Interstellar - Part 9

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redhawk23 said:
These specific shots sure but each of these movies includes more of the iceland setting. The the "Ice and Black Rock Landscape" has become really rote and hardly something "we've never seen before." For scifi-fantasy films of the last 3 years, Iceland has become like Monuments Valley in Westerns.
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That may be but there is a lot more to the shots, settings, environments than "ice and black rock". There's much more to setting than the type of topsoil, and even if there wasn't I listed dozens of examples, so an argument against a single one is moot.

The Star Wars movies created a lot of settings which was great. Since then, most scifi just copy star wars. How many times have we seen Coruscsant?
 
jmc said:
I get sleep paralysis sometimes, scary as hell I can tell you, as realistic a nightmare as it gets.
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I've had that once or twice. Definitely a miserable experience to say the least.
 
Jekecy said:
He's had two big opportunities to really take his vision to otherworldly places; dreams and alien planets. Both times he somehow managed to still "ground" the visual spectacle.

I just don't think it's in him for his imagination to play outside normal bounds.
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On Interstellar they are looking for a viable place to substitute Earth. Having similar conditions is an obligation.
 
Not to mention that, judging by all the planets and moons in our solar system, they're generally plain, barren wastelands. That's not to say they aren't fascinating (Venus, Titan, Mars, Io, Europa etc. are all fascinating planets and moons with their own unique characters) but they aren't these crazy alien worlds that people think of.

The approach Interstellar took was far more realistic and gritty, which is what the movie was going for. Even the ice clouds was kind of stretching it for me, but it all worked out just fine.
 
Isn't one of the planets in our solar system constantly stormy or something? Neptune?
 
titansupes said:
Isn't one of the planets in our solar system constantly stormy or something? Neptune?
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Neptune does have some raging storms, as does Jupiter, but they're both gas giants. Wouldn't be much use visiting them :-p
 
It makes you wonder too if humans were assisted with a wormhole from the gods, then why did it end up in a solar system without an earth like planet? for begins that are trying to help us they sure do a ***** job in doing so, throwing astronauts to a solar system with 3 harsh planets next to a giant black hole. The fact that those gods even exist is a goddamn miracle, they sure didn't do their best to ensure their own existence.

I think we should have seen some kind of life form, i mean anything, plants, fish like begins, anything? that was weird, there was a lot of water and acceptable atmosphere , something should have been living there
 
Jaspertian1105 said:
It makes you wonder too if humans were assisted with a wormhole from the gods, then why did it end up in a solar system without an earth like planet?
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Closed timelike curve.

The wormhole led to that system, so that Cooper and Cooper Jr. could discover the equation of quantum gravity, and thus future humans could build the wormhole.

A causes B, B causes C, C causes A.

ETA: It's not actually known that life automatically evolves on every planet with water. That's an assumption of other scifi.
 
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Jaspertian1105 said:
It makes you wonder too if humans were assisted with a wormhole from the gods, then why did it end up in a solar system without an earth like planet? for begins that are trying to help us they sure do a ***** job in doing so, throwing astronauts to a solar system with 3 harsh planets next to a giant black hole. The fact that those gods even exist is a goddamn miracle, they sure didn't do their best to ensure their own existence.

I think we should have seen some kind of life form, i mean anything, plants, fish like begins, anything? that was weird, there was a lot of water and acceptable atmosphere , something should have been living there
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The last one was an earth-like planet, if you ask me.

And keep in mind, higher life forms have not existed on earth all that long, relatively. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Any life at all, originated 1 billion years later, at the cellular level. Algae, which helped populate the atmosphere with oxygen, arrived 600 million-some years ago. Bony fish, the earliest form of vertebrate, originated 420 million years ago. It's really not that long, considering the total age of the earth.

The earth was already 4.1 billion years old when the first insects came on land. Think about that. For 91% of its existence, the earth had nothing moving on land.

Maybe the wormhole gods figured it would be less messy if humans got to start with a completely new planet, which had just the resources and nothing else. No weird diseases, no parasites, no predators. Given the likelihood of having higher life forms on any given earth-like planet, it's actually pretty normal that we saw "nothing" there.

Also, keep in mind that just because you don't see a coyote or cactus in the desert, that the desert is completely devoid of any life at all, even on earth.
 
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DA_Champion said:
Closed timelike curve.

The wormhole led to that system, so that Cooper and Cooper Jr. could discover the equation of quantum gravity, and thus future humans could build the wormhole.

A causes B, B causes C, C causes A.
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But did you have to put their lives in incredibly danger to do that? Cooper could have died like 10 times during all this, her daughter as well. Even better why didn't the Gods sent the message themselves through the binary? just because they needed the love connection between father and daughter? I mean that could be a limitation and they need 2 humans to establish a link, thats fine, but at the same time they can open freaking wormholes to another galaxys! they seem pretty powerful and able to do amazing things, so there was no other way to send a message to their past selves? they limitations and powers are pretty unclear/inconsistent

I dont know at least this movie has me thinking extra time, i have to admit that. Its a very positive thing from any movie
 
Anita18 said:
The last one was an earth-like planet, if you ask me.

And keep in mind, higher life forms have not existed on earth all that long, relatively. The earth is 4.5 billion years old. Any life at all, originated 1 billion years later, at the cellular level. Algae, which helped populate the atmosphere with oxygen, arrived 600 million-some years ago. Bony fish, the earliest form of vertebrate, originated 420 million years ago. It's really not that long, considering the total age of the earth.

The earth was already 4.1 billion years old when the first insects came on land. Think about that. For 91% of its existence, the earth had nothing moving on land.

Maybe the wormhole gods figured it would be less messy if humans got to start with a completely new planet, which had just the resources and nothing else. No weird diseases, no parasites, no predators. Given the likelihood of having higher life forms on any given earth-like planet, it's actually pretty normal that we saw "nothing" there.

Also, keep in mind that just because you don't see a coyote or cactus in the desert, that the desert is completely devoid of any life at all, even on earth.
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Those are good points, its a possible scenario. I guess somethings are for the interpretation of the audience
 
Jaspertian1105 said:
Those are good points, its a possible scenario. I guess somethings are for the interpretation of the audience
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I think in that way, Nolan made it a little too scientifically accurate for the general audience. I bet most people assumed the same as you did - that if you didn't see any animals or plants, that the planet was inhospitable to life, full-stop. Whereas in reality, for 90% of the earth's existence, it would look somewhat like Edmund's planet. Life was just getting started, and it took a long time to get going.

Even my husband, who has an engineering degree, asked me how the giant waves on Miller's planet occurred given the shallowness of the water, and I had to remind him about extreme tidal forces from the black hole so close by. :funny:
 
Anita18 said:
I think in that way, Nolan made it a little too scientifically accurate for the general audience. I bet most people assumed the same as you did - that if you didn't see any animals or plants, that the planet was inhospitable to life, full-stop. Whereas in reality, for 90% of the earth's existence, it would look somewhat like Edmund's planet. Life was just getting started, and it took a long time to get going.

Even my husband, who has an engineering degree, asked me how the giant waves on Miller's planet occurred given the shallowness of the water, and I had to remind him about extreme tidal forces from the black hole so close by. :funny:
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Yeah i mean i studied Biology for 5 years almost, met many astronomers and did some investigation in panspermia. Also studied cellular biology and chemistry for those years, so of course to land on a planet at the same stage of earth is difficult but maybe is much more common than we think. Our telescopes are pretty rudimentary to detect water and plant life presence, so how common are earth like planets in the universe/multiverse is still anyone's guess.

Still the elephant in the room is the black hole near those planets. Even if its a clean state planet, with little wildlife or plant life, good amount of water and few diseases, how long will be till that black hole consumes you? Its not the most stable environment to harbor life, even if it was a special black hole i wouldnt like to be around it just in case
 
Jaspertian1105 said:
Yeah i mean i studied Biology for 5 years almost, met many astronomers and did some investigation in panspermia. Also studied cellular biology and chemistry for those years, so of course to land on a planet at the same stage of earth is difficult but maybe is much more common than we think. Our telescopes are pretty rudimentary to detect water and plant life presence, so how common are earth like planets in the universe/multiverse is still anyone's guess.

Still the elephant in the room is the black hole near those planets. Even if its a clean state planet, with little wildlife or plant life, good amount of water and few diseases, how long will be till that black hole consumes you? Its not the most stable environment to harbor life, even if it was a special black hole i wouldnt like to be around it just in case
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Yeah, but as you experienced even with your background, it's still easy to fall into the "I don't see any animals or plants, this planet can't be lived on!" way of thinking. :cwink:

Statistically, if any planet is in any way capable of harboring life, we'd likely come across it when life was still at the cellular level. Vertebrates have only been on earth for a short time, and humans have only been on earth for a tiny blip.

Yeah, Neil DeGrasse Tyson said he'd personally stay as far away from black holes as possible, but technically, you won't fall in unless you pass the event horizon, I believe. (There was some kind of distinction between rotating and non-rotating black holes, but I think the event horizon applies for both.)

Who knows, maybe being so near a black hole might give them really interesting advantages! It's not like we know every possibility. :yay:
 
Anita18 said:
Yeah, but as you experienced even with your background, it's still easy to fall into the "I don't see any animals or plants, this planet can't be lived on!" way of thinking. :cwink:

Statistically, if any planet is in any way capable of harboring life, we'd likely come across it when life was still at the cellular level. Vertebrates have only been on earth for a short time, and humans have only been on earth for a tiny blip.

Yeah, Neil DeGrasse Tyson said he'd personally stay as far away from black holes as possible, but technically, you won't fall in unless you pass the event horizon, I believe. (There was some kind of distinction between rotating and non-rotating black holes, but I think the event horizon applies for both.)

Who knows, maybe being so near a black hole might give them really interesting advantages! It's not like we know every possibility. :yay:
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Well with a time anomaly like that it could be interesting, to go to a place were a 1 hour in the surface of the planet equals a year in the planets orbit. The possibilities could be insane, but still its insanely risky i think. Again its not the area of science i know the most, so maybe is safer than i think.

Im shocked that the guy in the spaceship waited for them for 23 freaking years! My God poor bastard, and then he got blown up a day later. Talk about someone who got the worst of it
 
BatLobsterRises said:
I think this is going to be debated for a while, as Jonah Nolan said in a recent interview that
the wormhole is in fact gone.

Yet there is no concrete evidence in the movie.
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In the interview where Jonathan Nolan said
the wormhole was no longer there,
he was referring to the older version that he had written for Spielberg in 2008. In that version of the script
the humans no longer needed the wormhole to travel great distances almost instantly.
The version of the script the movie was based on was Christopher Nolan's draft and he made some fairly hefty changes. The way the ending is presented in the film, Cooper's decision to
go and be with Brand makes no sense unless the wormhole was still there.

Here is the actual text from the interview where the older draft is mentioned:

The idea in earlier drafts of the script was that Cooper returns to a human species that has taken that first step out and is beginning to prepare for the next step. But the one thing you know about wormholes is, they're not real. Wormholes don't exist because the only way they would exist is if they were seeded with exotic material created by an intelligence far beyond our own. Something would have to make one. So the idea with the film was that it was a wormhole that leads us to a place that creates an opportunity for us and then disappears. By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
 
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A little disappointed in Zimmer. It's the same loop for 3 hrs. Interstellar gets a 6/10 for me. You have to be an astronaut to get some of the plot
 
DarthMuppet said:
In the interview where Jonathan Nolan said
the wormhole was no longer there,
he was referring to the older version that he had written for Spielberg in 2008. In that version of the script
the humans no longer needed the wormhole to travel great distances almost instantly.
The version of the script the movie was based on was Christopher Nolan's draft and he made some fairly hefty changes. The way the ending is presented in the film, Cooper's decision to
go and be with Brand makes no sense unless the wormhole was still there.

Here is the actual text from the interview where the older draft is mentioned:

The idea in earlier drafts of the script was that Cooper returns to a human species that has taken that first step out and is beginning to prepare for the next step. But the one thing you know about wormholes is, they're not real. Wormholes don't exist because the only way they would exist is if they were seeded with exotic material created by an intelligence far beyond our own. Something would have to make one. So the idea with the film was that it was a wormhole that leads us to a place that creates an opportunity for us and then disappears. By the end of Cooper's journey, the wormhole is gone. It's up to us now to undertake the massive journey of spreading out across the face of our galaxy. Brand is still somewhere out there on the far side of the wormhole. The wormhole has disappeared entirely. It's gone.
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Seeing how the movie ended it was inferred that Cooper was going to meet Brand. I can't see any other way of him reaching Brand without the wormhole. Only 50-70 Earth years had passed while he was in the Tesseract. I don't think we could have developed the technology in that amount of time to travel to other galaxies that quickly without the wormhole (even with the knowledge Cooper sent Murph from the Tesseract). One question is if the wormhole was still there, why hadn't other ships been set through in the interim. It's possible that Cooper Station arrived at Saturn just before Cooper was sent out of the Tesseract. Seeing how everything was tied together it's possible that was planned and not at all a coincidence.

I definitely have to see it again.
 
BigA said:
Seeing how the movie ended it was inferred that Cooper was going to meet Brand. I can't see any other way of him reaching Brand without the wormhole. Only 50-70 Earth years had passed while he was in the Tesseract. I don't think we could have developed the technology in that amount of time to travel to other galaxies that quickly without the wormhole (even with the knowledge Cooper sent Murph from the Tesseract). One question is if the wormhole was still there, why hadn't other ships been set through in the interim. It's possible that Cooper Station arrived at Saturn just before Cooper was sent out of the Tesseract. Seeing how everything was tied together it's possible that was planned and not at all a coincidence.

I definitely have to see it again.
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I believe the only reason no one had yet used the wormhole again is that the people on the space stations had no reason to believe any of the planets were viable. Amelia had likely just arrived at her planet shortly before Cooper was found near Saturn. Given how humans can rarely agree on anything, even if they had received a signal from Amelia, it likely would have taken years for TPTB to make up their minds about traveling through the wormhole to the new planet... Cooper didn't want to wait that long and leave Amelia alone so he stole a ship and headed back through the wormhole.
 
the last son said:
A little disappointed in Zimmer. It's the same loop for 3 hrs. Interstellar gets a 6/10 for me. You have to be an astronaut to get some of the plot
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Weird, that some of the reasons I liked this film.

:wow:
 
One thing I didn't get... they said that spending hours on the water planet would be years in our time, but I don't think it was the same on the other two planets. So why not investigate those two first?
 
Iam disappointed with the audiance .
Movie like this don't come out every now and then but this one Amazing movie is not getting the enough praise it deserves just because some people don't find science much intriguing .
 
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