James Bond In Skyfall - Part 8

[Dark Raven]

I also should tell you guys that Darth Skywalker hates all the Bond movies before CR.

That's exactly the impression he gives.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I thought License to Kill was actually rated R.

It originally got an R. Then it was recut and got a PG-13 when it was resubmitted to the MPAA.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Ah okay. Thanks.

 

[Webhead2006]

Cool cover and articles for ew. Sounds like a good read. Got to find a copy myself. As for themes I have enjoyed a lot of them myself. I don't know out of connery to bronson would be my fav. Been awhile since I seen all the films. So I don't recall all the themes. I did really like chris one for casino royale, as for qos theme I actually liked it myself.

As for adele I wouldn't mind if she is indeed the artist picked. But its hasn't been officially said yet and she has been a strong rumor since late last yr. We should be finding out by the end of the month as other posters have said in the past.

 

[Mandalore464]

Life's funny.

Haven't talked about Bond films in months, perhaps years. And the day I do (yesterday) is the day they choose to broadcast A View To A Kill on National TV. Which is even funnier because that's one of the few Bond films I mentioned yesterday as well...

Needless to say, I watched it. Full of cheese, but as good as they come as far as the Moore era is concerned.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I also should tell you guys that Darth Skywalker hates all the Bond movies before CR.

Why make stuff up? I simply like the good films in the series. You know, DR. No, FRWL, Goldfinger, Thunderball, OHMSS, Goldeneye, CR, QoS. Though I do still have my guilty pleasures in the series like TWINE and TLD.

Bond is also an inspiration for most 80s action heroes too. Calm under pressure, a shoot first guy, and loose with the women.

I'd say him and Eastwood's Man With No Name were the first modern action heroes as James Bond movies starting with Goldfinger are largely considered action movies.



I thought License to Kill was actually rated R.

If they are the inspiration of the 80s action heroes, how can they also be the first modern action heroes? When the 80s action hero is all but died out, in favor of something more akin to Bourne or just straight up superheroes?

And I suggest watching pre-60s westerns. That is where the likes of Blondie and Bond first show up.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh, Bond gets the stuffing beat out of him/tortured/shot up in just about every book. It's the movies that make him seem so invincible.

But we are talking about the movie one here.

That's Bond bloody and beaten in Dr. No. He also spent six months in hospital just prior to the start of the film.

As for Indy, he went to Pankot to get the Stones. He changed his goal while he was there and saw what was really going on. We know this to be the case because he gets the Stones and is about to leave before he hears the screams of the children and his conscience gets the better of him. Indy always does what's right in the end. The keyword there being 'end'. He does progress throughout the series. He is far more selfish in ToD than he is in KotCS. As for the Ark, he is not just acting to prevent the Nazis from getting it. He even has a chance to destroy it near the end and he chooses to allow himself get captured and allow the Nazis to use it rather than do so. He is unwilling to destroy the Ark to save the world and Belloq correctly calls his bluff.

I just watched this two nights ago. Indy's decision making on going to Pankot is made with the thought of the missing children in mind.

And you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth on this one. First, he picks the Ark over Marion. Then when he decides he doesn't want to kill her, he is being selfish. Those arguments don't mix.

And honestly, look at the state of heroes after a battle now. That wouldn't even be lightly messed up in this day and age.

I seem to remember Moore getting his but whooped in Beirut, I think it was to the point he even shed some blood.

John Mcclane's feet smile at this being called "whooped".

Or Hannibal Lector has a room for rent t:

Yep

Bond got pretty roughed up in Dr.No

Pierce Brosnan's Bond wasn't invincible either. He busted his shoulder/arm up The World Is Not Enough and spent the opening credits of Die Another Day being tortured (Being stung by scorpions and then given the antidote, dunked in icy water, being beaten and electrocuted) which took place over a number of months in the film I believe.

Daniel Craig got Dutch Scratched in Casino Royale too.

Both of which came out after Indy and Die Hard. Which was the point.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Just watched the latest trailer - Fantastic!

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Die Hard is a hard R Rating. Obviously James Bond and Indiana Jones can't get beat up as much as John McClane.

And you are arguing out of both sides of your mouth on this one. First, he picks the Ark over Marion. Then when he decides he doesn't want to kill her, he is being selfish. Those arguments don't mix.

You seem to be confused. The first time is at Tunis when he makes the choice to leave Marion with the Nazis and go after the Ark instead. You said it was because of the greater good of not letting the Ark fall into Nazi hands.

But that doesn't fly with the second time. The second time is when he is threatening to blow up the Ark on the island in exchange for her freedom. He could have ended it right there, but he does not because he simply isn't willing to destroy the Ark. He wants the Ark even if it risks losing Marion and letting Hitler get his hands on it. Belloq even clears the area and gives him a free shot, because he knows he won't do it.

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I just watched this two nights ago. Indy's decision making on going to Pankot is made with the thought of the missing children in mind.

You're drawing conclusions that aren't shown on screen. And like I said, that Indy was in the process of leaving after first getting the Stones shows otherwise.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Die Hard is a hard R Rating. Obviously James Bond and Indiana Jones can't get beat up as much as John McClane.

Yes, but that doesn't change how much that plays into the action heroes of today. From Bourne to Batman. PG-13 today is also a lot different from PG-13 when it started in the 80s.

You seem to be confused. The first time is at Tunis when he makes the choice to leave Marion with the Nazis and go after the Ark instead. You said it was because of the greater good of not letting the Ark fall into Nazi hands.

But that doesn't fly with the second time. The second time is when he is threatening to blow up the Ark on the island in exchange for her freedom. He could have ended it right there, but he does not because he simply isn't willing to destroy the Ark. He wants the Ark even if it risks losing Marion and letting Hitler get his hands on it. Belloq even clears the area and gives him a free shot, because he knows he won't do it.

I am not confused. He leaves Marion because he knows she is safe and he couldn't alert Belloq to the fact that he was there. He always plans to comeback and save her.

The second moment isn't a black and white choice. First they aren't willing to give up Marion and blowing it up would of resulted in both their deaths. Indy isn't able to go that step beyond, to basically seal Marion's death. And yes, Belloq appeals to his desire as a archeologist and his sense of wonder. But if his intentions were not pure, if they were tainted like Belloq's, he'd be dead. He is able to give up seeing the wonder.

You could in a way compare it to Casino Royale. When Bond is suddenly ready to "kill" Vesper in his hurt and anger, only for a few minutes later for him to dive in and risk his life to save her.

There is a difference when actual death is in sight.

 

[Hunter Rider]

 

[craigdbfan]

Simply gorgeous.

 

[AnneFan]

Anne has my heart but these are nice shots. With lots of darkness and gloom in the world, I take solace in beautiful things.

 

[Dark Raven]

Anne has my heart but these are nice shots. With lots of darkness and gloom in the world, I take solace in beautiful things.

Full solace or just a quantum of solace?

Those are great shots of Berenice. She looks very sexy in them. We just need to check her over from head to toe to make sure there are no hidden surprises.

 

[AnneFan]

Full solace or just a quantum of solace?

Full solace courtesy of the lovely woman in my avatar.

I have high hopes for Bernice in Skyfall. She looks like she has the goods based on the trailers (talking to Bond in the casino, in her apartment and also in the shower.) I think with Silva and Severine we're looking at memorable characters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So is she the main Bond girl or not? I thought she was, the promotion is pushing her as such and yet people here have told me she isn't.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'm thinking Severine will be the "evil" Bond girl, but I'm kinda hoping she isn't because well.. Naomie Harris is a hottie in her own right, but I don't even think I'd put her in the same league as Berenice. And Bond should always wind up with the hottest babe at the end. I tend to feel gypped when he doesn't.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

One of the worst decisions in recent Bond memory was the switcharoo with Pike and Berry. The characters and actresses were far more suited to the original idea, but no Berry had to be "the Bond girl". So stupid.

 

[AnneFan]

I think Severine will have a decent ammount of airtime, but she does have connections to Silva and isn't the main Bond girl in that sense.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bond doesn't normally end up with his fellow agents. They're usually just home grown talent and not really the most exotic of women. Apart from Diana Rigg (who wasn't an agent in her case) Bond doesn't usually end up with the British Bond girl. They seem there more for casual flirtations. I'm hoping this continues, as Berenice is much hotter than Harris.

 

[Rowsdower!]

One of the worst decisions in recent Bond memory was the switcharoo with Pike and Berry. The characters and actresses were far more suited to the original idea, but no Berry had to be "the Bond girl". So stupid.

Yeah... but there were so many stupid things about that movie that it really didn't matter in the end.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Severine will have a decent ammount of airtime, but she does have connections to Silva and isn't the main Bond girl in that sense.

Well a lot of the main Bond girls start off on the wrong side but swing over to the right such as ***** Galore, Domino etc. Even Stacey Sutton had some connections to Zorin didn't she?

Strangely enough, in Licence to Kill, both Bond girls made it through to the end of the movie, and Bond ditched one for another. You don't normally see that happening.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah... but there were so many stupid things about that movie that it really didn't matter in the end.

That is fair. But I think that is an example on a micro level why the film went of the rails on the macro. Instead of telling a strong story, they felt the need to true it into the celebration of Bond.

Still, Rosamund Pike is one of my favorites.

 

[AnneFan]

Well a lot of the main Bond girls start off on the wrong side but swing over to the right such as ***** Galore, Domino etc. Even Stacey Sutton had some connections to Zorin didn't she?

Strangely enough, in Licence to Kill, both Bond girls made it through to the end of the movie, and Bond ditched one for another. You don't normally see that happening.

It was rumoured that

Spoiler

Severine was killed on Silva's island by Silva himself. I think she's tied up in the scene where Silva aims and fires the antique gun.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Severine will have a decent ammount of airtime, but she does have connections to Silva and isn't the main Bond girl in that sense.

She seems afraid of him, so it gives me hope. Also thinking about it, don't most of the Bond girls have some sort of a connection to the villain?