Logan Logan - news & discussion - Part 4

[darkangel]

About 10 minutes.

Thank you dear Sir.

 

[Marvolo]

This is cool:

The Wolverine foreshadowed the ending to Logan

In THE WOLVERINE, also directed by James Mangold, Yukio (Rila Fukushima) has the ability to see how anyone will die, including Logan (Hugh Jackman). She tells him that she's foreseen his death, saying "I saw you die… it’s not like I get a complete picture. More like looking through a keyhole. But I’m always right. All I can see is one part of a person’s life: their death. And I saw yours…I see you on your back, there’s blood everywhere. You’re holding your own heart in your hand." Later in the film that prophesy was seemingly fulfilled when Logan was forced to perform surgery on himself in order to remove a parasite from his heart. He briefly died before his accelerated healing ability was able to bring him back to life.

Flash forward to the end of LOGAN, and that prophesy seems to take on a new more figurative meaning. After battling X-24, Logan is on his back, covered in blood and holding the hand of Laura (Dafne Keen), his "heart." One Twitter user put the pieces together and asked James Mangold for confirmation of whether this was his intent all along.

@mang0ld you had this set up the whole time?!?!?!?!?!?!?

@_moegonzales3_ Well done, Maurice

https://mobile.***********/_moegonzales3_/status/839874304183435265

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/how-the-wolverine-foreshadowed-the-ending-to-logan-942


*mindblown*

 

[kguillou]

On the topic of Logan's R Rated violence, I too thought it was a "tame" level of r rated violence. Its violent but its not THAT bad. There are a lot of shots where Logan is clawing people that arent very graphic at all. Like, a lot of shots are quick slashes and sometimes he slashes people offscreen. But you know what, I think its effective. The movie doesnt need to be gratuitously ultra violent like a Nicholas Wynding Refn film. It doesnt overdo it so that when we do get those shots of him slicing someone's arm off we're like "ooooooooh snap!"

 

[Snikt]

Yes. I've seen much worse. One of the women I work said she heard it should've been rated worse than R.

I told her no lol. R is perfectly appropriate.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

A child throwing a human head and viciously slicing and stabbing people, Logan viciously decapitating and cutting limbs off, X-24 cutting through people like a hot knife through butter, a child getting his gut clawed up, a mother with her throat slashed out, Logan getting repeatedly slashed and wounded and having a tree branch pushed through his gut, X-24 getting impaled on a farm machine and having part of his head blown off twice, the evil scientist getting his head blown apart, Logan slowly going through the hotel room stabbing guys in the throat and head...

...yeah totally tame.

There is nothing tame about this movie. Not even by R standards.

 

[Kane52630]

Seeing a child being [BLACKOUT]f***in harpooned on purpose[/BLACKOUT]... yeah that's no soft R.

 

[danoyse]

Seeing a child being [BLACKOUT]f***in harpooned on purpose[/BLACKOUT]... yeah that's no soft R.

That was the point when the violence shocked me. With the carjacker fight at the beginning, it was like, yes....finally they’re letting him loose.

But even with an R-rating, you rarely see that kind of violence done to a child. That was crazy.

None of it bothered me though. I didn’t think it was gratuitous, it really was part of the story. Anyone who’s read anything about Weapon X knows how cruel and vicious it was. Logan and Laura certainly didn’t take any pleasure in it.

Apocalypse is on HBO right now, and the Wolverine cameo is so tame by comparison.

 

[Ivan Drago]

Doesn't help that his cameo in Apocalypse feels rushed, like they didn't have time to properly plan the fight chorography. That whole weapon x scene featured some pretty poor wirework.

It's a far cry from the Mansion raid scene in X2.

 

[kguillou]

Man. I swear, I feel like I was the only one on the planet who was geeking the f*** out during the Apocalypse Weapon X sequence. That whole sequence was so euphoric for me, it was like "finally...FINALLY! THEY GOT IT RIGHT!!" I had a big dumb grin on my face during the whole thing. I really am surprised no one else liked it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Man. I swear, I feel like I was the only one on the planet who was geeking the f*** out during the Apocalypse Weapon X sequence. That whole sequence was so euphoric for me, it was like "finally...FINALLY! THEY GOT IT RIGHT!!" I had a big dumb grin on my face during the whole thing. I really am surprised no one else liked it.

you weren't only one.

 

[danoyse]

Man. I swear, I feel like I was the only one on the planet who was geeking the f*** out during the Apocalypse Weapon X sequence. That whole sequence was so euphoric for me, it was like "finally...FINALLY! THEY GOT IT RIGHT!!" I had a big dumb grin on my face during the whole thing. I really am surprised no one else liked it.

Oh, I liked it. In fact, the only reason I had Apocalypse on was because I wanted to see that scene again, I hadn’t seen the movie since last summer. There’s definitely some clear wirework, and it’s not nearly as bloody as the comic was, but it was cool to see him in the helmet (finally) and watch that whole rampage.

 

[The Chris]

Man. I swear, I feel like I was the only one on the planet who was geeking the f*** out during the Apocalypse Weapon X sequence. That whole sequence was so euphoric for me, it was like "finally...FINALLY! THEY GOT IT RIGHT!!" I had a big dumb grin on my face during the whole thing. I really am surprised no one else liked it.

Oh i was freaking out too. For the same reasons. Plus i just think Hugh does the berserker rage so well so even with little blood it was really cool. But still, holy hell that hard R Logan violence!

 

[samsnee]

It's weird to watch Logan go berserker in this movie and then see X-2 and at the time remembering thinking "Wow he's so much more animalistic than X-1". I mean, he was still basically just giving love taps in that movie.

 

[Bruce Malone]

His berserker mode in X-2 was arguably the high point of his on-screen viciousness until I guess the Wolverine?

He seemed toned down in X-3 and certainly Origins.

 

[JP]

Seeing a child being [BLACKOUT]f***in harpooned on purpose[/BLACKOUT]... yeah that's no soft R.

And it was glorious.

 

[Sithborg]

His berserker mode in X-2 was arguably the high point of his on-screen viciousness until I guess the Wolverine?

He seemed toned down in X-3 and certainly Origins.

And even in X2, they had to trim some to hit PG-13.

 

[iacobusleo]

Anyone seen this? Apparently Jean was supposed to get a significant mention during the dinner scene at the farmhouse. It's in a deleted scene now.

From Mangold:


“I sketched out different conversations for that dinner scene and one of them went to a much darker place. Mrs Munson asks Logan if he’s married, and Charles says he was – but he killed her. Of course, he wasn’t really married, but what that then spawns is Charles waxing poetic about Jean Grey, and it’s a really cool moment. Both Hugh and Patrick were amazing. The problem was, it created an incredibly powerful lead brick in the middle of the only moment in the movie where there was a breather. Even I, with my taste for the dark, felt that it was one too many. Things go pretty ****** within seconds after that. I think [the deleted scene] will make it to the Blu-ray.”

http://screenrant.com/logan-deleted-scene-jean-grey/

 

[marvelrobbins]

Anyone seen this? Apparently Jean was supposed to get a significant mention during the dinner scene at the farmhouse. It's in a deleted scene now.

From Mangold:


“I sketched out different conversations for that dinner scene and one of them went to a much darker place. Mrs Munson asks Logan if he’s married, and Charles says he was – but he killed her. Of course, he wasn’t really married, but what that then spawns is Charles waxing poetic about Jean Grey, and it’s a really cool moment. Both Hugh and Patrick were amazing. The problem was, it created an incredibly powerful lead brick in the middle of the only moment in the movie where there was a breather. Even I, with my taste for the dark, felt that it was one too many. Things go pretty ****** within seconds after that. I think [the deleted scene] will make it to the Blu-ray.”

http://screenrant.com/logan-deleted-scene-jean-grey/

if that was included there would be only one to view logan as total stand
alone film.

 

[Weather Witch]

if that was included there would be only one to view logan as total stand
alone film.

Charles knows about Jean's death because of DOFP though and Logan should still remember the events of the original timeline.

 

[GuestStar2004]

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[Another_Fool]

Anyone seen this? Apparently Jean was supposed to get a significant mention during the dinner scene at the farmhouse. It's in a deleted scene now.

From Mangold:


“I sketched out different conversations for that dinner scene and one of them went to a much darker place. Mrs Munson asks Logan if he’s married, and Charles says he was – but he killed her. Of course, he wasn’t really married, but what that then spawns is Charles waxing poetic about Jean Grey, and it’s a really cool moment. Both Hugh and Patrick were amazing. The problem was, it created an incredibly powerful lead brick in the middle of the only moment in the movie where there was a breather. Even I, with my taste for the dark, felt that it was one too many. Things go pretty ****** within seconds after that. I think [the deleted scene] will make it to the Blu-ray.”

http://screenrant.com/logan-deleted-scene-jean-grey/

Glad they cut this out. Not only would it have been a killjoy moment as Mangold said, but I'm so tired of the emphasis on Jean. I would've preferred it if they implied his "wife" was Mariko, given she was the one that helped Logan finally let go of Jean.

 

[Weather Witch]

Glad they cut this out. Not only would it have been a killjoy moment as Mangold said, but I'm so tired of the emphasis on Jean. I would've preferred it if they implied his "wife" was Mariko, given she was the one that helped Logan finally let go of Jean.

That would've actually been really cool. The Wolverine cast really didn't get the best treatment in the franchise. What with them being retconned out of the continuity less than a year later. t:

 

[Another_Fool]

The Wolverine cast really didn't get the best treatment in the franchise. What with them being retconned out of the continuity less than a year later. t:

Agreed. Although I guess one could argue that the events of The Wolverine might've still happened. Logan (or rather James Howlett) did meet Yashida before the timeline branched off in DOFP. I'd like to believe then that he still meets Yukio and Mariko albeit without the emotional baggage.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Collider's ranking of X-Men films including logan
http://collider.com/best-x-men-movies-ranked-worst-to-best/#x-men-apocalypse

I don't agree with their ranking but thought some might be intrested.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Logan has all the memories of The Wolverine, so when he woke up in 2023 he could have decided to go back to Japan and try to rekindle/restart his relationship with Mariko and his friendship with Yukio.