Justice League Status Updates Thread

[HighFivingMF]

If anyone does I'd enjoy having it also.

 

[MadVillainy]

or at least a detailed description Wally West is my 2nd favorite hero and i really want to read the ideas

 

[protocida]

I believe it never leaked, but here's what I remember hearing about it.

Basically, the Script begins in the aftermath of Barry Allen, the Flash, sacrificing himself to save Central City and Keystone City from his archenemy, Zoom, who also dies in battle. Barry's nephew, Wally West, received superpowers in the same accident that his uncle, but decided not to adopt a superheroic identity until he had a better grasp of his powers. However, with crime running rampant in the Gem Cities after The Flash's death, Wally finds himself forced to take his uncle's mantle and become the Flash.

Wally's best friend is Hunter Zolomon, a profiler at the Central City Police Department, where Wally works as a mechanic. Zolomon attempts to figure out who is the new Flash, and becomes involved in an accident with Barry Allen's cosmic treadmill that powers him with the cronal energies of the timestream, but also drives him mad.

Believing that he can help Wally become a better hero by becoming his nemesis and teaching him how to grow through pain, Zolomon becomes the new Zoom and enlists the help of Barry's retired former enemy Captain Cold, now a soldier of fortune, to help him target Wally's loved ones, especially his girlfriend, Linda Park. Wally needs to learn the secrets of the mysterious Speed Force in order to protect his family and his city from the combined threat of Zoom and Captain Cold.

If memory serves me right, time travel plays a major role in the ending, resulting in Barry and Wally teaming up against Zolomon and the original Zoom, Eoboard Thawne.

 

[batman strikes]

^ That review doesn't really do it justice.

Did you have a chance to read the script? If you did, do you think it would of been on par with The Avengers or a disapointment?

 

[MadVillainy]

I believe it never leaked, but here's what I remember hearing about it.

Basically, the Script begins in the aftermath of Barry Allen, the Flash, sacrificing himself to save Central City and Keystone City from his archenemy, Zoom, who also dies in battle. Barry's nephew, Wally West, received superpowers in the same accident that his uncle, but decided not to adopt a superheroic identity until he had a better grasp of his powers. However, with crime running rampant in the Gem Cities after The Flash's death, Wally finds himself forced to take his uncle's mantle and become the Flash.

Wally's best friend is Hunter Zolomon, a profiler at the Central City Police Department, where Wally works as a mechanic. Zolomon attempts to figure out who is the new Flash, and becomes involved in an accident with Barry Allen's cosmic treadmill that powers him with the cronal energies of the timestream, but also drives him mad.

Believing that he can help Wally become a better hero by becoming his nemesis and teaching him how to grow through pain, Zolomon becomes the new Zoom and enlists the help of Barry's retired former enemy Captain Cold, now a soldier of fortune, to help him target Wally's loved ones, especially his girlfriend, Linda Park. Wally needs to learn the secrets of the mysterious Speed Force in order to protect his family and his city from the combined threat of Zoom and Captain Cold.

If memory serves me right, time travel plays a major role in the ending, resulting in Barry and Wally teaming up against Zolomon and the original Zoom, Eoboard Thawne.

see this sounds like such a better orign story to me than what we'll get with a Barry movie

Oh well

 

[protocida]

Did you have a chance to read the script? If you did, do you think it would of been on par with The Avengers or a disapointment?

I've read a very detailed synopsis, and it was great, in my opinion. I don't think it'd be on par with The Avengers because of the complex mythology that they've created and the balance they found between all characters, but I do believe it'd be up there with X2 and X-Men: First Class.

 

[batman strikes]

I've read a very detailed synopsis, and it was great, in my opinion. I don't think it'd be on par with The Avengers because of the complex mythology that they've created and the balance they found between all characters, but I do believe it'd be up there with X2 and X-Men: First Class.

I would be extremely happy if a Justice League movie could be as good as X-Men: First Class and X2.

 

[Artistsean]

Spoiler

I think DC should make a JLA full length CG animated movie. Not a straight to video, but a theater movie. They could style it how they want, on a scale of realistic to super cartoony. And cast whoever they want as the characters. They don't even have to look the part, or be the right age. You could cast Belluci to voice Wonder Woman, some people say she is too old for the part. You could cast an actor who is too young to voice Flash. etc. They could even use motion capture like Tin Tin. Tin Tin, Incredibles, are great examples of what the movie should be like.
And that could help launch spin offs too, show the desire for a Wonder Woman movie or tv show when the Wonder Woman merchandise keeps getting sold out. Or the Flash could get his own movie finally. (Live action for both I would imagine.)

They could also make the story as grand scale as they want. Maybe Mongol attacks Earth, using Starro he enslaves large numbers of the population, and the JLA must save the day.
You could be as elaborate as you want with the powers. Martian Manhunter could alter his shape in three different ways in 5 seconds while blasting lasers from his eyes and flying only to be stopped cold in a second by fire.

In cartoons people are more forgiving, more accepting of things looking silly. So their brightly colored costumes wouldn't look strange. Flash, Superman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Batman could standing next to the president and guys in shirts and pants and not look silly.

Not much worry about face time I think, so you don't have to worry about Flash, GL, or Batman having to take off their masks to show the actors real faces.

And it would set it apart from the Avengers live action movie. People will be less likely to say DC was copying Marvel's Avengers with their JLA film if the movie is animated.

Holy s**t, that's uncanny. I posted something similar a week or so ago in the Superman Open Discussion thread that kinda got buried there, but we were basically on the same page:



The odds are about 1 to infinity against that anybody in a position to actual make this sort of movie happen will have or has had a similar thought, but here's hoping t:

Nice to hear that we two feel this way. Maybe its possible that studios have had this thought too. I hope so, the idea that someone involved with making this movie might think to distance our JLA film from Avengers maybe we should make it animated with CG might be pretty good. I would be totally behind this idea. Avengers works better live action because they are more down to earth characters. JLA has characters with such grand powers that doing it in CG would be better I think.
And although I would want the CG to be done differently, perhaps a little more stylised and cartoony like the Incredibles, this is an example how grand scale it could be:
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Here are some scenes from the Incredibles to show how the animation could look.
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Here is a preview from the Green Lantern animated series:
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And here is the CGI Batgirl:
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And here is the CG Spiderman/Hulk/Iron Man thing
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And finally here is Hulk versus Superman
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Tin Tin trailer
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This site shows a guy's character designs, just showing that the designs of the characters in the JLA movie could be very stylized or detailed.

http://danielmaraya.blogspot.com/2010/09/justice-league-cg-movie-concepts.html

I think making the JLA movie CGI, using motion capture suits,
would be the best way to go and would get this movie off the ground so fast our heads would spin.

 

[Lencho01]

Did you have a chance to read the script? If you did, do you think it would of been on par with The Avengers or a disapointment?

If you go to the start of this thread, you can read a summary of the film.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Nice to hear that we two feel this way. Maybe its possible that studios have had this thought too. I hope so, the idea that someone involved with making this movie might think to distance our JLA film from Avengers maybe we should make it animated with CG might be pretty good. I would be totally behind this idea. Avengers works better live action because they are more down to earth characters. JLA has characters with such grand powers that doing it in CG would be better I think.
And although I would want the CG to be done differently, perhaps a little more stylised and cartoony like the Incredibles, this is an example how grand scale it could be:
[YT]H7Nf-m6WGl4[/YT]
Here are some scenes from the Incredibles to show how the animation could look.
[YT]VIPutWIVVuc[/YT]
Here is a preview from the Green Lantern animated series:
[YT]44W2s7W1P8U[/YT]
And here is the CGI Batgirl:
[YT]lTw2xfPFWes[/YT]
And here is the CG Spiderman/Hulk/Iron Man thing
[YT]uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=related[/YT]
And finally here is Hulk versus Superman
[YT]BbizTBYs-rQ[/YT]
This site shows a guy's character designs, just showing that the designs of the characters in the JLA movie could be very stylized or detailed.

http://danielmaraya.blogspot.com/2010/09/justice-league-cg-movie-concepts.html

I think making the JLA movie CGI, using motion capture suits,
would be the best way to go and would get this movie off the ground so fast our heads would spin.

awesome. all of it.

 

[Rockstar]

And a few posts down.

Unless that user posts a detailed breakdown (like the one of the earlier script)... I find it hard to believe.

The Mulrooney script would have needed drastic DRASTIC revisions to be remotely good. Core elements of their approach were really bad.


Miller would have had to pretty much rewrite the whole thing.

^ That review doesn't really do it justice.

Based on what?

 

[Rockstar]

Benjamin Walker (6'3) for Justice League Superman.

He's the right age and getting some good Hollywood buzz.

Check out the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZp7eBStN1U

 

[protocida]

Based on the fact that I've read a much more detailed and unbiased synopsis.

As for Benjamin Walker, I don't particularly see it, but it might be good.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

ben walker was supposed to have been beast in first class but turned it down to play andrew jackson on broadway in bloody bloody andrew jackson. I'm not sure he'd be all that interested in playing superman.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

"Final Crisis" doesn't really translate into a movie. "Rock of Eternity", maybe.

If you mean "Rock of Ages" that was essentially a prequel to Final Crisis, but omitted all the best bits.

Johns' post-New 52 Justice League would be a great movie.

While I thought Justice League was clearly designed for other media adaptation, it just wasn't great- Darkseid doesn't work for an origin, especially not one that short and decompressed at the same time.

Nice to hear that we two feel this way. Maybe its possible that studios have had this thought too. I hope so, the idea that someone involved with making this movie might think to distance our JLA film from Avengers maybe we should make it animated with CG might be pretty good. I would be totally behind this idea. Avengers works better live action because they are more down to earth characters. JLA has characters with such grand powers that doing it in CG would be better I think.
And although I would want the CG to be done differently, perhaps a little more stylised and cartoony like the Incredibles, this is an example how grand scale it could be:
[YT]H7Nf-m6WGl4[/YT]
Here are some scenes from the Incredibles to show how the animation could look.
[YT]VIPutWIVVuc[/YT]
Here is a preview from the Green Lantern animated series:
[YT]44W2s7W1P8U[/YT]
And here is the CGI Batgirl:
[YT]lTw2xfPFWes[/YT]
And here is the CG Spiderman/Hulk/Iron Man thing
[YT]uM9qA_OnXXY&feature=related[/YT]
And finally here is Hulk versus Superman
[YT]BbizTBYs-rQ[/YT]
Tin Tin trailer
[YT]9ua_4ajpP58[/YT]
This site shows a guy's character designs, just showing that the designs of the characters in the JLA movie could be very stylized or detailed.

http://danielmaraya.blogspot.com/2010/09/justice-league-cg-movie-concepts.html

I think making the JLA movie CGI, using motion capture suits,
would be the best way to go and would get this movie off the ground so fast our heads would spin.

Maybe it's shortsighted of me, but if they are going to do an entirely CGI Justice League film, I just won't be able to accept it unless it is on par with the likes of Avatar and the Coachella hologram. I also don't think the general audience would see what is essentially a cartoon superhero film, they'd look like it would appeal to kids, but have a tone for older audiences. I think as lifelike as possible is the way to go.

 

[Cain]

Yep I'd be game for an all CGI JL but it's because I'm open to all forms of media. Unfortunately there is a stigma that if it's animated in any way whether stylized or not it's not "a real movie" and just a "cartoon" when it comes to general audiences.

This is why motion capture features even with a more adult or adventurous feel (Beowulf, Tin Tin) didn't catch on with audiences like that at all and these movies had master filmmakers at the helm. It's just very difficult to sell and in the end would probably end up being a huge waste of money on WB's part. They have no choice but to go live action with JL or not make JL at all. Especially in light of The Avengers.

 

[The Guard]

They weren't going to make a JLA movie that had Batman a foot taller than Superman. It's called camera tricks. They were used in X-MEN, DAREDEVIL, and every other film in between. They weren't going to cast DJ Cotrona and portray him as a small, short Superman. They were going to portray him as a young Superman. They were all portrayed as young, except for J'onnz, John Stewart and Aquaman, who were the hardened veterans of the bunch.

Green Lantern shows us how bad JL:M would have been. It was the same approach. A studio script that everyone had their hands in.

No. it wasn't. It was a very solid script. Much better than GREEN LANTERN.

We don't know if the cast was a mess. We'd never seen most of them act much, or the screentests, etc

Armie Hammer could have (and may still) play a very convincing Bruce Wayne/Batman. Out of all the complaints about the JL cast, this is the one I don't understand. He was young, but even back then, he had a lot of poise and range, carried himself in a mature way, and seemed much older than he was.

Bale won the GA over. He's become the public image of Batman and Bruce Wayne to general audiences.

So was Keaton, once upon a time.

And Jack Nicholson was The Joker.

Ian McKellan used to be the definitive Magneto to most (still is, to many, but you get my point)

Things change.

If someone was going to play the character that Bale was associated with, he should have been 10 times more awesome and badass than CB ever was. Armie Hammer isn't that person. He doesn't even come close.

It's pretty difficult to be more badass than elbowing people, playing the same stoic character for three films, and doing a Batman voice that even many non-actors can easily imitate. I think THE LONE RANGER will make this decision easier to make. Hammer hasn't had the career Bale has, but don't count him out yet. I'd put a young Hammer up against a younger Bale any day of the week.

I know about the Mad Max trilogy, but Miller had nothing recent under his belt that proves he could handle a project like this.

NO ONE had a project under their belt that proved they could handle a project like JL: MORTAL. No one. Not Singer. Not The Wachowskis. Not Spielberg. No one.

[quote\Parts and reviews of the script were posted in the old JL forum back then.[/quote]

There was also a far more exhaustive, detailed script review posted here.

It was pretty much DC's version of Fantastic Four... well until we got Green Lantern.

No it wasn't. It wasn't like any comic book movie we'd seen tonally.

It was uber comic-booky.

No it wasn't. It drew from the comics, but it was mostly very science fiction.
Not "comic booky". Not cheesy. It was darker than most of what we've seen from superhero films, other than maybe X-Men. It would have been every bit as on par with THE AVENGERS. That script review linked here is bare bones. Those things happen, but they're executed well.

Maybe it's shortsighted of me, but if they are going to do an entirely CGI Justice League film, I just won't be able to accept it unless it is on par with the likes of Avatar and the Coachella hologram. I also don't think the general audience would see what is essentially a cartoon superhero film, they'd look like it would appeal to kids, but have a tone for older audiences. I think as lifelike as possible is the way to go.

The CGI version of JL: Mortal was considered when budget became an issue. The plan was to consider photorealistic CGI.

 

[roach]

Benjamin Walker (6'3) for Justice League Superman.

He's the right age and getting some good Hollywood buzz.

Check out the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZp7eBStN1U

in that second pic his face has that Fleischer Superman quality to it

 

[mclay18]

It's amazing how well WB and DC handles their DC animated product (especially Young Justice and most of the PG-13 DTV films), but can't get it together for the live-action films. They're totally different mediums to be sure, but if WB is having trouble getting good talent in to write and direct these things -- why not bring in some of the animation personnel to shape things up?

I'm mostly referring to writers who can do justice to the material without neutering or watering down the characters. I'm not sure how good animation directors are when it comes to live-action films... considering how badly Jonah Hex did.

 

[protocida]

The problem with "Final Crisis" is that it's very complicated, relies on several previous events and background knowledge of the main characters, Darkseid himself is barely in it, the centerpiece of the story is that The Big Seven are taken out of action, and Vampire Gods out of the nowhere.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Obviously not a direct adaptation, that would be terrible. But the broad strokes, and plot elements would lend itself to in my opinion a fine movie.

The story isn't about Darkseid, he's just the most focal villain. The story is what happens when evil wins? The answer: the life defeats you.

 

[protocida]

It's got to be the final movie, though.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Oh yeah, in fact, I think a two part movie would be great, begins with the Justice League being on top of what they need to be. Then show Darkseid's infiltration of Earth, the Dark Side Club and ultimately Dan Turpin. And of course show the capture of Batman, the defeat of Superman, corruption of Wonder Woman and so forth, at which point the first part would end.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

ala the watchmen would be pretty cool.

 

[MadVillainy]

The CG movie idea has some good pros


But idk I just like the idea of a live action spectacle over a CG one, but that's just me. And if they do CGI it make it like the DC Universe opening less like GL The Animated Series or The Incredibles in terms of animation

Not much worry about face time I think, so you don't have to worry about Flash, GL, or Batman having to take off their masks to show the actors real faces.

I think they should show the heroes in their civilian role as much as they can as long as it applies to the story. Whether that's taking off their masks or playing the role of an ambassador. I think having them in "hero mode" all the time is a bad idea.
One of the ideas that I like in DC comic heroes over Marvel, especially when it comes to JL vs the MCU Avenger's is secret identities. And I would want to see secret identities explored in a JL movie and how much can you actually trust someone when they wont even show you their true face[/QUOTE]

And it would set it apart from the Avengers live action movie. People will be less likely to say DC was copying Marvel's Avengers with their JLA film if the movie is animated.

I dont think they should really worry about setting it apart from the Avengers