in a fight. He uses improvised weaponry(anarchist cookbook weaponry, mlotovs, pipebombs, and etc), as well as a compound bow, and a bowie knife.

Catwoman is more or less a thief. She travels the world stealing the biggest and best. She has learned to use the explorers tool, a whip. She has an obsession with cats, that could rival the neighborhoods worst cat lady. When she is abruptly caught by batman, she uses her smarts to get out of the situation. She is unable to steal what she wants. She decides if you can't beat em' join em'. She dons a leather suit, stylistic of a cat and begins stopping minor crimes. Being the thrill seeker she is, she decides to stay as catwoman, but goes back stealing, and claims that it is in her nature.

Clayface is an actor who begins killing famous people and taking over there identities. After a failed career he wants to show everyone he is an amazing actor. He assumes the identities of high class people, when he kills them he destroys there face, burns there finger prints, and removes there teeth, after which he encases them in concrete at his present job of construction worker.

Firefly's origin(its kind of a stretch) is a guy who is literally obsessed with fire. He is an ex. fireworks creator, a amateur welder and knight armorer, he is a very amateur rocket engineer, bad mechanic, and an arsonist. When he sleeps he lights 6 candles, when he wakes lights a fire and begins to drink heavily. Later in the day he tries to sell his terrible get rich quick ideas. After that he goes out at about 10 and lights a public building on fire and calls the fire department. When he gets home he begins experimenting with fire like a child. When wayne ent. creates a rocket pack fueled on diesel gas, he decides to burn that entire room and steal the blueprints. He does this and tries to develop his own(it pulls in air on one side and shoots it out the other). He decides to improve on the design, adding armor and teflon and fire resistant suit. He designs wings similar to the unmanned predator and adds nitrous intake as well as. When he finally decides to add a torch that uses kerosene and oil, the thing becomes vary heavy. He self tests it being only to fly for short amounts of time. In the end he tries to rob a bank , in the process batman stops him . He accidentally makes himself combust burning him severely. He decides to develop a new suit and now has a hate for batman.

I have done riddler before, as well as bane, black mask, deadshot, and poison ivy. Heres the rest(cept ventruiloquist or penguin)
 
you know what I would like to see from the comics, Riddler having an underground gameshow that reveals celebrity secrets some of them leading to suicide or just a combination of that
 
LoL, you are a genius, i really like your bane

thank you, i have a great idea for deadshot, and my riddler is not a good representation of riddler(more anarchic jim morrison, open shirt with a question mark burn on his chest).

I like the idea of bane becoming more and more addicted to venom through the story, first by shooting up(and getting track marks), then getting and I V implant in his arm, soon after he gets an artificial heart and I V implant's feeding his heart and brain directly, and in the final battle he should have I V's feeding him constantly.

i kinda like penguin, but i don't know how to adapt him well. Since I know a lot about organized crime, including gangs, irish mob, sicilian mafia, yakuza, triads, and terrorist orgs. i'll use something from that. The idea of a russian mob arms dealer sounds nice, but a russian mob member would kill a man just to see if his guns working properly, I would rather him be the descendant of a hessian(german) mercenary, turned respectful business man, and millionaire(motherside, very rich) and the son of a chain of a russian specialty gun shop owner(wealthy). He takes after his father and becomes a gun shop owner, but takes it to a greater scale, he thinks of himself not as a villain, but as a diplomatic resolver(get a gun resolve a problem).
Batman hinders his business so resolve the problem.
 
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A thought: the Joker's innocent verdict because of the insanity plea is at least part of the motivation for Catwoman to go about the rooftops of Gotham.
 
True. I drew a second concept that looks more like banes mask and I'm working on a third. I think it would be cool if he had the IV hookups already in. One in his heart and one on his neck. It would be cool to see him with track lines from shooting up too.

Awesome. I'm looking forward to seeing your new pictures.
 
yeah I really need good art utensils though. i'm using sh** color pencils and will probably buy prisma's(good pencils). The 3rd one is coming along. I really hope batman 3 has nolan as director.
 

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