Justice League Status Updates Thread - Part 2

[Naked Shia]

Eh, popcorn movie yes, forgettable? No. Chances are any JL film is going to be handled in a similar way.

Probably true sadly. I want the JLA movie to be legendary, not just fun.

 

[Willi Berg]

For what it's worth there was that quote from Mark Millar, which I hope is true of JL:

A pal of mine is good friends with the new Justice League screenwriter and said his take on the team is incredible. Very real-world and not at all what you might expect. WB has a chequered history with their superhero characters. They're great with their boy wizards, but less consistent with their DC stable. But my chum said that this could be a thing of beauty and has been in the works for a little while now, not just an avengers knock-off. Best of luck to them. The tidbits I heard sound quite dark and mature, which isn't what I expected. But word on Gangster Squad is great too so I feel this is in really good hands.

The screenwriter Will Beall answered some fan questions on Twitter, but of course couldn't give much away:

26 Sep

Sherrick Warren
how's Justice League going? I know you put a lot of work in that

Will Beall ‏
In the studio's hands now. I'm just the writer, remember?

19 Sep

Rob Seven ‏
I'm guessing you're not allowed to answer this rumor, regarding WB making JL separate from solo films? Scuttlebutt?

Will Beall ‏
That's one I'm not allowed to answer.

18 Sep

Christopher Roger
Hi Will, been wanting to ask you, since you are a DC guy. Are you a fan of Bruce Timm's DCAU cartoons from BTAS to JLU too?

Will Beall
Definitely.

10 Sep

Andy Behbakht
Can I ask you when you started writing the screenplay for Justice League?

Will Beall
Finished the first draft.

Andy Behbakht
Oh well what I asked was, when did you start? :P

Will Beall ‏
Oops. Last year.

3 Sep

Martin Garcia ‏
How does it feel to write the Justice League script?? If you cant answer, I understand.

Will Beall
It's probably the most fun I've had writing. It's also an awesome responsibility.

24 Aug

Andy Behbakht ‏
I know that you can't answer any questions about JL but can you at least say that it's still on? the project isn't dead right?

Will Beall
‏On.

https://***********/WillBeall

 

[metaphysician]

Hulk shown in Avengers was Completely different than the Hulk in TIH, and it was played by two different actors, also CGI look was different, so there build up made little sense.

Yeah, but they could get away with this since the Hulk is the Avenger who has the most prior GA exposure, thanks to the 70s TV show. Its equivalent to how WB actually can get away with recasting Batman in the JLA movie.

( Its the idea that they will recast *everybody at once* that makes me roll my eyes )

 

[metaphysician]

X-Men is still a group of superheroes coming together to save the world which is exactly what JL would be, it doesn't matter about the premise you don't need to hear everyones origin story first, and it doesn't matter if Watchmen was a hit or not the point is that the film itself is easily understandable n u don't need to see every heroes origin beforehand.

It may be futile, but I will try to explain:

"Superheroes gathering to save the world" is not a premise, that is a plot. "Humanity is evolving, and mutants appear with superpowers" is a premise. Its what sets up and explains how things got to the beginning of the story. This can work with the X-Men, because they are all mutants. One single explanation covers all the phlebotinum in the story. It does not work with the JLA, because their origins and natures have *nothing to do with each other at all.*

And you've yet to quote any evidence for why origins aren't necessary; Watchmen is evidence for precisely the opposite, given its tepid reviews and performance in theaters. And tepid is being kind: it lost money, it just didn't bomb.

 

[metaphysician]

I'm not millions and millions people, I'm me. I don't care for millions and millions people. I didn't feel the need to see the movie multiple times, and I didn't buy the bluray.

And yes, it is a forgettable movie to me. It was fun.

But yeah, you know, because millions and millions people think it's not, that makes me wrong, because opinions are wrong....

Ah, the stuff people write on the interwebs

And i really hope the JLA movie will have an engaging story and some interesting themes, to make it more than a forgettable movie.

Actually, it does make you wrong, because you both implicitly and explicitly attempt to use your own individual experience, and apply it as a general and objective descriptor for the movie. The fact that you found it forgettable, means nothing other than that you didn't like it. It certainly doesn't provide any counterevidence to the actual-for-real-evidence of "Millions of people went out and saw it, far more than any other movie this year," which is actual evidence of *some* kind of objective quality.

 

[Willi Berg]

Screenwriter Will Beall:

14 Oct

TheGoddamnBatman
What are your thoughts on batman in the dark knight trilogy and did you like the take on the character?

Will Beall
Liked it. Mine's different.

https://***********/WillBeall

 

[BH/HHH]

It may be futile, but I will try to explain:

"Superheroes gathering to save the world" is not a premise, that is a plot. "Humanity is evolving, and mutants appear with superpowers" is a premise. Its what sets up and explains how things got to the beginning of the story. This can work with the X-Men, because they are all mutants. One single explanation covers all the phlebotinum in the story. It does not work with the JLA, because their origins and natures have *nothing to do with each other at all.*

And you've yet to quote any evidence for why origins aren't necessary; Watchmen is evidence for precisely the opposite, given its tepid reviews and performance in theaters. And tepid is being kind: it lost money, it just didn't bomb.

Again Watchmen not making a profit doesn't mean it didn't work as a story. I already gave an example with X-Men. Also I know people who watched the JL cartoon and that showed from the get go u don't need to go into each characters origin. Just take any fm involving multiple characters you don't need to go into the how's and why's of who they are. U can invest in a character just by watching them on screen. You don't need to know the Flash got his powers from a chemical lab accident, etc. Infact u can explain that without having to go into detail. A lot of people watched Avengers without seeing the previous movies and had no trouble buying into it.

 

[Naked Shia]

Actually, it does make you wrong, because you both implicitly and explicitly attempt to use your own individual experience, and apply it as a general and objective descriptor for the movie. The fact that you found it forgettable, means nothing other than that you didn't like it. It certainly doesn't provide any counterevidence to the actual-for-real-evidence of "Millions of people went out and saw it, far more than any other movie this year," which is actual evidence of *some* kind of objective quality.

Did you really read what I wrote? (I'm asking because I'm polite, but it's obvious you didn't).

I don't apply it as general. I said it was forgettable for me. I never said I didn't like it. I had a fun time with it. I thought it was fun. Never did I say it was bad.

Like I said, I couldn't care less about millions of people. I don't need evidence. I know what I think. I know why I think this way. and I have the right to think like that, even if that bothers people like you.

Neved did I say that people who thought it was a masterpiece were wrong. I just said it was a forgettable movie, for me.

the fact that you're trying to prove I'm wrong is laughable. You can't prove I'm wrong, since I'm not making any general rule, nor I'm saying I'm obective. I couldn't care less about so called objectivity about movies. I don't think there is such thing as truth in art. That's my opinion.

And my opinion about The Avengers is that it's a forgettable movie.

but go on, try to prove me that my opinion is wrong. My opinion will probably change because you have so called evidences....

 

[shauner111]

Actually, it does make you wrong, because you both implicitly and explicitly attempt to use your own individual experience, and apply it as a general and objective descriptor for the movie. The fact that you found it forgettable, means nothing other than that you didn't like it. It certainly doesn't provide any counterevidence to the actual-for-real-evidence of "Millions of people went out and saw it, far more than any other movie this year," which is actual evidence of *some* kind of objective quality.

I know you may be talking about it in general terms but for you or those who are hinting at other things..

Millions of people watching a movie or millions of people buying Britney Spears' new album means NOTHING when it comes to quality. It just means marketing was good and the word got around. It's a domino effect. A few like the movie, they tell their friends or they see a trailer and they go see it. Just like somebody hears a hit single on the radio and picks up the CD the next day. Big box office numbers = quality?? Yeaaah..that's the world we live in nowadays...it's sad how the mind works on some people.

So that means Watchmen didnt work as a movie but Avengers did??

It doesnt matter because Avengers was huge in the box office and a huge critical success. But there's still PLENTY of people like myself who thought it was also "forgettable". It was a fun night at the movies the first time i saw it in theaters but that's all. I didnt love it, thought it was just a popcorn flick and easily forgettable.

Watchmen not being a success in its theatrical run doesnt mean anything in terms of quality. It still comes down to the viewer and their opinion. If you find it's quality, then it's quality.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Watchmen was fine. You can easilly get into without reading the comics.

Who would turn their noses up at a movie with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman anyways?

We as the GA should know, by now, who and what they are. We can easily have dialogue or flashbacks that elaborate on the JL's backstory, and individual characters. That's not hard and it would help with the situation. As long as we care to connect.

 

[TheDarKnight720]

Screenwriter Will Beall:



https://***********/WillBeall

lol i was the one who tweeted that to him.

 

[Naked Shia]

I know you may be talking about it in general terms but for you or those who are hinting at other things..

Millions of people watching a movie or millions of people buying Britney Spears' new album means NOTHING when it comes to quality. It just means marketing was good and the word got around. It's a domino effect. A few like the movie, they tell their friends or they see a trailer and they go see it. Just like somebody hears a hit single on the radio and picks up the CD the next day. Big box office numbers = quality?? Yeaaah..that's the world we live in nowadays...it's sad how the mind works on some people.

So that means Watchmen didnt work as a movie but Avengers did??

It doesnt matter because Avengers was huge in the box office and a huge critical success. But there's still PLENTY of people like myself who thought it was also "forgettable". It was a fun night at the movies the first time i saw it in theaters but that's all. I didnt love it, thought it was just a popcorn flick and easily forgettable.

Watchmen not being a success in its theatrical run doesnt mean anything in terms of quality. It still comes down to the viewer and their opinion. If you find it's quality, then it's quality.

Thank You! I was beginning to wonder if numbers were really a sign of quality, and if I was wrong because I have a different opinion than million of people.... t:

 

[Reek]

Did you really read what I wrote? (I'm asking because I'm polite, but it's obvious you didn't).

I don't apply it as general. I said it was forgettable for me. I never said I didn't like it. I had a fun time with it. I thought it was fun. Never did I say it was bad.

Like I said, I couldn't care less about millions of people. I don't need evidence. I know what I think. I know why I think this way. and I have the right to think like that, even if that bothers people like you.

Neved did I say that people who thought it was a masterpiece were wrong. I just said it was a forgettable movie, for me.

the fact that you're trying to prove I'm wrong is laughable. You can't prove I'm wrong, since I'm not making any general rule, nor I'm saying I'm obective. I couldn't care less about so called objectivity about movies. I don't think there is such thing as truth in art. That's my opinion.

And my opinion about The Avengers is that it's a forgettable movie.

but go on, try to prove me that my opinion is wrong. My opinion will probably change because you have so called evidences....

wait, but you are wrong.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Did you really read what I wrote? (I'm asking because I'm polite, but it's obvious you didn't).

I don't apply it as general. I said it was forgettable for me. I never said I didn't like it. I had a fun time with it. I thought it was fun. Never did I say it was bad.

Like I said, I couldn't care less about millions of people. I don't need evidence. I know what I think. I know why I think this way. and I have the right to think like that, even if that bothers people like you.

Neved did I say that people who thought it was a masterpiece were wrong. I just said it was a forgettable movie, for me.

the fact that you're trying to prove I'm wrong is laughable. You can't prove I'm wrong, since I'm not making any general rule, nor I'm saying I'm obective. I couldn't care less about so called objectivity about movies. I don't think there is such thing as truth in art. That's my opinion.

And my opinion about The Avengers is that it's a forgettable movie.

but go on, try to prove me that my opinion is wrong. My opinion will probably change because you have so called evidences....

Um, well you're still talking about it so you obviously don't find it that forgetable!

 

[Naked Shia]

Um, well you're still talking about it so you obviously don't find it that forgetable!

It's funny how some people are trying to prove their opinion is the only acceptable one.

I know some of you think The avengers is the best movie of all the masterpieces, and that doesn't bother me. you just have to understand it's just an opinion.

but to answer you, the only thing I really remember about TA is that I didn't remember a lot about it after a few hours.

 

[Gianakin_]

Um, well you're still talking about it so you obviously don't find it that forgetable!

Eh, yeah, he's talking about it because someone else brought it up and he stated his opinion in a "by the way" fashion. Clearly the sign of a cure for cinematic cancer of a movie.

 

[dragonfarter]

Are you looking for a way to make the Justice League movie work? You cannot have a proper story with character development so that we actually care about them and what happens - rather than something that feels like a Michael Bay movie, with no substance, or X-Men United, which wasted character opporunities at every turn - with that many beloved characters in it. Not without spending time on them. The new Batman who will fit into the League must be developed and understood, as must Superman, at the very least.

The solution is to begin with a World's Finest movie. Batman and Superman. Show how different they are, yet how they come together despite their disagreements to do something great, worldwide. They can be shown to exist in the same universe, and ease the burden if developing them and their relationship in the Justice League movie. Superman can be eased into the same world as Batman by possibly just seeing Superman in action on the television. Let us hear some inner narration, much like the books by Michael Turner. This is what shows us the heart of the hero, while helping with editing/run time.

You guys understand already that the movies that best succeed are the ones which take time to do things right, rather than rushed. Please try to take this into consideration. Someone over there is making decisions that aren't sitting well with the fans. Don't let this huge movie end up showing the world that Marvel is the new, definitive leader in your field. Don't waste this opportunity. Better the wait for a huge success than something that is too soon and costs so much damage to the future of the company and the futures of those involved. Don't become a throwaway like Joel Schumacher's Batman films. Do right by us and DC's heroes. Heck, try a few team ups before Justice League. That will be different than your competitor, will milk the money, and will give us the movie that we deserve to see - one that can get right in and spend its running time getting to business effectively.

Pass these ideas around, see if anyone over there at DC bites. I want nothing in return but a bad-ass Justice League movie that was worth the decade-long wait.

 

[Willi Berg]

Pass these ideas around, see if anyone over there at DC bites. I want nothing in return but a bad-ass Justice League movie that was worth the decade-long wait.

 

[Spider‐Man]

Eh, yeah, he's talking about it because someone else brought it up and he stated his opinion in a "by the way" fashion. Clearly the sign of a cure for cinematic cancer of a movie.

I was being kind of tongue-in-cheek about it but I guess that kinda slipped past you.

 

[Caped Crusader]

14 Oct

TheGoddamnBatman
What are your thoughts on batman in the dark knight trilogy and did you like the take on the character?

Will Beall
Liked it. Mine's different.

Would love to know how different.

 

[Mogwai]

I can't wait to see the JLA tearing up NYC (or Metropolis) like The Avengers did.

 

[Changeling]

I want to see Justice League filmed all over the world to show that whatever threat their facing is global

 

[BH/HHH]

Why's there a thread in DC Comis film for this when it as its own section?

 

[roach]

http://www.slashfilm.com/justice-le...ettled-other-dc-movies-to-follow/#more-143830

 

[ClarkLuther55]

^Alright, so the latest news is that the WB is putting JLA on the fast track now that they really, truly, legally own Superman and all his well-known trappings. The script is still a work in progress, and no producer, director, or actor has been attached yet. They're aiming to film next year, and want to release the movie in 2015 (the same year as Avengers 2).

Coming out in the same summer as Avengers 2 will lead to lots of juicy "news," and possibly some unfortunate comparisons. But if the JLA movie is done well, it shouldn't be an issue. After all, TDKR came out this year along with Avengers, and TDK came out in the same year as Iron Man. It really wouldn't be a true head-to-head matchup, since the two movies wll most likely be separated by about 2 months. And while fanboys might argue over box office comparisons, the opportunity is there for both movies to succeed. Just like it was there for the last two major DC/Marvel matchups.

The WB's direction concerns me though, since it looks like they haven't changed a thing from their past strategy (other than trying and failing to snag Nolan as the producer). They're still trying to rush out a JLA movie, before the script is even finished, in order to cash in on Marvel's success with The Avengers. They still plan on doing things backwards, spinning out the solo movies after the big team up. This movie will have Superman and Batman (albeit a brand new, rebooted version), but I don't know if it will have the big hype and momentum that The Avengers had over the past year.

Here's hoping the current screenwriter knows what the hell he's doing, and that they avoid the laughable casting from the last time. That is, if they actually get that far this time. DC/WB has had so many false starts that I practically expect this to be delayed or cancelled.