The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

what i mean is make such a refernce that you really have to be paying like all your brain pwer on the entire movie to pick up on it, so if your not lookin for it, you wont see it, keeping the mystery, in all fairness your right, the best villains are the ones youdont know anything about
everyone keeps quoting ducard about his wife, i thought he said"once i wife, a daughter, they were ...taken from me"

Make 'Taken' an indirect 'inter-quel'....Al Gul survived, tried to lead a normal life again and reacquaint himself with his daughter...she was kidnapped, he kicked some ass...now he's got the fire back in his belly again and wants to go back to Gotham to settle the score with rich-boy.
 
The 1989 Batman movie did a Joker's origin story. I'm liking this story line better than any other ideas out there right now. False Face Society being a basis for where Joker started with their known torture techniques focusing on facial torture is a perfect explanation on how Joker came to be.
 
No, because it still destroys the mystery. If Black Mask says something like that, then the audience will obviously know that Black Mask is the one who scarred him, and the mystery is broken.

You don't reveal Joker's origin. They've never done it in the comics, and it should never be done with Nolan's Joker, especially after the treatment Nolan gave him. The mystery is one of the things that made the character such a compelling villain.

Obviously its you who never read The Killing Joke because in it Joker had a prego wife and was the Red Hood before falling in the chemicals that change his appearance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke
 
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Obviously its you who never read The Killing Joke because in it Joker had a prego wife and was the Red Hood before falling in the chemicals that change his appearance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

Although this story is accepted of what may be the Joker's true origin, it is not official DC cannon. As far as that is concerned, Joker has no true origin, even according to himself he constantly lies about what really happened to him.
 
Obviously its you who never read The Killing Joke because in it Joker had a prego wife and was the Red Hood before falling in the chemicals that change his appearance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

No offense, but maybe you're the one who hasn't read it.

"I mean, what is it with you? What made you what you are?
Girlfriend killed by the mob maybe?
Brother carved up by some mugger?
Something like that, I bet something like that...
Something like that happened to me, you know.
I... I'm not exactly sure what it was.
Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...
If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice."

The Killing Joke in no way cements the origin of the Joker. It is clearly implied by the Joker himself that the story might just be something his twisted mind made up.
 
The Joker is more in line with a condition that can best be described as chaos. Chaos doesn't have an origin, it just happens.
 
One event still leads to another, though. Even if it can't be predicted, it can still be backtracked.
 
i LOVE the Joker, but after TDK, Im hungry to see what other strokes of Genius Nolan and Co. can come up with, concerning plot and characteristics of Batman's Very cool and visually stunning Rogues gallery...

Save Joker for number 4 or "1.b" after Nolan's Exit....

Bring on The Riddler, Catwoman, The penguin, Bane, Black Mask, Etc...
 
Chaos can be predicted, anything that can go wrong. . . will. To me it looks like the joker got in some sort of accident which gave him half of his scars(left cheek), and then the right side of his face was self inflicted.
 
Anyone can predict a lack of order...the particulars of it, or specific repercussions is another story.

You can throw a huge bag of marbles onto a crowded city sidewalk and predict that some people will lose their balance and probably fall....possibly screwing up whatever plans they had and causing a chain of chaotic events. Exactly how many of them, how injured they'll be, or how that single fall will affect the rest of their lives in ways it wouldn't have been if they hadn't fallen....or even been on that sidewalk...no way to tell. Trust me...I've tried it.



Now...for the quantum theorists........say one of those marbles was red...but only one......
 
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Bruce will struggle hard with the consequences of being Batman and will vow to give up. The only way to do this is to replace Harvey Dent himself or find someone that can do it and support them both as Wayne and as Batman. Bruce begins to shift more of his focus on cleaning up Gotham from a humanitarian angle using Wayne Enterprises and his wealth to fight the fight in the public. Things take a turn for the worse when Wayne Enterprises is accused of violating labor laws and economic scandal. Bruce will have the fight of his life as he is challenged as both Batman and Bruce Wayne by Roman Sionis a.k.a. Black Mask and The League of Shadows under the leadership of Talia AL Ghul. As well as the fact the Batman is now public enemy number one. The employee from TDK who found blueprints for Tumbler (BATMOBILE)is found murdered leading to an even greater pressure from the city for Gordon to capture Batman and Gordon himself now doesn’t know who to trust even Batman himself. Batman is framed for the murder.

A new and mysterious female D.A. emerges Talia Head and sparks the interest of Bruce Wayne and she is secretly Talia al Ghul (Despite not appearing in Batman Begins, where Ra's al Ghul is the main villain, she is mentioned in the novelization when Ra's writes to his daughter in Switzerland and al Ghul's character biography in the DVD special features.)

The Joker was used by the Black Mask who wanted to move in on the Falconne family, to tear apart the structure built up by Sal Maroni and at the same time destroy the influence of Batman in the streets of Gotham. The Black Mask an older man, rich, a rogue member of the league of shadows. After leaving the League he formed the False Face Society who recruited the Joker. Black Mask's most important weapons are fear and intimidation. He is known for his brutal and sadistic torture techniques, especially on the face. He sees the Joker’s purpose was served as he drove the Batman from hero to vigilante in the general public eye. The Black Mask is secretly also a wealthy business man and has the pull to push around Bruce Wayne and also fabricate documents and information. His Intel is unparalleled, he nearly completes a hostile takeover of Wayne Enterprises, and he is a master criminal strategist with vast amount of resources. He was the crime lord of Gotham city for many years as an undercover businessman and was the original target of Ras al Ghul. Black Mask also uses his connections to gather information on his enemies, and then hits them at their weak points, such as family and friends. (ties to Thomas Wayne, and his death) The Black Mask infiltrates Wayne Enterprises and also kills Lucious Fox. Black Mask commits a series of murders disguised as Batman. This plan is complicated by the escape of Joker. Joker finds and seeks revenge on the Black Mask exposing his true identity and scarring him in the process.

Talia Al Ghul will lead a team of the league of shadows in revenge for her fathers death she knows Bruce Wayne is Batman and this poses a serious threat since everyone is on the hunt for Batman she is unaware of whom the Black mask is and that he was a partner with her father in the league. The False Face Society and the League of Shadows Hunters led by Talia go to war in the streets of Gotham. She is a complex character, not quite heroine nor villainess but more of an anti-hero.

Gordon discovers he must find a way to get info out of the Joker, while in Arkham he is receiving treatment from a new doctor Dr. Harleen Quinzel who turns out to be an operative of the Black Mask. The Black Mask is determined to kill the Joker to conceal his identity but the operative does a double cross, and frees the Joker. He then kidnaps Commissioner Gordon and taunts him with enlarged photographs of his wounded (family member), in an attempt to prove that any normal man can go insane after having "one really bad day." The Joker ridicules him as an example of "the average man," a naïve weakling doomed to insanity. Again giving an explanation of the scars on his face to Gordon with a knife pressed to the inside of the Commissioner’s mouth "something like that happened to me you know...I'm not quite sure what it was. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!" The Joker knowing the true identity of Black Mask and his intent on taking over Wayne Enterprises destroys the Wayne tower to announce to Gotham that he is again free and that terror has returned to Gotham.
Climax would be Joker now destroying what’s left of the mob and has a plan to detonate another bomb similar to what destroys Wayne enterprises.

Batman has to take down False Face Society and stop the Joker

Talia ends up stepping in front of bullet meant for Batman as her heart has changed after she has witnessed all the destruction caused by her own fathers hand and that of their followers.

By the end of the movie the citizens of Gotham realize that Batman is the only one who can level the playing field against the powers of the criminally insane and the corrupt powers that be in Gotham City.
 
am i the only one who noticed the joker had the clubs siut symbol on his face in one of his scars?
 
Obviously its you who never read The Killing Joke because in it Joker had a prego wife and was the Red Hood before falling in the chemicals that change his appearance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Killing_Joke

Others have pointed it out, but one of Joker's most famous lines in the comic is
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Something like that happened to me, you know.
I... I'm not exactly sure what it was.
Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another...
If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice

So no, TKJ only presents a possible theory of Joker's past, but Joker himself says he remembers different scenarios every time he remembers the past. Hence the different "scarred" stories in TDK.

I like the revised idea though, it fits better.:up:
 
this is my first time on this thread. my only ideas are to give batman somebody he can really fight with like bane or clayface. somebody probably already said that though.
 
i LOVE the Joker, but after TDK, Im hungry to see what other strokes of Genius Nolan and Co. can come up with, concerning plot and characteristics of Batman's Very cool and visually stunning Rogues gallery...

Save Joker for number 4 or "1.b" after Nolan's Exit....

Bring on The Riddler, Catwoman, The penguin, Bane, Black Mask, Etc...

agree, i wanna see him work his magic on another one of bats rogues
 
i really wanna see him in an actual fight. if we dont get bane or clayface, i atleast wanna see him do wat ducad said he could train him to do, have him fight a 100 people at once and take them down. if they play it right that would look cool. it would look almost like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JnEYIiwJw

the only difference would be the fighting style and he wouldnt have to break everybody's leg. i would really like to see that.http://forums.superherohype.com/<object width=
 
i really wanna see him in an actual fight. if we dont get bane or clayface, i atleast wanna see him do wat ducad said he could train him to do, have him fight a 100 people at once and take them down. if they play it right that would look cool. it would look almost like this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JnEYIiwJw

the only difference would be the fighting style and he wouldnt have to break everybody's leg. i would really like to see that.
 
i really wanna see him in an actual fight. if we dont get bane or clayface, i atleast wanna see him do wat ducad said he could train him to do, have him fight a 100 people at once and take them down. if they play it right that would look cool. it would look almost like this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-JnEYIiwJw

the only difference would be the fighting style and he wouldnt have to break everybody's leg. i would really like to see that.

Ras was being figurative when he meant "we can teach you how to engage 600."

He didn't mean Bruce could actually stand there and fight 600 guys. That would be ridiculous. In fact, it would be ridiculous if he could stand in a room and fight 25 guys. You would get overwhelmed pretty darn quick.

What he meant when he said that was, through theatricality and deception, he could teach Bruce how to engage many more opponents than normal, it wasn't meant as "my special brand of martial arts will teach you how to kill 600 men!"

Which is why we got the scene in BB where Batman kept flying out of the shadows, attacking one or two guys, and then flying back into the shadows. He was using theatricality and his technology to battle a large number of opponents in a smart way.
 
I'd love to see Catwoman but in a new light. I wouldn't be totally against changing her backstory to reveal Selina Kyle is just an alias for Talia, although I'd rather her characterization be more similar to Selina than Talia. It'd be an interesting way to bring the League of Shadow back into the fold yet still give Batman a very personal/emotional villain.
 
I'd love to see Catwoman but in a new light. I wouldn't be totally against changing her backstory to reveal Selina Kyle is just an alias for Talia, although I'd rather her characterization be more similar to Selina than Talia. It'd be an interesting way to bring the League of Shadow back into the fold yet still give Batman a very personal/emotional villain.

No, because Selina and Talia both have very different goals. Talia is in pursuit of power and building and empire, Selina just wants to be free, revel in her false persona, and become a Robin Hood character of sorts (with less rigid morals).
 
Ras was being figurative when he meant "we can teach you how to engage 600."

He didn't mean Bruce could actually stand there and fight 600 guys. That would be ridiculous. In fact, it would be ridiculous if he could stand in a room and fight 25 guys. You would get overwhelmed pretty darn quick.

What he meant when he said that was, through theatricality and deception, he could teach Bruce how to engage many more opponents than normal, it wasn't meant as "my special brand of martial arts will teach you how to kill 600 men!"

Which is why we got the scene in BB where Batman kept flying out of the shadows, attacking one or two guys, and then flying back into the shadows. He was using theatricality and his technology to battle a large number of opponents in a smart way.

i didnt mean he should literally fight 600 people either, wat i meant was for him to fight alot of people at once just like tony jaa in that scene. u dont think 25 is a reasonable # cause that's about how many tony fought in that scene. i think it could work really well and it would get more people excited to actually see batman fight.
 

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