The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

Asif there are real zombies though?

there are, there not mythological characters, zombies are pretty much slaves, there not magical creatures, geeze watch the discovery channel.

Yeah i guess, but I would like the idea of him getting them addicted to drugs, so what do they do stuff for, Drugs, thats all, thats a pretty good way to control people.
 
there are, there not mythological characters, zombies are pretty much slaves, there not magical creatures, geeze watch the discovery channel.

Yeah i guess, but I would like the idea of him getting them addicted to drugs, so what do they do stuff for, Drugs, thats all, thats a pretty good way to control people.
Like the Scarecrow
 
black mask: gotham socialite jealous of bruce wayne's success, and secretly wants to be just like him. he moon lights as a mask wearing mob boss. after his failing company is acquired by wayne enterprises, he goes insane and grows more jealous of wayne. burns his mansion down,just like wayne did, but with his fiance and parents trapped inside. he's wearing the mask at the time, and it's burnt on to his face. to get back at wayne he uses his mob thugs to kidnap and murder wayne enterprises's board members.

this will definitely bring morgan freeman back in a much bigger role.
 
I don't really like the idea of it getting burnt to his face, his seems more fitting to have it welded around his head or something along those lines, possibly by a competing mob boss, then he becomes black mask forever.
By the way, I guess scarecrow used drugs, but it seemed like he scared most of them with his toxin, and paid some. But seriously an army of kids would be a pretty hard threat to fight, another idea, in some sewers there are extreme noxious fumes, what if killer croc was personified by them, you know since he lives in the sewer, it causes people to hallucinate somewhat.
 
I quite like the idea of the hallucinations causing people to see Killer Croc in his mutated state, similar to when we saw Crane's perception of Batman in BB - but I doubt Nolan would integrate Croc into the next film as he just stands out too much as a whole.
 
I mean imagine what a big a** guy with a skin disease, covered in green stuff, and he is dirty as hell would look like on drugs.
 
ogod, thats a way of doing it, and bats sees him tht way when he gets a wif of cranes new stuff earlier in the film!
 
You guys sound like you're just repeating what happened in Batman: Gotham Knight.

Not necessarily a bad thing.

What do people think of the movie's writers looking towards The Animated Series as an inspiration behind certain villains? I know if Freeze is used, as doubtful as it is, his DCU version is a definite.
 
didnt his dcau origin get incorperated into the comics?

well, croc really did look monsterous in b:gk and he had the toxin as like a venom of sorts, it was in his very saliva, were saying make him like the croc from joker, but kinda green, though for me thats kinda optional, the gas would make him look like a real monster, all green and crocodilian
 
never saw all of gotham knight, ive only seen deadshot and I was extremely sad, I would rather have wanted deadshot to yell kill meeeeee, than oh mr batman pls dont hurt me. Oh and i saw that thanks to my brother, i didnt buy it. plus his mask looked dumb, but the long shot he took was cool, what did croc look like?
I don't know about the dcu versions, plus I trust the nolan brothers can come up with a great, fresh concept and story, p.s. if deadshot is used I want his character to pay homage to westerns, the way he shoots and what not.

I am not convinced that riddler is a great villain as of now.

I would love to see a scene with black mask, if he is used, in which he has an axe and a man on the ground next to him, possibly a wayne board member(not fox) and he closes that door and then you hear a scream and then silence.

I am still all for bane, penguin, croc, and most other rogues, but I am finding a hard time imagining riddler(and this is coming from a guy who thinks up stories in his brain non stop), i guess I would like someone to create a solid storyline/concept involving him.

ps I want croc to be a ritualistic cannibal, and he needs to have a motive, see every villain has a motive for there disaster, i believe joker jsut did it for joy, and he wanted to show everyone how everything is a big joke, crane who has psychopathic tendencies, is in it for a payout and for pleasure(he's a sadist), croc could have a hate for society and feels that it is only natural for himself to hunt(per say) batman.
 
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never saw all of gotham knight, ive only seen deadshot and I was extremely sad, I would rather have wanted deadshot to yell kill meeeeee, than oh mr batman pls dont hurt me. Oh and i saw that thanks to my brother, i didnt buy it. plus his mask looked dumb, but the long shot he took was cool, what did croc look like?
I thought the Deadshot part was pretty cool...

I can't find a good picture of him, but he kind of looked like the Creature from the Black Lagoon. Not that that's a bad thing, either. Managed to pull it off in a not completely cheesy fashion.

I don't know about the dcu versions, plus I trust the nolan brothers can come up with a great, fresh concept and story, p.s. if deadshot is used I want his character to pay homage to westerns, the way he shoots and what not.

I am not convinced that riddler is a great villain as of now.
The Riddler can either be done well or done horribly.

I would love to see a scene with black mask, if he is used, in which he has an axe and a man on the ground next to him, possibly a wayne board member(not fox) and he closes that door and then you hear a scream and then silence.
Why?

I am still all for bane, penguin, croc, and most other rogues, but I am finding a hard time imagining riddler(and this is coming from a guy who thinks up stories in his brain non stop), i guess I would like someone to create a solid storyline/concept involving him.
It's actually really easy.

ps I want croc to be a ritualistic cannibal, and he needs to have a motive, see every villain has a motive for there disaster, i believe joker jsut did it for joy, and he wanted to show everyone how everything is a big joke, crane who has psychopathic tendencies, is in it for a payout and for pleasure(he's a sadist), croc could have a hate for society and feels that it is only natural for himself to hunt(per say) batman.
I'll pass on the cannibalism.
 
The new characters for the next Batman should be:
  • Amanda Waller
  • Roman Sionas/Black Mask – The main villian
  • Dr. Harley Quinzel
  • Talia Al Ghul
  • Detective Bullock.
  • The Penguin – minor character for this film like Zsasz
  • Barbara Gordon aged accelerated to 16 years old.
 
The new characters for the next Batman should be:
  • Amanda Waller
  • Roman Sionas/Black Mask – The main villian
  • Dr. Harley Quinzel
  • Talia Al Ghul
  • Detective Bullock.
  • The Penguin – minor character for this film like Zsasz
  • Barbara Gordon aged accelerated to 16 years old.


kind of a lot to take on dont you think, on top of the other charcaters that are sure to reappear? not even iron man 2 has got that many new characters
 
Bruce Wayne/Batman is suppressing the fact that Rachel was indeed his one hope for a normal life. However, he is desperately looking for some inspiration that will keep Bruce Wayne grounded in reality. While visiting his parent’s grave as Bruce Wayne, he remembers that his family was the greatest thing he had ever been a part of. It was the dark side of Gotham that nearly destroyed his life and he can’t let that happen to Gordon’s family. While visiting the grave as Batman, he realizes that some of what the Joker told him was true. He has changed things; and there is no going back. He realized that Harvey Dent wasn’t the people’s only hope and that the Batman can be the enforcer that will keep hope alive and not let the evils of mankind reign supreme again. So Bruce sets out to help Gordon’s daughter find her way. Batman sets out to bring down the False Faced Society (the organization trying to bring a new order to the U.S.), and to find out who is heading up the League of Shadows (the suppliers of guns and military style weapons).
Commissioner Gordon personal life is now a wreck. He and his son are on the side of Batman. However, his wife and daughter hate him because they believe he was responsible for the chaos in Gotham. Gordon only regret was not listening to Harvey in regards to Weurtz and Ramirez. He wants his family to trust him and believe in the direction he is going. He is determined to establish Gotham’s Finest as the best in the nation. With all the new donated equipment and intense training, anti-batman citizens are wondering why the Batman is not in Commissioner Gordon’s custody. His alleged alliance with the Batman has forced the Federal Marshal to assign agent Bullock to the MCU.

Harvey Bullock has been assigned to make sure that the Gotham Police doesn’t apprehend the Batman while he is trying to find the head of the False Faced Society. He reports directly to Amanda Waller. He hates this assignment because he feels the Batman should be taken down immediately.

Harley Quinzel is a respected psychiatrist who treats wealthy and powerful clients. One of them is a powerful business man named Roman Sionas. She believes that Roman is in desperate need of treatment because of his growing obsession with power. However, she gets sidetracked with Commissioner’s Gordon’s wife and daughter. Roman plants surveillance devices in Quinzel’s office in order to get useful information on the other patients.

Roman Sionas is a Gotham business man who once interned at Wayne Enterprises under Mr. Earl while Bruce was away. Some of Roman’s investment firms and charitable foundations were exposed as failures and shams when he tried to form a partnership with one of Wayne Enterprises covert businesses organization (Headed by Mr. Reese). His other businesses are beginning to fail and his power is slowly slipping away. He begins to blackmail Dr. Quinzel’s clients for money and favors. Those who don’t pay up…he has them killed! He discovers all about the Two Face cover up. Roman believes he can blackmail the Mayor and Gordon and have Gotham City for the taking. He knows that Batman is the only one who can stop him. Roman also believes that Bruce and Gordon are in alliance with the Batman. Therefore, Roman and Bruce have a very intense rivalry on all levels.

Talia Al Ghul and the League of Shadows are supplying the weapons to the Penguin. She comes to Gotham City to witness the fall of the city, its favorite son, and the nation it belongs to. She knows Batman’s identity. She also knows the Black masks identity. She begins to play Roman and Bruce with the intent to fuel their war. However, while there she really falls for Gotham City’s complex and determined hero.

Barbara Gordon resent the fact that her father appeared to have loved his son more than her. She begins to rebel and hang out with the wrong teenage crowd headed by a young man named Boone. She gets involved with cyber crimes and hacking for fun. Bruce finds out and secretly tips off Gordon. Gordon hires Harley Quinzel to counsel his daughter. She goes on to tell Dr. Quinzel all about the night “Harvey Dent” died and how they placed “Two Face” secretly in Arkham. Bruce hires Babs to work for Wayne Enterprises in order to mentor her. Her trust in Bruce grows; and so does her admiration and school girl crush. Later, she is tricked into thinking that her old cyber gang is going to trade and buy some new gadgets with another cyber group. This is how she meets Matches Malone when he saves her from getting killed while the group tries to swap cloned credit cards and phones for some weapons. Bruce’s Malone cover is now blown before he could have the Penguin taken down and before he could discover the identity of the False Faced Society Leader.
 
i honestly don't think barbara gordon aka batgirl will exist in this bat-verse. first off the gordons can't be that lame can they? they name their son jim, after his father and their daughter barbara after her mother?
 
kind of a lot to take on dont you think, on top of the other charcaters that are sure to reappear? not even iron man 2 has got that many new characters

Not really. These new characters can replace the darkknight characters in time and usage. For example

Waller - Mayor Hill
The Penguin - Lau
Bullock - Ramirez
Roman - joker
Talia - rachel
Dr. Quinzel - Mike Engel
 
  • Amanda Waller
  • Roman Sionas/Black Mask – The main villian
  • Dr. Harley Quinzel
  • Talia Al Ghul
  • Detective Bullock.
  • The Penguin – minor character for this film like Zsasz
  • Barbara Gordon aged accelerated to 16 years old.
1. Why Waller? She's more a Justice League or Superman character than a Batman character
2. I can dig the Black Mask, just not as the main villain. Batman's Rogues Gallery is too good to have the Black Mask be the follow-up to the Joker and Two-Face
3. As long as the Harley Quinn character itself doesn't appear, I'm fine with a cameo from Dr. Quinzel. Although I don't know why she herself has to be used, when Hugo Strange would fit perfectly and play almost the same role (once again, as long as the Harley Quinn persona doesn't appear)
4. It's going to be either Talia or Catwoman in the next film - Bruce's two biggest love interests from the comics that are essentially the anti-Rachel.
5. I really don't know why Bullock hasn't appeared yet
6. Why throw the Penguin under a bus like that? So much potential...
7. I'd rather not feature Barbara Gordon that old. Because if that happens, every ******ed fanboy and his mother will be going "Well if they did Batgirl, they can do Robin..."
 
They shouldn't have Barbara and this movie age so fast. I think these should be looked at as the early years and be setting up the franchise for future installments.
 
I quite like the idea of the hallucinations causing people to see Killer Croc in his mutated state, similar to when we saw Crane's perception of Batman in BB - but I doubt Nolan would integrate Croc into the next film as he just stands out too much as a whole.


I can see a more realistic but still somewhat reptillian-looking Killer Croc looking somewhat like this toy, but the scaliness probably toned down considerably.
 
because they have found no need for him, bullock has appeared as both a good cop and a bad cop, & i hate batgirl, she sucks.

Croc has to have his eyes open nonstop, that would make him scarier. But it could be good for batman to fight croc(cameo), who seems almost supernaturally strong, he is dark skinned(he has sun burn and rough skin from years of constant sun burn), he has a slight skin disorder and his scales are barely there, he also has scars from knife fights, and others scars.

At first croc and scarecrow(scarecrow hired croc because of his stature and scary look) are fighting batman(as well as a few other men), scarecrow gasses batman, and batman takes down everyone, and croc flees into the sewer, batman follows, when he gets down there croc, looks like a monster, like an evil creature a fight ensues, and batman goes up to the surface where he has a new batmobile drive up with an antidote for the toxin.
 
Ok, this is just how I think it could be done myself:


One night, Batman stumbles across what appears to be a giant puzzle of some sort, but is actually a trap. Barely escaping the deadly trap, and assuming that the Joker has found a way out of Arkham Asylum, Batman seeks out Gordon. Gordon, however informs Batman that Joker died shortly after being put into Arkham. Confused, they finally agree that it must be a copycat criminal.

As Batman hunts for the copycat criminal (whom he learns is calling themselves "The Riddler") who seems to be playing a game of cat and mouse, he must also deal with issues at Wayne Enterprises.

There's a new board member at Wayne Enterprises by the name of Oswald Cobblepot. A genial and charismatic man, Cobblepot quickly wins over man of the other board members, and he uses this to get them to do the things that he wants with the company. Bruce is immediately suspicious of Cobblepot.

Eventually Batman finds The Riddler and discovers the he is a man named Edward Nygma. Appearing as little more than an ordinary business man, Nygma wants to finish what the Joker began. He sees the late Joker as the personification of chaos and feels that without the chaos, complete order would threaten to take over and force the city to become stagnate. The Riddler actually believes he might be doing some good.

Around the same time, Bruce has become very suspicious about Cobblepot (borderline paranoid) and does some investigating. He discovers that Cobblepot is a money launderer and a crook, who has ties to the mob.



Just a couple of ideas that I think would imbue the essence of the characters, while also making them realistic and accessible to audiences.
 
Ok, this is just how I think it could be done myself:


One night, Batman stumbles across what appears to be a giant puzzle of some sort, but is actually a trap. Barely escaping the deadly trap, and assuming that the Joker has found a way out of Arkham Asylum, Batman seeks out Gordon. Gordon, however informs Batman that Joker died shortly after being put into Arkham. Confused, they finally agree that it must be a copycat criminal.

As Batman hunts for the copycat criminal (whom he learns is calling themselves "The Riddler") who seems to be playing a game of cat and mouse, he must also deal with issues at Wayne Enterprises.

There's a new board member at Wayne Enterprises by the name of Oswald Cobblepot. A genial and charismatic man, Cobblepot quickly wins over man of the other board members, and he uses this to get them to do the things that he wants with the company. Bruce is immediately suspicious of Cobblepot.

Eventually Batman finds The Riddler and discovers the he is a man named Edward Nygma. Appearing as little more than an ordinary business man, Nygma wants to finish what the Joker began. He sees the late Joker as the personification of chaos and feels that without the chaos, complete order would threaten to take over and force the city to become stagnate. The Riddler actually believes he might be doing some good.

Around the same time, Bruce has become very suspicious about Cobblepot (borderline paranoid) and does some investigating. He discovers that Cobblepot is a money launderer and a crook, who has ties to the mob.



Just a couple of ideas that I think would imbue the essence of the characters, while also making them realistic and accessible to audiences.
Hit or miss
 
We already have Bullock, his name is Det.Stephens.


Why do people keep saying that? because hes kinda heavyset? Stephens was nowhere near as crude,fat, slovenly, unkempt or vocal in sheer distaste for the Batman as sergean bullock. i really just dont understand it.
 
Why do people keep saying that? because hes kinda heavyset? Stephens was nowhere near as crude,fat, slovenly, unkempt or vocal in sheer distaste for the Batman as sergean bullock. i really just dont understand it.
People probably just assume he was supposed to be Bullock because it already happened with two other characters. That doesn't make him Bullock, though.
 

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