Jared Leto IS The Joker - Part 1

[Rodrigo90]

The Dark Knight was pratically an adult Terrorism/political movie

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Both TWS and TDK are much more shallow on ALL levels than most fans will ever admit to. Sorry, but that's as I've always seen it.

 

[Travesty]

Do you even subtext, bro?

 

[regwec]

Nowadays, subtext is when you delegate the composition of a text message to a passenger while you drive.

 

[Keehar]

Both TWS and TDK are much more shallow on ALL levels than most fans will ever admit to. Sorry, but that's as I've always seen it.

More like most fans don't see them as shallow because they ain't.

 

[Keehar]

According to some Marvel fans The Winter Soldier was a political thriller. I don't know what that says about DC.

If they were really Marvel fans then they'd know heaps of Marvel stories have had political thriller themes. Same with DC.

 

[Greens]

If they were really Marvel fans then they'd know heaps of Marvel stories have had political thriller themes. Same with DC.

Political thriller THEMES. That doesn't mean the film is a full on political thriller.

 

[Micromind]

Political thriller THEMES. That doesn't mean the film is a full on political thriller.

^ This.

 

[The Joker]

Political thriller THEMES. That doesn't mean the film is a full on political thriller.

Exactly. That's why anyone who calls TWS, or TDK for that matter a political thriller is wrong. They have some political themes, but that doesn't make them political thrillers. There's nothing in their stories that you can't find in the comics they're based on.

 

[harryoscop]

Excellent.

Nice!

 

[Steve Holt]

More like most fans don't see them as shallow because they ain't.

i agree that the are both shallow, most of Nolans recent movies are all surface with nothing of note below, he's a good ideas man, but they get lost along the way. His movies seems to think they are smarter than they are.
his movie's are to the general population what Sweet Sour Pork and Honey Chicken are to people who think they're eating traditional chinese food.
His last good movie to me was the Prestige, and even that had 3rd act problems. Nolan is not someone who does subtle, so his dialogue is always clunky or sentimental.

TDK was overlong, tedious, and i remember thinking at the time, this is not a movie i want to sit through again. Not slighting the performances of course. Those were fantastic, Eckhart was very overlooked

TDKR was just a pile of crap, to many things wrong with the Writing and Editing, turns out batman had only been batman for like 18 months or so, bane was just a lackey in the end, bruce getting a happy ending, the whole "Robin" scene. Just as bad as "call me Cat" on Gotham. Just pandering to stupid people.

but in the end if other people enjoy his movies that's great, but I've given up after interstellar.

 

[Travesty]

Never talk bad about Robin John Blake.

Never!

 

[Keehar]

i agree that the are both shallow, most of Nolans recent movies are all surface with nothing of note below, he's a good ideas man, but they get lost along the way. His movies seems to think they are smarter than they are.
his movie's are to the general population what Sweet Sour Pork and Honey Chicken are to people who think they're eating traditional chinese food.
His last good movie to me was the Prestige, and even that had 3rd act problems. Nolan is not someone who does subtle, so his dialogue is always clunky or sentimental.

Typical lame argument that tries to say actual brilliant movies have fooled a lot of people into thinking they're brilliant when they're not really. You're basically just calling millions of people stupid and easily fooled.

Suicide Squad will be really fortunate to be as deep and as good as Winter Soldier or Dark Knight, and as successful as them too. I ain't just talking about with the fans.

TDK was overlong, tedious, and i remember thinking at the time, this is not a movie i want to sit through again. Not slighting the performances of course. Those were fantastic, Eckhart was very overlooked

TDKR was just a pile of crap, to many things wrong with the Writing and Editing, turns out batman had only been batman for like 18 months or so, bane was just a lackey in the end, bruce getting a happy ending, the whole "Robin" scene. Just as bad as "call me Cat" on Gotham. Just pandering to stupid people.

The only thing you got right there was the fantastic performances and Eckhart is underrated. The rest nope sorry.

but in the end if other people enjoy his movies that's great, but I've given up after interstellar.

No if people enjoy it. People do enjoy his movies and see them for the brilliant movies they are. That's why he's like one of the most popular directors today. A guy that popular always gets some small grumbles from people like you who try and call his brilliant flicks frauds that dupe audiences.

I'm sure his directing career will continue to thrive without your support.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Typical lame argument that tries to say actual brilliant movies have fooled a lot of people into thinking they're brilliant when they're not really. You're basically just calling millions of people stupid and easily fooled.

Suicide Squad will be really fortunate to be as deep and as good as Winter Soldier or Dark Knight, and as successful as them too. I ain't just talking about with the fans.



The only thing you got right there was the fantastic performances and Eckhart is underrated. The rest nope sorry.



No if people enjoy it. People do enjoy his movies and see them for the brilliant movies they are. That's why he's like one of the most popular directors today. A guy that popular always gets some small grumbles from people like you who try and call his brilliant flicks frauds that dupe audiences.

I'm sure his directing career will continue to thrive without your support.

 

[Keehar]

 

[The Joker]

If TDK and TWS are shallow, then the rest of the CBM franchise have as much depth as a puddle in the Sahara desert.

his movie's are to the general population what Sweet Sour Pork and Honey Chicken are to people who think they're eating traditional chinese food.

Well then most of the world must be easily duped by their Chinese food, including the likes of Steven Spielberg, Refn, P.T Anderson, Rian Johnson, James Cameron and so many more

 

[John-An]

So about that guy who will play Joker...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yes...what are his stance on politics in superhero movies?

 

[Greens]

More importantly, what is his stance on Kim Jong-Un?

 

[NoLaNitE007]

i agree that the are both shallow, most of Nolans recent movies are all surface with nothing of note below, he's a good ideas man, but they get lost along the way. His movies seems to think they are smarter than they are.
his movie's are to the general population what Sweet Sour Pork and Honey Chicken are to people who think they're eating traditional chinese food.
His last good movie to me was the Prestige, and even that had 3rd act problems. Nolan is not someone who does subtle, so his dialogue is always clunky or sentimental.

TDK was overlong, tedious, and i remember thinking at the time, this is not a movie i want to sit through again. Not slighting the performances of course. Those were fantastic, Eckhart was very overlooked

TDKR was just a pile of crap, to many things wrong with the Writing and Editing, turns out batman had only been batman for like 18 months or so, bane was just a lackey in the end, bruce getting a happy ending, the whole "Robin" scene. Just as bad as "call me Cat" on Gotham. Just pandering to stupid people.

but in the end if other people enjoy his movies that's great, but I've given up after interstellar.

 

[John-An]

That's how I would want to see Joker. not too exaggerated on prosthetics and make-up.
I'd only change the perma smile tho.

 

[Greens]

That looks great.

 

[The Joker]

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That's how I would want to see Joker. not too exaggerated on prosthetics and make-up.
I'd only change the perma smile tho.

Is the coat purple or black? Can't really tell for sure.

 

[John-An]

Maybe is the shadow that the artist wanted or am I seeing black suit with purple sleeves?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

More like most fans don't see them as shallow because they ain't.

Oh... The overreaction. Where was it stated they were SHALLOW, full stop? Re-read the post. "They are MORE shallow than fans will ever admit" isn't calling them dumb or lacking ANY merit. But... No. They aren't nearly as complex or mature or intellectual heft as many claim. If anything, the "subtext" is undermined by the BS, consequence free third option, idealized solution in TDK, and the Cliff's Notes Libertarianism of TWS is itself problematic but using it as some kind of legitimate critique of the current state of the U.S. seems a stretch at best. Does that make these films's "BAD"? No. Overrated and "more shallow" than most defenders will ever admit to? I would say that's on point.