Jared Leto IS The Joker - - - - - - - - Part 17

[Boom]

People saying they should leave the design alone, but in the very next sentence suggest getting rid of the Damaged tattoo.

 

[The Joker]

I hated the look from the jump, but some parts of it have actually grown on me, like the grill and the lack of eyebrows. But the Damaged tattoo, the jewelry and some of the clothes are truly hideous.

Yeah I don't mind the lack of eyebrows either.

 

[Wildcard]

People saying they should leave the design alone, but in the very next sentence suggest getting rid of the Damaged tattoo.

So? There's quite a difference in doing a complete overhaul and being rid of one small element.

 

[Boom]

So? There's quite a difference in doing a complete overhaul and being rid of one small element.

Considering he's wearing clothes most of the time, I don't think ditching the body tattoos is a "complete" overhaul. Hell, considering the facial tattoos are the most visible (literally at all times), getting rid of those would be more of a noticeable change than removing the body tats. It's still a key visual feature. So either you guys advocate changing things, or you don't. But you can't say you want them to keep the look as it is, and in the next breath suggest changing a key feature. Otherwise it's really not that much different than the rest of us wanting normal-looking teeth.

In the past, I've used "complete overhaul" to describe my wishes for the Joker's look to change, and perhaps it isn't the best phrase to use. I honestly don't think bleaching out the tattoos and giving him regular-looking teeth is an "overhaul." Even without the tats and grillz, the base design would remain the same. You're simply removing some embellishments.

 

[Joker123]

I actually don't mind the tattoos outside of the damaged one; I mean Joker has a BIG ego and the tattoos really highlight that. Fkr crying out loud, he has his name on his stomach, that's pretty egotisical.

 

[The Joker]

There's a plethora of better ways to show Joker is egotistical than have him write stupid distracting labels all over himself.

 

[tanita_mors]

Sure there are, but this Joker likes the cheap shock value I guess. His apperence is stricking to me. I can't imagive a single person save for Harley feeling confertable or even moderatly safe in his presence. Maybe it's too on the nose for some of you, but it ultimatly workes as far as I'm concerend.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Yea why focus on eye brows?

It doesn't look appealing and just looks too weird. There is a hint of overkill with his Joker and I think toning something's down would work. Having green eye brows would also be another way to show the damage his swim in the acid caused. I like the idea of this Jokers look but at the same time I think it can be toned down though not entirely changed: eyebrows back and not coming off or dressing like a pimp.

God people, you are so obsessed with the psychical.

I say, don't change a thing. The look is set, it's IMO works for Leto, it's different then before and just power through the hate. Don't crumble DC, don't crumble to the pressure.

Honestly, i don't care because on the whole his performance including the look worked for me. He didn't look or sound like Leto to me. Maybe some slight adjustments to the makeup, size of the grills and such aren't out of the question - you know, perfecting the look, but on the whole I wouldn't change a thing.

That works too...there are already too many people here who want to get rid of everything that made this Joker unique, his tattoos and grill, and turn him into Ledger.
So forget my idea for the eyebrows and just leave him how he is.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Pretty much how I feel. Only thing I'd change is making both he & Harley more chalk-white in skin tone.

As someone who is not good with tones of color, can you speak a little more about the changes you desire in skin tone? Did you think it wasn't white enough or did you just want the paint to be more caked on?

 

[Boom]

?

Who wants him to look more like Ledger?

 

[Luke234]

I liked his look and his speech. I thought it was creepy and original. After one showing I didn't LOVE the movie but as the day goes by I start to like it more. I really think they shouldn't mess around with Leto . I really think he should be in the first Batman movie, maybe the first two. I'd definitely do a death of Robin and red hood thing. It's not known by the general audience. I usually don't like going back with prequels but if the 2nd was in " present time" I'd dig it.
You can't just shelve the joker IMHO.

 

[Luke234]

Sure there are, but this Joker likes the cheap shock value I guess. His apperence is stricking to me. I can't imagive a single person save for Harley feeling confertable or even moderatly safe in his presence. Maybe it's too on the nose for some of you, but it ultimatly workes as far as I'm concerend.

Well put. Leto is a little guy and he pulled off being scary. Very unsettling character. Thumbs up from me.

 

[The Joker]

Sure there are, but this Joker likes the cheap shock value I guess. His apperence is stricking to me. I can't imagive a single person save for Harley feeling confertable or even moderatly safe in his presence. Maybe it's too on the nose for some of you, but it ultimatly workes as far as I'm concerend.

Joker shouldn't be about cheap shock value (not that I see what is so shocking, cheap or otherwise, about tattoos). Joker doesn't need to resort to gimmicks like that to shock people. He's naturally terrifying. Nobody should feel comfortable in his presence either because he's the Joker, which like his ego, can be shown in much better ways than ugly distracting tattoos.

I really think he should be in the first Batman movie, maybe the first two. I'd definitely do a death of Robin and red hood thing. It's not known by the general audience. I usually don't like going back with prequels but if the 2nd was in " present time" I'd dig it.
You can't just shelve the joker IMHO.

One thing I think they are doing right is seemingly making Joker sit out the first Batman movie. I can't say Deathstroke is a villain I'd choose as a main baddie when other more worthy Bat villains are aching for an on screen debut or return, but I'll gladly take him over this Joker.

 

[Iceman]

Joker shouldn't be about cheap shock value (not that I see what is so shocking, cheap or otherwise, about tattoos). Joker doesn't need to resort to gimmicks like that to shock people. He's naturally terrifying. Nobody should feel comfortable in his presence either because he's the Joker, which like his ego, can be shown in much better ways than ugly distracting tattoos.

It's better when it's shown in more subtle ways, and not that I have anything against the tattoos.

One thing I think they are doing right is seemingly making Joker sit out the first Batman movie. I can't say Deathstroke is a villain I'd choose as a main baddie when other more worthy Bat villains are aching for an on screen debut or return, but I'll gladly take him over this Joker.

I am happy to finally see Deathstroke at any rate, and he might work better as a 2nd villain. Even one that appears in more than one film. I do like that Joker has been introduced into the DCEU outside of a Batman film and also that he won't be the main villain in the first film. It would really make the Bat-world across all film iterations feel small if Joker is the main villain too often without a break and it helped the Nolan trilogy and the Joker's impact within by saving him for a 2nd film having set up the new Bat-universe beforehand.

 

[tanita_mors]

Well, to me, so many tattoo's and the grills are extreme. I'm from Serbia, and the only people who look remotely like that are either rock-stars or criminals (ok, and tattoo artists, but not relevant). I feel this Joker wants to and is channeling both in a way. It's something different to the chaotic menace of Ledger. I found it new and different, something I haven't seen before.

Either way, I'm not gonna tell anyone to like something they don't and there is really no argument that I can give that can even make you consider to giving this version of the Joker a chance if he just doesn't cut it for you. I'm a layman as far as DC is concerned, a casual fan if you were, certainly not as knowledgeable as many of you.

 

[Wildcard]

As someone who is not good with tones of color, can you speak a little more about the changes you desire in skin tone? Did you think it wasn't white enough or did you just want the paint to be more caked on?

I do feel that in some scenes he wasn't pasty enough and he almost just seemed like a natural pale in a few shots instead of flat out chalk-white. I'd say they got it perfect for the chemical vat scene & the ending sequence. In fact, the ending sequence is exactly how I'd like the skin tone to be all the time.

 

[gwynplaine]

I personally liked that they went in another direction than Ledger who is possibly my favorite performance ever, and I didn't mind the tatoos, grill etc. just like I didn't mind the cutsmile and make-up in TDK, just as long as they keep the spirit of the character. I also liked that they were going back to the Joker gangster roots. I just wanted more, especially from such a great character as the Joker and wished he hadn't been shoehorned in that film.
I liked Leto in the purple Lamborghini video too and I still think he could shine with the right material, hopefully in the Batman solo film.

 

[Iceman]

I like the differences and am now just waiting for the right film to really give Leto a test as the character. For one thing it's really great that Harley is finally on film and has been done well and I look forward to some great interactions between them in future films.

 

[Wildcard]

I personally liked that they went in another direction than Ledger who is possibly my favorite performance ever, and I didn't mind the tatoos, grill etc. just like I didn't mind the cutsmile and make-up in TDK, just as long as they keep the spirit of the character. I also liked that they were going back to the Joker gangster roots. I just wanted more, especially from such a great character as the Joker and wished he hadn't been shoehorned in that film.
I liked Leto in the purple Lamborghini video too and I still think he could shine with the right material, hopefully in the Batman solo film.

Had they/Ayer made Leto's Joker the main antagonist, I think the overall movie would've flowed a lot better.

 

[hellblazer103]

Yeah I don't mind the lack of eyebrows either.

I always kinda pictured a live action Joker without eyebrows ala " The Clown At Midnight" and such. Just a very haunting / inhumane look. It'd probably look haunting on Leto, too, if he didn't otherwise look like a ****ing idiot .

 

[culver3vlr22]

Even if I didn't have any, I would still say it's going a little far to basically say those that have them look "idiotic" by definition.

Yes. I think that's very judgemental. I understand if you're not a fan of tattoos but to say it makes someone look like an idiot i don't agree with. But I understand if you're not a fan of tattoos.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Had they/Ayer made Leto's Joker the main antagonist, I think the overall movie would've flowed a lot better.

This

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

And this is the part where I am just going to roll my eyes and shake my head and...slowly disappear to a magical happy place and be like "Aww yeah..." instead of getting involved in an argument that will most likely lead to gobstoppers being shoved down certain people's throats "Choke on this, why don't ya!" ... k I know...I don't mean that is what will happen literally...who knows, it just might.

lols. Me, I don't like to get involved in heated discussions where everyone jumps on one another. It's not why I come here. I come here to discuss the things I enjoy that are of interest... for the most part.

So...this whole Tattoo thing...considering I am interested in getting one myself...yeah...what MydnightPhoenix said.

*tips hat*

 

[Wildcard]

And this is the part where I am just going to roll my eyes and shake my head and...slowly disappear to a magical happy place and be like "Aww yeah..." instead of getting involved in an argument that will most likely lead to gobstoppers being shoved down certain people's throats "Choke on this, why don't ya!" ... k I know...I don't mean that is what will happen literally...who knows, it just might.

lols. Me, I don't like to get involved in heated discussions where everyone jumps on one another. It's not why I come here. I come here to discuss the things I enjoy that are of interest... for the most part.

So...this whole Tattoo thing...considering I am interested in getting one myself...yeah...what MydnightPhoenix said.

*tips hat*

Haha I think that's the best route to take.

I would say the only tattoo I truly hate is the "damaged" one. The rest are ok with me.

If I'm correct Gotham was based on Chicago. And if you look at the "chi-raq" criminals the j face tattoo and the the star make total sense to me.

Yep, pretty much. Once again, if you're going for a more gangster-esque Joker that's modernized, pretty much all of the tattoos make sense as modern thugs do get similar markings.

Hell, even in Detroit those things are common. And with that being said, they certainly could've done far, far worse in choosing the tattoos the Joker has. Believe me. t:

 

[Jekecy]

I would say the only tattoo I truly hate is the "damaged" one. The rest are ok with me.

I'm generally a defender of the tattoos, but I do concede as far as execution it left a lot to be desired. For a 150+ million dollar blockbuster, I was hoping to get some top-notch artwork on full display. It seems like Ayer didn't even try, I read in the Art Book they found their main artist at a local street shop whilst they were filming on-location. Strange method of picking the main designer of such an iconic character.

We got some generic line work copy-pasted from any number of those create-a-player sections in video games. Absolutely none of them were unique, clever, or even just aesthetically beautiful. I suppose it's befitting of their interpretation of the character, but still.

And while we're still on topic, figure I'd post up one of my favorite tattoo designs inspired by DC:

Whether or not you like tattoos, gotta admire the artistry involved in that.