James Bond In Skyfall - - - Part 12

[cabel]

I just watched For Your Eyes Only, was it ever explained why the girl left her oxygen tank on the ocean floor or did I miss it?

 

[jacobed]

Like hell they do. They're my favorites. Some of the special fx are a bit dated, but that just adds to charm of it.

Has nothing to do with the special effects. The fight is Oddjob walking up to Bond than hardly touching him and than Connery throws himself across the room. It's so painful to watch.

 

[The Joker]

Has nothing to do with the special effects.

I was talking about the Fort Knox assault there.

The fight is Oddjob walking up to Bond than hardly touching him and than Connery throws himself across the room. It's so painful to watch.

Hardly touching him? Oddjob throws Bond into a wall twice, tosses him across the room, karate chops him in the stomach etc. Not once does Connery just throw himself across the room. And Bond lands his blows on Oddjob, but to no effect. Like slamming him in the face with the plank of wood, throwing the gold bullion at Oddjob's chest, and trying to get him in a head lock. Oddjob was the first of those archetype mute super strong henchmen. A trend starter. Which is what Goldfinger was. Establishment of the classic Bond formula.

Love the Oddjob fight. The electrocution at the end was the icing on the cake.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I was talking about the Fort Knox assault there.



Hardly touching him? Oddjob throws Bond into a wall twice, tosses him across the room, karate chops him in the stomach etc. Not once does Connery just throw himself across the room. And Bond lands his blows on Oddjob, but to no effect. Like slamming him in the face with the plank of wood, throwing the gold bullion at Oddjob's chest, and trying to get him in a head lock. Oddjob was the first of those archetype mute super strong henchmen. A trend starter. Which is what Goldfinger was. Establishment of the classic Bond formula.

Love the Oddjob fight. The electrocution at the end was the icing on the cake.

I mean, it's good for what it is, but in terms of choreography, it's pretty bland. Too much "bad guy is going to throw good guy everywhere" going on. I know that Goldfinger was a much different movie stylistically then the Craig bonds, and they weren't looking to do a more brutal style of choreography that the Craig bonds have, but even for it's time the fight wasn't all that interesting. The train fight on FRWL was much, much better in my opinion.

 

[The Joker]

The train fight in FRWL was Bond facing someone who he could match in physical prowess. Oddjob was a different kind of opponent. He completely out classed Bond in strength. He could take planks of wood slammed across his face with a smile, and gold bullion bars bounce off his chest like rubber balls. You could never have had Bond man handling Oddjob the way he did with Grant.

It was great to see Bond have to rely on his wits rather than brute strength to beat someone one on one.

 

[Infinity9999x]

The train fight in FRWL was Bond facing someone who he could match in physical prowess. Oddjob was a different kind of opponent. He completely out classed Bond in strength. He could take planks of wood slammed across his face with a smile, and gold bullion bars bounce off his chest like rubber balls. You could never have had Bond man handling Oddjob the way he did with Grant.

It was great to see Bond have to rely on his wits rather than brute strength to beat someone one on one.

That part I didn't mind, I always like seeing the hero use his wits to win, but I'm just talking in terms of choreography. While I'm not a huge fan of the movie, the 04' Punnisher showed how you can still have a kinetic fight with one opponent being vastly stronger then the other. The choreography was just very slow, and not all that creative, and the fight itself just was never all that interesting to me.

 

[The Joker]

That part I didn't mind, I always like seeing the hero use his wits to win, but I'm just talking in terms of choreography. While I'm not a huge fan of the movie, the 04' Punnisher showed how you can still have a kinetic fight with one opponent being vastly stronger then the other. The choreography was just very slow, and not all that creative, and the fight itself just was never all that interesting to me.

Your loss, I suppose. I loved it. Bond looked out of his depth, and Oddjob was treating him like rag doll, and enjoying it, all while the bomb was ticking down.

Class.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Your loss, I suppose. I loved it. Bond looked out of his depth, and Oddjob was treating him like rag doll, and enjoying it, all while the bomb was ticking down.

Class.

Yeah, it's just not my speed really. Fight choreography is actually something I may be trying to get into for a profession, and my own personal taste in hand to hand scenes is when you really see the blows land on the combatants, or at least the hero when he's fighting the unnaturally strong villain type. I don't think it's horrible, but it's not my favorite fight. The Craig bond fights are just more to my kind of taste really.

 

[Dark Raven]

I was talking about the Fort Knox assault there.



Hardly touching him? Oddjob throws Bond into a wall twice, tosses him across the room, karate chops him in the stomach etc. Not once does Connery just throw himself across the room. And Bond lands his blows on Oddjob, but to no effect. Like slamming him in the face with the plank of wood, throwing the gold bullion at Oddjob's chest, and trying to get him in a head lock. Oddjob was the first of those archetype mute super strong henchmen. A trend starter. Which is what Goldfinger was. Establishment of the classic Bond formula.

Love the Oddjob fight. The electrocution at the end was the icing on the cake.

I liked all of that too. I like when Bond is the underdog and has opponents who far outclass him and he has to use his wits to beat them right at the end, like he did with Oddjob. Craig's fights so far seem to have been purely by brute force. Connery was tough but still had to do something else to beat Oddjob, which adds to the charm of the action scene.

Craig just threw his knife at Silva. Very anticlimactic there. I don't mind Bond winning by brute force occasionally, like in the stairwell fight in CR, the fight against Red Grant or the fight in the elevator in DAF, but I do like these occasional added elements which have always been more Bondian where he has to use something else, otherwise it just makes him like any other action hero.

Don't get me wrong. Where Bond should be able to beat an opponent physically, I want to see him do that. I liked how Connery picked up that sofa as a battering ram in YOLT or how he slung the arian henchman over his shoulder at the end of the movie. I didn't like however, how Brosnan had enemies like Renard who was much slighter than him, and still Brosnan was having trouble. That sort of thing should only be with a much bigger opponent. Most other Bonds would've had no trouble with him.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I liked all of that too. I like when Bond is the underdog and has opponents who far outclass him and he has to use his wits to beat them right at the end, like he did with Oddjob. Craig's fights so far seem to have been purely by brute force. Connery was tough but still had to do something else to beat Oddjob, which adds to the charm of the action scene.

Craig just threw his knife at Silva. Very anticlimactic there. I don't mind Bond winning by brute force occasionally, like in the stairwell fight in CR, the fight against Red Grant or the fight in the elevator in DAF, but I do like these occasional added elements which have always been more Bondian where he has to use something else, otherwise it just makes him like any other action hero.

Don't get me wrong. Where Bond should be able to beat an opponent physically, I want to see him do that. I liked how Connery picked up that sofa as a battering ram in YOLT or how he slung the arian henchman over his shoulder at the end of the movie. I didn't like however, how Brosnan had enemies like Renard who was much slighter than him, and still Brosnan was having trouble. That sort of thing should only be with a much bigger opponent. Most other Bonds would've had no trouble with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6yhuzXST8Y&feature=fvwrel

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Yeah, it's just not my speed really. Fight choreography is actually something I may be trying to get into for a profession, and my own personal taste in hand to hand scenes is when you really see the blows land on the combatants, or at least the hero when he's fighting the unnaturally strong villain type. I don't think it's horrible, but it's not my favorite fight. The Craig bond fights are just more to my kind of taste really.

These were also some of the first of their kind, for Bond. It'd be like me taking points off Star Wars (Ep. 4) for how god awful the fight with Obi/Vader is. Yeah, it's not as cool as something say Them fighting each other in their youth, but it was made when not many things like this were being seen, so it's understandable. Also, I'd like to say, the Oddjob v. Bond fight is great. Kinda funny how they gave Goldfinger his death though, Lol.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

This proves that Craig's imitating Dalton's gunbarrel. Good, because it's my favorite non-CR gunbarrel. Brosnan's pretty graceful, too.

I quite liked all of Brosnan's gunbarrels. Despite D.A.D. being less than great, I liked the bullet flying at you.

 

[Infinity9999x]

These were also some of the first of their kind, for Bond. It'd be like me taking points off Star Wars (Ep. 4) for how god awful the fight with Obi/Vader is. Yeah, it's not as cool as something say Them fighting each other in their youth, but it was made when not many things like this were being seen, so it's understandable. Also, I'd like to say, the Oddjob v. Bond fight is great. Kinda funny how they gave Goldfinger his death though, Lol.

Yeah, I was actually thinking of using ANH as an example as well. I understand that these were earlier incarnations, so I give them some leeway. However, trying to compare the oddjob fight to some of the craig fights, to me...well, it's no contest.

 

[Visceral]

Yeah, it's just not my speed really. Fight choreography is actually something I may be trying to get into for a profession, and my own personal taste in hand to hand scenes is when you really see the blows land on the combatants, or at least the hero when he's fighting the unnaturally strong villain type. I don't think it's horrible, but it's not my favorite fight. The Craig bond fights are just more to my kind of taste really.

do you fight right now?

 

[Infinity9999x]

do you fight right now?

I've choreographed quite a few things at my college and student films, as well as doing work for other highschools and things like that. I'm currently applying to grad schools to get my MFA in acting, but stage combat is a big passion of mine. I'm currently choreographing a fight sequence for a Wolverine short film that I'll be playing Wolverine in, and I'm working on the combat for Romeo and Juliet, which I'm playing Romeo in.

I love stage combat, and trying to get into choreographing/stunt work if I can't make it as an actor is something I've really been considering.

 

[Spoonman]

So, now that SkyFall is also doing great in the US Box Office, how feasible it is for Mendes to comeback for Bond 24? Personally I loved SkyFall (on par with CS for me) so if Mendes comes back I would be one happy camper.

 

[spider-neil]

Mendes would great but Nolan would be perfect.

 

[Spider-Who?]

All the James Bonds down the barrel.

This is awesome.

PB is my favorite here. It's such a shame his movies turned to crap after GE - from an actors standpoint, he's my favorite Bond (Craig is 2nd).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I liked all of that too. I like when Bond is the underdog and has opponents who far outclass him and he has to use his wits to beat them right at the end, like he did with Oddjob. Craig's fights so far seem to have been purely by brute force. Connery was tough but still had to do something else to beat Oddjob, which adds to the charm of the action scene.

Craig just threw his knife at Silva. Very anticlimactic there. I don't mind Bond winning by brute force occasionally, like in the stairwell fight in CR, the fight against Red Grant or the fight in the elevator in DAF, but I do like these occasional added elements which have always been more Bondian where he has to use something else, otherwise it just makes him like any other action hero.

Don't get me wrong. Where Bond should be able to beat an opponent physically, I want to see him do that. I liked how Connery picked up that sofa as a battering ram in YOLT or how he slung the arian henchman over his shoulder at the end of the movie. I didn't like however, how Brosnan had enemies like Renard who was much slighter than him, and still Brosnan was having trouble. That sort of thing should only be with a much bigger opponent. Most other Bonds would've had no trouble with him.

There is no greater display of Bond's wit then the end of Skyfall. Out-manned, outgunned, and he takes down Silva and all his men with a hunting rifle, knife, two senior citizens who can barely shoot straight and a couple of sticks of dynamite. He rigs the house with booby traps and takes down a helicopter for Godsake.

You are leaving out the context of what happens with Silva and Bond. They aren't going to fist fight. That isn't Silva's style and his death scene is based around his and Bond's relationship with M. It isn't simply throwing a knife at Silva, it actually has layers. It shows that she did do one thing right, Bond. That Silva stands in stark contrast to him in that very scene and the movie as a whole is what is important. Showing what Bond could of become, but didn't because of the man he is at his core. Silva begs for release while Bond endures. That is why M was right about him. Silva was wrong, she wasn't lying to Bond, she was trusting him.

You also completely miss the point of most, if not all of Craig's action scenes. He rarely, if ever wins by brute force. Sometimes he wins by technique, sometimes by wit and sometimes through sheer determination. The only time he brute forced anyone was the CR PTS.

He didn't brute force the guys in the stairway fight, or the opening chase, or the collapsing building scene in CR. He didn't just brute force in any of the chase scenes, elevator scene or finale in QoS. He couldn't brute force Patrice (and eventually shot twice for his effort), Severine's bodyguards or any of the many men of Silva he killed.

 

[the dmg]

All the James Bonds down the barrel.

The sequence is incomplete, as Bob Simmons isn't there.

 

[Infinity9999x]

There is no greater display of Bond's wit then the end of Skyfall. Out-manned, outgunned, and he takes down Silva and all his men with a hunting rifle, knife, two senior citizens who can barely shoot straight and a couple of sticks of dynamite. He rigs the house with booby traps and takes down a helicopter for Godsake.

You are leaving out the context of what happens with Silva and Bond. They aren't going to fist fight. That isn't Silva's style and his death scene is based around his and Bond's relationship with M. It isn't simply throwing a knife Silva, it actually has layers. It shows that she did do one thing right. Bond.

You also completely miss the point of most, if not all of Craig's action scenes. He rarely, if ever wins by brute force. Sometimes he wins by technique, sometimes by wit and sometimes through sheer determination. The only time he brute forced anyone was the QoS.

He didn't brute force the guys in the stairway fight, or the opening chase, or the collapsing building scene in CR. He didn't just brute force in any of the chase scenes, elevator scene or finale in QoS. He couldn't brute force Patrice, Severine's body guards or any of the many men of Silva he killed.

Completely agree. And another great example of Craig's Bond not winning by "brute force" is the link I posted in response to the orignal quote. The airport chase/fight sequence. He lost the fight against that hitman, but he was smart enough to place the explose on his opponent.

 

[Golgo-13]

All the James Bonds down the barrel.

I'm sorry but Lazenby looks ridiculous.

 

[jacobed]

There is no greater display of Bond's wit then the end of Skyfall. Out-manned, outgunned, and he takes down Silva and all his men with a hunting rifle, knife, two senior citizens who can barely shoot straight and a couple of sticks of dynamite. He rigs the house with booby traps and takes down a helicopter for Godsake.

You are leaving out the context of what happens with Silva and Bond. They aren't going to fist fight. That isn't Silva's style and his death scene is based around his and Bond's relationship with M. It isn't simply throwing a knife Silva, it actually has layers. It shows that she did do one thing right. Bond.

You also completely miss the point of most, if not all of Craig's action scenes. He rarely, if ever wins by brute force. Sometimes he wins by technique, sometimes by wit and sometimes through sheer determination. The only time he brute forced anyone was the CR PTS.

He didn't brute force the guys in the stairway fight, or the opening chase, or the collapsing building scene in CR. He didn't just brute force in any of the chase scenes, elevator scene or finale in QoS. He couldn't brute force Patrice, Severine's body guards or any of the many men of Silva he killed.

Oofta that was good stuff. Very well said sir

 

[Rowsdower!]

Watching this makes me want to see a James Bond musical.

 

[CConn]

I'm sorry but Lazenby looks ridiculous.

Lazenby looks almost identical to Connery.