James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[DarthSkywalker]

Personally I think The World is Not Enough is slightly worse than DAD, though both are nearly unwatchable.

TWINE has Sophie Marceau. It wins everything.

 

[spider-neil]

Yeah, and how many of them saw it more then once? The vast majority haven't seen it since 2008. People being wrong on a massive scale does not change them being wrong.

I haven't watched QoS again since I thought saw it in theatres in 2008, why would I watch a bad movie a again.
That said I have spend a fortune on the Bond blu ray 50th so I will watch it again, reluctantly.
I remember watching Alien 3 years later after hating it the first time and admittedly it wasn't as 'bad' as a remember but saying something is as bad as you remember it is damning with faint praise.
Can we agree that QoS is no where near as good as CR and SF?

Bam! Exactly.

Also, don't understand the "Back on track" stuff. We have never been on this track before. CR, QoS and Skyfall might as well not even be the same series of films as the first 20.

It is like saying Batman Begins got Batman "back on track", when it has almost nothing in common with Batman '89.

'back on track' is reference to dropping from the high standards of CR with QoS and attaining (surpassing imho) those levels again with SF. Nothing to do with the Bonds of past decades. That would be like Nolan making a stinker after BB and then making TDK to close the trilogy, 'back on track' would refer to the Nolan movies and have nothing to do with Burton's movies.

 

[Gianakin_]

Yes, which is what i found a little strange i guess about skyfall i almost felt like they were going at the end for a reboot of a reboot vibe. Hell maybe they were trying to forget QoS happened?

Skyfall did a genius move in that you can pop in Dr. No after watching it and it wouldn't feel weird, but at the same time it closes a franchise loop that started 50 years ago. It's brilliant.

 

[Slushy]

Craig does more ass kicking in the first half and hour of QoS then Moore did his entire run

They were trying too hard in QOS. A needless airplane chase couldn't make it any more obvious.

Moore was where he needed to be and should've stayed in FYEO.

Dalton's grit was a perfect fit for LTK.

 

[Gianakin_]

They were trying too hard in QOS. A needless airplane chase couldn't be any more obvious of this.

Moore was where he needed to be and should've stayed in FYEO.

Dalton's grit was a perfect fit for LTK.

I will never, ever get the "trying too hard" argument. Sure, they should try less to deliver a good film within their powers and the extremely difficult conditions of the Writers' Strike. Next time call in Bay.

 

[Octoberist]

TWINE has Sophie Marceau. It wins everything.

Not really when you got Christmas Jones, the wasted potential of Renard, the dull pacing, and Brosnan looking lost. Plus the tone was weird. It felt like it wanted to be a more serious Bond, but steps back into the cheese.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They were trying too hard in QOS. A needless airplane chase couldn't make it any more obvious.

Moore was where he needed to be and should've stayed in FYEO.

Dalton's grit was a perfect fit for LTK.

The airplane chase is bad, but they couldn't come up with a better idea for them to "find" the water problem.

One word again. Ninjas. How can anyone defend a film with that scene?

 

[Octoberist]

They were trying too hard in QOS. A needless airplane chase couldn't make it any more obvious.

Moore was where he needed to be and should've stayed in FYEO.

Dalton's grit was a perfect fit for LTK.

In LTK, I noticed how Dalton's hairline was thinning and made no attempts to hide it in some scenes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Not really when you got Christmas Jones, the wasted potential of Renard, the dull pacing, and Brosnan looking lost. Plus the tone was weird. It felt like it wanted to be a more serious Bond, but steps back into the cheese.

Jones > Jinx. I completely agree with everything you said, but DAD does that as well, without having one compelling character. Renard is wasted, but he is compelling. Elektra is wasted, but is compelling. Nothing compelling in DAD.

 

[spider-neil]

At least Craig is 'back on track' with Skyfall.
Brosnan made one good Bond movie and the Bond movies that followed range from average to absolutely DIRE.

Dalton gets the short end of the stick, I've watched both his movies again and both (imho) are excellent but he is considered by many as the worst Bond.

 

[Gianakin_]

One word again. Ninjas. How can anyone defend a film with that scene?

It's exotic. Which is why, according to some, the 3rd act of SF isn't that good. Seems like only lots of vibrant greenery-filled locations with half-bare female butts counts as a valid climactic location for a 007 flick.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Bond

Spoiler

killing Silva

was proof he gave a sh** about Severine. I like the fact he even cares about the throwaway girls as much as he and we like to pretend her doesn't. After all, he gave Greene a taste of his own medicine so to speak after what happened with Strawberry Fields!

I don't think that even crossed Bond's mind at the time. He was simply trying to save M. It's not like he said "that's for Severine!" There was only a few seconds to act.

 

[Octoberist]

Jones > Jinx. I completely agree with everything you said, but DAD does that as well, without having one compelling character. Renard is wasted, but he is compelling. Elektra is wasted, but is compelling. Nothing compelling in DAD.

Well both movies are just bad even with their potential. DAD started off well (sans the stupid surfing to North Korea shot) but things fall apart 30
mins in. If Indy has 'Nuke the Fridge' then Bond has 'Hang-gliding Against A Badly Animated Wave'.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

At least Craig is 'back on track' with Skyfall.
Brosnan made one good Bond movie and the Bond movies that followed range from average to absolutely DIRE.

Dalton gets the short end of the stick, I've watched both his movies again and both (imho) are excellent but he is considered by many as the worst Bond.

Dalton is good. TLAD isn't bad, but LTK kinda is.

Craig was never off the tracks. His performance has been perfect so far.

Bond rankings after the marathon and seeing Skyfall.

1. Casino Royale
2. FRWL
3. Skyfall
4. OHMSS
5. Thunderball
6. Goldfinger
7. QoS
8. GoldenEye

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think that even crossed Bond's mind at the time. He was simply trying to save M. It's not like he said "that's for Severine!" There was only a few seconds to act.

Bond's feelings for woman are nicely illustrated in QoS. Vesper, Fields, M and Camille all touch on the different ways he sees women and the end of the film emphasis how he is with them. You'd have to actually watch it to get that first though. t:

 

[Gianakin_]

I never got the "LtK got screwed because it was too dark" consensus. I get it for QoS, but LtK? It was full of cheese, even moreso than TLD. And the shame lies in the fact that Dalton was clearly uncomfortable in TLD, whereas he was more at ease with LtK. Dalton's GE would've been great.

And don't even get me started on John Glen as a director. I mean, QoS had tons of beautiful shots or entire sequences, it had a vision. All Glen-directed Bond movies (aka all the 80s) were bland and uninspired, almost straight-to-VHS.

 

[Gianakin_]

Bond's feelings for woman are nicely illustrated in QoS. Vesper, Fields, M and Camille all touch on the different ways he sees women and the end of the film emphasis how he is with them. You'd have to actually watch it to get that first though. t:

Didn't help him that Severine [BLACKOUT]was dressed up like betrayal-day Vesper when Silva kills her[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Slushy]

I will never, ever get the "trying too hard" argument. Sure, they should try less to deliver a good film within their powers and the extremely difficult conditions of the Writers' Strike. Next time call in Bay.

They might as well have. There was so much action in QOS, I'm surprised there wasn't an explosion every 15 minutes!

I don't think that even crossed Bond's mind at the time.

I disagree. Bond's chat at the bar, intentionally missing, and his reaction to what happens on the island is proof that that played into a factor of making him have Silva get the point!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I never got the "LtK got screwed because it was too dark" consensus. I get it for QoS, but LtK? It was full of cheese, even moreso than TLD. And the shame lies in the fact that Dalton was clearly uncomfortable in TLD, whereas he was more at ease with LtK. Dalton's GE would've been great.

And don't even get me started on John Glen as a director. I mean, QoS had tons of beautiful shots or entire sequences, it had a vision. All Glen-directed Bond movies (aka all the 80s) were bland and uninspired, almost straight-to-VHS.

LTK could of been an episode of Miami Vice.

And yeah, never got the idea of being "dark". Felix loses his leg in such a cheesy way.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't think that even crossed Bond's mind at the time. He was simply trying to save M. It's not like he said "that's for Severine!" There was only a few seconds to act.

Someone need to ask Sam Mendes why he shot the scene like that. I'm curious.

It's very sad that [BLACKOUT]her poor corpse[/BLACKOUT] is just dangling there, then Bond quips a joke then the heroic MI6 copters arrive with the Bond theme. I know the questionable history of Bond and women, and I know he's a spy but its a weird shot.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They might as well have. There was so much action in QOS, I'm surprised there wasn't an explosion every 15 minutes!



I disagree. Bond's chat at the bar, intentionally missing, and his reaction to what happens on the island is proof that that played into a factor of making him have Silva get the point!

Then why didn't he just kill him when he could have during the chase? I understand keeping him alive for questioning earlier, but not at that point.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Dalton is good. TLAD isn't bad, but LTK kinda is.

Craig was never off the tracks. His performance has been perfect so far.

Bond rankings after the marathon and seeing Skyfall.

1. Casino Royale
2. FRWL
3. Skyfall
4. OHMSS
5. Thunderball
6. Goldfinger
7. QoS
8. GoldenEye

Why did you enjoy QoS more than GoldenEye?

 

[Gianakin_]

They might as well have. There was so much action in QOS, I'm surprised there wasn't an explosion every 15 minutes!

Again, Writers' Strike. Made them went for the minimal (story) approach. Did it work? Not much. But they didn't resort to ninjas, like DarthSkywalker said.

 

[Octoberist]

I never got the "LtK got screwed because it was too dark" consensus. I get it for QoS, but LtK? It was full of cheese, even moreso than TLD. And the shame lies in the fact that Dalton was clearly uncomfortable in TLD, whereas he was more at ease with LtK. Dalton's GE would've been great.

And don't even get me started on John Glen as a director. I mean, QoS had tons of beautiful shots or entire sequences, it had a vision. All Glen-directed Bond movies (aka all the 80s) were bland and uninspired, almost straight-to-VHS.

I don't understand EON's insistence of reusing Glen 5 times in a row. It comes off as lazy.

 

[spider-neil]

Dalton is good. TLAD isn't bad, but LTK kinda is.

Craig was never off the tracks. His performance has been perfect so far.

Bond rankings after the marathon and seeing Skyfall.

1. Casino Royale
2. FRWL
3. Skyfall
4. OHMSS
5. Thunderball
6. Goldfinger
7. QoS
8. GoldenEye

I take it you have that sweet sweet blu ray box set as well?

Mine is;

1. Goldfinder
Imho the quintessential bond movie. Everything I want in a Bond movie is right here. The action, the gadgets, the henchman, the villian, the base.

2. Skyfall.
Blown away by this movie.

3. Goldeneye.
4. The Spy who loved me.
5. Licence to Kill.

I'm not talking about quality of movie, I'm talking pure enjoyement while I was watching. I can't see myself watching many of the Bond movies again after watching them in a marathan session but these movies I will DEFINATELY watch again, therefore they are my favorites.