It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's the Superman Costume Thread!

[Project862006]

^well thats the point is it?

neo medevil wasn't it called

 

[Super Kal]

I think in the end it's a somewhat meaningless argument. For every similarity I see like 3 differences. It just doesn't make sense to me that he wouldn't hire his own design team. But you could be right, who knows. Agree to disagree I guess? what's important is that in the end, Snyder made a pretty damn decent suit. If he did use the flyby as a base, the changes he made were positive IMO.

i honestly dont think it's a meaningless argument... i think this just continues to prove that they're not relying on original ideas, but going back to failed ideas and trying to bring back concepts and make them "cool" when they weren't cool in the 90's...

like as of right now, i dont know if this is actually going to be a cloth made suit, or that pathetic"suit-in-a-can" idea that floated around during the 90's movie scripts... if it gets to that point, i may not even go and see this movie... not because of the suit, but because these people can't think of anything new... they would rather rehash old failures than do something that hasnt been attempted.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

 

[StarvingArtist]

i honestly dont think it's a meaningless argument... i think this just continues to prove that they're not relying on original ideas, but going back to failed ideas and trying to bring back concepts and make them "cool" when they weren't cool in the 90's...

like as of right now, i dont know if this is actually going to be a cloth made suit, or that pathetic"suit-in-a-can" idea that floated around during the 90's movie scripts... if it gets to that point, i may not even go and see this movie... not because of the suit, but because these people can't think of anything new... they would rather rehash old failures than do something that hasnt been attempted.

ok.

 

[Binker]

Ehh, all this is very ironic to me.

 

[StarvingArtist]

Ehh, all this is very ironic to me.

would love to know why

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

It sucks having someone on your ignore list, but still being able to see their posts when someone quotes said person. I realize that I don't have to read it, but my curiosity takes over and I have to read the ignorant posts.

 

[Super Kal]

you know, it's people like you who make this place an unwelcoming message board... i simply voice my concern, and people like you complain about my doubts.

you and other need to realize you're not the only voice out there, and you're also not the only people on here. I'm open to a differing opinion from another person, and i can even agree to disagree with that person and be civil about it, but it's not worth it when it comes from those who are inconsiderate of those who have a different opinion

 

[Binker]

would love to know why

Think about it: any change (suit related) is hated first, then accepted later. "Oh, it's gonna suck/it's a bad idea" how do you know that? MOS was like that a little bit, then accepted now; same goes for Smallville, same goes for DC The New 52, and you know what, it would've been the same for the Lives and Flyby suits.

In the first version of Flyby; we didn't a "suit in the can", in fact it doesn't exist(!), it was just a device that graphed the suit onto Clark, then just gave Clark a psychical suit in the next, main version. But here's something: how really bad, or differtent, is that idea compared to Clark having the suit literally "appear" in the Reeve films, or now that Clark wears a biotech shirt and the suit appears on him when activated?

For Burton's Lives; "Burton's ideas would've made the suit suck, look at the black suit!" Do you really know what Burton wanted to do with this film's suit? Well, the first was, drum roll, the CLASSIC suit with hardly any differences witht he exception of the trunks in the first version, then he would wear the black suit when he healed and it would reform in its stages, then reveal the new suit, and what was that new suit; picture the classic suit, but with a darker blue, with black boots and the trunks replaced with a black pattern. Believe it or not, it's not bad at all. In fact, the cape gave Superman in Lives an epic Roman-esque look.

As for Smallville; the red jacket/blue shirt wasn't bad, neither was the black trenchcoat version, or the red leather jacket version. And in the comics, the new biotech battle suit isn't bad at all, neither is the t-shirt/jeans one. Heck, if there was a look that was a blue jacet with a red shirt and a black "S", that really isn't that bad of a look.

That's irony; we say it's bad, or wouldn't been bad, but most of of time, is it really? Yes, there are ideas from when they are created to when they are seen in action that are bad, but that's because we saw it in action and the exection was flawed. Heck, even SR's suit was poorly visualed, but it was still a nice outfit.

In the end, we really don't know anything. Until it is seen properly, used it nicely, and execution the way they want to: we really have no right to judge it.

And to be honest, and this is can of worms here I'm opening, but all this is one example of how fandom, not just comics nor movies, can be very, VERY, bad.

 

[StarvingArtist]

SuperKal- I don't know why KW has you on his ignore list, but your response to my post from before is largely diatribe based on a string of assumptions. Put bluntly, your response is more or less brain diarrhea.

We have no idea if there's an actual connection between Flyby and MOS.

 

[Super Kal]

its based simply on what i see and hear, SA... i see similarities between MoS and FlyBy in the suit, at least... yeah, that kinda concerns me...

as for the rest, yeah, i dont know what they're planning, and no one else does either... the one thing we know for a fact is that the entirety of this movie is all in secrecy... not saying it shouldn't be, but the comparison in the last page is enough to slightly raise an eyebrow for me

and i really do hope there is no connection to FlyBy... i kinda wish the director/writers would come out and say that if it were the case, because that would make me a happy person

 

[StarvingArtist]

Solid post Binker

Think about it: any change (suit related) is hated first, then accepted later. "Oh, it's gonna suck/it's a bad idea" how do you know that? MOS was like that a little bit, then accepted now; same goes for Smallville, same goes for DC The New 52, and you know what, it would've been the same for the Lives and Flyby suits.

Inaccurate, not every change made to the suit has been accepted or lasted.

In the first version of Flyby; we didn't a "suit in the can", in fact it doesn't exist(!), it was just a device that graphed the suit onto Clark, then just gave Clark a psychical suit in the next, main version. But here's something: how really bad, or differtent, is that idea compared to Clark having the suit literally "appear" in the Reeve films, or now that Clark wears a biotech shirt and the suit appears on him when activated?

I'm willing to forgive the magical appearing suit in the reeve films for two reasons: my own persona bias in that I grew up with those movies, and the limitations on special effects at the time. That being said, if you consider both ideas in a vacuum, I prefer the suit in the can idea. A suit that just appears is lazy and stupid. However, the suit in a can idea itself really isn't that much better IMO. As for the new 52 idea, this is just my opinion of course, but I think it overreaches creatively. Either he should wear something under his clothes or he shouldn't. Right now he has an S shield on his chest that's basically a giant button he activates that creates sleeves, pants, and a cape? I get that they want to maintain the classic shirt rip thing, which is great, but why not just play the alien biotech, magic, make-anything-happen-because-its-convenient card for everything if you're going to pay a writer to come up with fail like that?

For Burton's Lives; "Burton's ideas would've made the suit suck, look at the black suit!" Do you really know what Burton wanted to do with this film's suit? Well, the first was, drum roll, the CLASSIC suit with hardly any differences witht he exception of the trunks in the first version, then he would wear the black suit when he healed and it would reform in its stages, then reveal the new suit, and what was that new suit; picture the classic suit, but with a darker blue, with black boots and the trunks replaced with a black pattern. Believe it or not, it's not bad at all. In fact, the cape gave Superman in Lives an epic Roman-esque look.

Nah, Burton's vision was horrible. This is too long of a post to state why.

As for Smallville; the red jacket/blue shirt wasn't bad, neither was the black trenchcoat version, or the red leather jacket version. And in the comics, the new biotech battle suit isn't bad at all, neither is the t-shirt/jeans one. Heck, if there was a look that was a blue jacet with a red shirt and a black "S", that really isn't that bad of a look.

You seem to be on the fringe in being okay with really any sort if Superman costume design. I won't argue your opinions because you're entitled to them, but I'm not really persuaded they're okay just because you like them.

That's irony; we say it's bad, or wouldn't been bad, but most of of time, is it really? Yes, there are ideas from when they are created to when they are seen in action that are bad, but that's because we saw it in action and the exection was flawed. Heck, even SR's suit was poorly visualed, but it was still a nice outfit.

Truer words were never spoken in that we can never know how a design will look on film until we see the film. However... usually you can get a pretty good idea. There are exceptions of course. In fact, case in point, Man of Steel. I hated the MOS suit until I saw the comic con footage, so I'll give you that. But you're wrong, the SR suit was ****. And it looked like **** on film. I refuse to budge on this.

In the end, we really don't know anything. Until it is seen properly, used it nicely, and execution the way they want to: we really have no right to judge it.

Disagree, we have every right to judge it. By the same token, people are allowed to also change their minds as the production process progresses. Debate is fun. It's the stuff forums are made of.

And to be honest, and this is can of worms here I'm opening, but all this is one example of how fandom, not just comics nor movies, can be very, VERY, bad.

Again disagree, fandom is wonderful and there should be more of it about everything. What's bad is immaturity. Again, just an opinion.

 

[Super Kal]

"Right now he has an S shield on his chest that's basically a giant button he activates that creates sleeves, pants, and a cape?"...

lol, a giant button... lol, i dont know why that makers me laugh so much...
stupid, yes, but hilariously stupid...

 

[gkokujin]

SuperKal- I don't know why KW has you on his ignore list, but your response to my post from before is largely diatribe based on a string of assumptions. Put bluntly, your response is more or less brain diarrhea.

We have no idea if there's an actual connection between Flyby and MOS.

I don't even know any part of the story but THIS made me laugh uncontrollably.

 

[Super Kal]

well, excuse me for having concerns...

 

[StarvingArtist]

well, excuse me for having concerns...

I don't think you have to so concerned. Curious, have you seen the comic con footage?

 

[B]

I like chips.

 

[Super Kal]

I don't think you have to so concerned. Curious, have you seen the comic con footage?

yes i have seen the comic con footage, but that only gives us a blurry look of the overall visual style of the movie... other than that, it doesn't tell us much.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

well, excuse me for having concerns...

You can voice your concerns but all you're posting is purist fanboy-ish statements. From all accounts, it certainly sounds as if you've made up your mind about the film before even seeing the first full theatrical trailer.

 

[Super Kal]

could say the same thing about you, mr "this is the best movie ever"...

this goes to show you never read my posts... i have said again and again i want this movie to succeed, and amid all of my concerns, i desperately want this movie be so amazing and wonderful that it blows my socks off and makes me eat my words.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Except I've haven't made that statement. I dare you to go back through all my posts and find me proclaiming 'Man of Steel' as the greatest film ever.

Now, do I confidence in the film? You bet your ass on it. I love everything I've seen and heard from the production. There's a difference.

I've read your posts. I truly have, and you can say you want the movie to succeed but I'm not getting that vibe from you at all.

 

[spidermanJLA!~]

 

[Super Kal]

you certainly imply it...

you treat this film as it's going to be an amazing film, but like me, you've never even seen a trailer either... that's overconfidence to me... i did that once...

even though I hated the suit for Superman Returns, i was actually very confident that i could love the suit and the movie... i loved the teaser and the trailers, and i tried to force myself into loving that movie, and I couldn't. i was sorely mistaken. after that movie, I'm very cautious when it comes to raising my hopes too high, because i did exactly that last time... no more. im not making that mistake again.

i want this movie to be great, but im not going to raise my hopes prematurely simply based on a director, or a producer, or an actor, or a suit... im going to wait until the finished product to determine whether i am either satisfied or unsatisfied. until that point, yes, i have zero expectations, and zero hopes, because if you go into a movie with too high of an expectation, you're gonna get burned.

if there's something i like, i'll say i like it.
if there's something i dont like, i'll say i dont like it
if there's something im concerned about, i'll say im concerned about it

right now, currently, i personally do see similarities between the MOS suit and the FlyBy suit... yes, that concerns me. im not going to completely ignore that simply because the colors on the suit are awesome.

 

[charl_huntress]

this goes to show you never read my posts... i have said again and again i want this movie to succeed, and amid all of my concerns, i desperately want this movie be so amazing and wonderful that it blows my socks off and makes me eat my words.

What about this

Nope, the Comic Con footage looks incredible. That's all I need to convince me further that MoS is going to be a very good film.

Unfortunately, I have read your post....and you looking kinda familiar.....

Stop with this Kal...it's not worth it.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I fail to see anything contradictory.

Comic Con footage looks incredible. Thus, I feel the film will be a very good film. Point?