James Bond In Skyfall - Part 3

[A Necessary Evil]

Ok I see. It makes more sense now. It wouldn't have made sense for you to like some of those other John Barry scores and not MR, DAF, Octopussy and AVTAK, as those are all pretty good. I wouldn't know of many fans who like the Goldeneye score either.

I enjoy two tracks from the Goldeneye score. Also the arranged Tank Chase.

Everything else sucks.

The N64 score ruled though.

The best thing musically about Goldeneye is the theme. I don't really like any of the scores for Brosnan's films.

I love all the David Arnold scores...

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

My top ten:

Casino Royale
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
Goldeneye
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
Dr. No
Thunderball
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Living Daylights
You Only Live Twice

We have the same movies in our top tens.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Yeah, but that's true of everyone EXCEPT Sean Connery. So, you can't penalize Brosnan for that.
Ian Fleming's Bond was a typical British snob from the 1950s. He was, shall we say, a David Niven type. So, adapted for the 1990s, Pierce Brosnan is an accurate portrayal of Flemings Bond. Even ChickenScratch, the resident Bond novel fan, is a fan of Brosnan's look.

Oh no! But Bros had all the potential to be the greatest Bond ever and never realized it. He looks close enough to the character but he's more Hollywood Handsome rather than the dark, cruel looking guy. GE was a pretty action oriented, down and dirty movie and you could pretty much see that things were in that Dalton vein. If they kept in that vein he could have been the best.

Now wouldnt it have been cool if they followed GE with CR? I know they didnt have the rights at the time but GE then jump back and do CR and have what his name, Sean Bean in Both as adversary and ally.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ian Fleming's Bond was a typical British snob from the 1950s. He was, shall we say, a David Niven type. So, adapted for the 1990s, Pierce Brosnan is an accurate portrayal of Flemings Bond. Even ChickenScratch, the resident Bond novel fan, is a fan of Brosnan's look.

Dalton looked far more rugged and accurate. Brosnan looks more like a male model for a haircare product who wouldn't get his hands dirty let alone in a fist fight. British "snobs" aren't only David Niven types. Is that the only kind of British gentleman you can envisage? That's a rather narrow view. Niven is more like an English squire or butler (even Alfred the Butler seems modelled after him). Bond in the novels wasn't written like that.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

WE all know that QoS was a rushed prject partly due the the writers affecting the movie's script .
I do feel that there really is no room for error for Skyfall. The script was done when the whole MGM debacle happened and the producers stopped production.
And once the everything was settled , production resumed. So they ave had enough time to fine tune the script.

As much as i'm looking forward to Skyfall is baffles me why the budget is as big as QoS.

It wasn't the script I had a problem with. It was the action. It was all blurry, shaky cam garbage and I couldn't see what was going on.

 

[Spoonman]

Dalton looked far more rugged and accurate. Brosnan looks more like a male model for a haircare product who wouldn't get his hands dirty let alone in a fist fight. British "snobs" aren't only David Niven types. Is that the only kind of British gentleman you can envisage? That's a rather narrow view. Niven is more like an English squire or butler (even Alfred the Butler seems modelled after him). Bond in the novels wasn't written like that.

Exactly! Couldn't agree more with you. Not only that, but Dalton, from all the actors who have played the role, is the closest to Fleming's depiction of the character. At least the way I remember Fleming describing Bond's facial features, Dalton was the man.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

Fleming based Bond's look on Hoagy Carmichael.

That's a little ugly for a guy who is supposed to be a ladies man. So, the comic strip artist fixed up the image a bit.

That's obviously a `50s Bond. That look wouldn't work in the `90s. So we got this instead:

 

[DyeLorean]

Don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer a good acting rather than good looks.
Daniel Craig isn't exactly the most beautiful man in the world, but I think his Bond is great. Casino Royale is what it is mostly because of him.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer a good acting rather than good looks.
Daniel Craig isn't exactly the most beautiful man in the world, but I think his Bond is great. Casino Royale is what it is mostly because of him.

i agree...Craig is easily my favorite Bond.

 

[Spoonman]

Don't know about the rest of you, but I prefer a good acting rather than good looks.
Daniel Craig isn't exactly the most beautiful man in the world, but I think his Bond is great. Casino Royale is what it is mostly because of him.

I agree with you completely, and Craig is my favourite also, but I think we can have both the acting and the looks, thats why I champion Dalton a lot. Also, that comic strip above (fully endorsed y Fleming, BTW) looks a lot like Dalton, except for the hairline of course.

 

[Dark Raven]

For those who say that Dalton isn't considered attractive, he was used by Alex Ross as the template for Tony Stark in Marvels:

I'd say that Dalton looks a lot more like classic Stark from the 60s, 70s and early 80s than RDJ does.

And Dalton doesn't look that different from Patrick Stewart

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

The N64 score ruled though.

Brings back great memories.

 

[Sebastos]

We have the same movies in our top tens.

 

[Dark Knight]

I really hope Skyfall makes up for QoS, Casino really was the kick in the butt the series needed but was sadly followed up by a less than worthy successor. The worst thing for Bond now would be for Skyfall to be of QoS quality.

I fully expect SkyFall to be a much better overall film than QOS and I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up being one of the best Bond films after it is all said and done.

We have a very solid director like Mendes running the show, and they have had plenty of time to polish the story and script.

Plus we get to see Craig go toe to toe with other great actors like Bardem and Fiennes!

 

[matrix_ghost]

It wasn't the script I had a problem with. It was the action. It was all blurry, shaky cam garbage and I couldn't see what was going on.

Oh totally.
It's this type of action that makes me dislike the Bourne series.

 

[jmc]

The Bourne series is a good set of movies. I imagine had the first James Bond film been made today the tone and feel would be very similar. Part of me wishes we could start Bond entirely from scratch sometimes. I'd love a proper reboot.

 

[kit1982]

The Bourne series is a good set of movies. I imagine had the first James Bond film been made today the tone and feel would be very similar. Part of me wishes we could start Bond entirely from scratch sometimes. I'd love a proper reboot.

But why? Bonds got such a rich tapestry. I mean it's the history which seperates the brand from all the others. There's nothing else out there quite like it.

 

[Homer J. Fong]

The Bourne series is a good set of movies. I imagine had the first James Bond film been made today the tone and feel would be very similar. Part of me wishes we could start Bond entirely from scratch sometimes. I'd love a proper reboot.

How was Casino Royale not a proper reboot?

 

[JAK®]

Dalton had the potential to be the perfect Bond, but The Living Daylights was mediocre and Licence To Kill, although in my opinion a very good film (and the reason why I regard Dalton so highly), was just too much of a deviation from the Bond formula.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya casino royale is a proper restart/reboot to bond. We saw how he began, how he got his 00 status and grows as a agent.

 

[jmc]

How was Casino Royale not a proper reboot?

Casino Royale was a continuity reboot, I'm talking about starting completely from scratch as if the character never had a film before, using Fleming novels as the basis for story, that's a proper reboot. They're not going to go back and remake the likes of Goldfinger or From Russia with Love.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

That was casino royale.

 

[Dark Raven]

Casino Royale was a continuity reboot, I'm talking about starting completely from scratch as if the character never had a film before, using Fleming novels as the basis for story, that's a proper reboot. They're not going to go back and remake the likes of Goldfinger or From Russia with Love.

If those 60s films were relatively obscure and weren't classics, then I can imagine they would go back and remake them. However, they are watched so often and have been seen by so many people that they're probably the equivalent of fresh, modern day films. I don't know of any other movies from 50 years ago that are shown so often, seen by so many and discussed on such a regular basis. I don't think anyone's going to want to touch them.

 

[Call Me Darkman]

I'm talking about starting completely from scratch as if the character never had a film before, using Fleming novels as the basis for story, that's a proper reboot. They're not going to go back and remake the likes of Goldfinger or From Russia with Love.

It's completely pointless to adapt the novels again. The books were about the cold war. If they adapted the novels now, they wouldn't be able to use any of the material. Look at Casino Royal for example. There's maybe like 5% of the book in that movie. As someone said earlier, what makes this franchise so special is it's history. Next year is the 50th anniversary of this series. And each film, both the good and bad ones, capture a piece of world history. It's a time capsule.

 

[Spoonman]

I am perfectly happy with the continuity reboot that was Casino Royale, no need to touch the classics like FRWL or GF IMO, just take care of the rebooted series and utilize that good foundation that was the CR movie; and I am sure Mendes will acomplish such thing with Skyfall.