Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[db85usa]

I'd say not to quit your day job, but that won't be an issue if it doesn't break 750M now will it?

My day job consists of vegging out on a 120 inch 4K tv so no, I definitely won't quit doing that.

 

[redp]

You liking it doesn't make it a better movie. I think TASM 2 has the potential to be better than any Spider-Man movie with what they're doing with it. Looks promising. I'll wait for a trailer to see though.

You seem to be under the delusion that RT ratings are solid, incontrovertibly defining numbers, but they aren't. I might have liked it more and many others might have also, so a 73% doesn't really make a difference. What really does matter is how the audience responds to the film and more importantly how YOU, as an individual, respond to the film.

If it makes a difference I am sure you can find a film that won the Oscar for Best Picture and also had a 70% +/- 5% rating.

BTW, it does look promising. )

 

[db85usa]

It's scary how similar the predictions for Man of Steel and Superman Returns are.

I remember everybody saying, it's Superman it should be a lock for such and such amount. I thought the movie looked and sounded like a boring mess and still thought it would do 275mil. You'll understand why I am hesitant, to say the least, to get caught up in the box office hype again.

The truth is, no offense to the fans of Returns, I was relieved when it disappointed at the box office because I knew that if it succeeded we were in for a 15-20 year wait for a reboot. I have no idea if I will like this movie (okay, I doubt I won't) but at least Warners tried this time. Hate or love SR but it was a lazy, too safe move(not a popular opinion at the time) to tie the film to Donner's films. No matter what happens at least Warners finally gave Supes the same courtesy they gave Batman in 2005.

You will love Man of Steel. It's everything a Superman fan could have ever wanted. The movie that should have happened a long, long time ago. It will usher in a World's Finest movie (you'll see why when you see MoS.) No spoilers here.

 

[JOE]

You seem to be under the delusion that RT ratings are solid, incontrovertibly defining numbers, but they aren't. I might have liked it more and many others might have also, so a 73% doesn't really make a difference. What really does matter is how the audience responds to the film.

If it makes a difference I am sure you can find a film that won the Oscar for Best Picture and also had a 70% +/- 5% rating.

Rotten Tomatoes are consistent as far as CBM go. TDK is at the top and rightfully so. SM2 and Iron Man right behind it, rightfully so. If any of those movies were 19% away (which allegedly doesn't make a difference) then it wouldn't be as credible as I consider it to be.

Don't get me wrong, there's movies that have higher ratings than they should. Avengers being one of them, The Dark Knight Rises being another... But the monstrous hype for those films have something to do with it, which is fine.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think a sequel will come before a WF movie.

 

[JOE]

My day job consists of vegging out on a 120 inch 4K tv so no, I definitely won't quit doing that.

"I literally expect over $800 Million WW anything less than that, I'd consider a huge disappointment. Since I'm a huge Superman fan, I might just hang myself if it doesn't reach that amount but I'll think twice if the buck stops at say... $750 Million WW."

Reading this again makes me think you should take a vacation from your day job.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

I think a sequel will come before a WF movie.

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[db85usa]

Rotten Tomatoes are consistent as far as CBM go. TDK is at the top and rightfully so. SM2 and Iron Man right behind it, rightfully so. If any of those movies were 19% away (which allegedly doesn't make a difference) then it wouldn't be as credible as I consider it to be.

Don't get me wrong, there's movies that have higher ratings than they should. Avengers being one of them, The Dark Knight Rises being another... But the monstrous hype for those films have something to do with it, which is fine.

No, as far as CBM go TA should be at the top with RT. TDK is just a better film overall. In my view, TDK isn't really a straight CBM. Yeah it has Batman, carries the name and symbol, characters, etc but in the end the whole trilogy is a crime drama. SM2 was overrated IMO, you watch it now compared to ASM, ASM is a far superior film. Iron Man 1 is deserving of its rating.

As a critic myself, I don't look into RT too much when watching a film and I've enjoyed a ton of movies that have lower ratings. Take Batman Begins for example. That is my favorite Batman film and has a 85% RT which IMO should be higher. That compared to a 92% or 95% RT rating? It's not a big difference.

 

[db85usa]

"I literally expect over $800 Million WW anything less than that, I'd consider a huge disappointment. Since I'm a huge Superman fan, I might just hang myself if it doesn't reach that amount but I'll think twice if the buck stops at say... $750 Million WW."

Reading this again makes me think you should take a vacation from your day job.

You would have quit without notice, my friend. I guess it's a good thing you can't be my boss, eh?

 

[db85usa]

I think a sequel will come before a WF movie.

It certainly deserves one but I think the pressure will be to introduce either a WF or JL ensemble and then a sequel. Who really knows what WB's true game plan is. Really, the success of MoS will determine what happens with everything.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

[YT]-_IlNbsILLE[/YT]

Why are some people under this delusion that WB is going to be like "yeah Man of Steel is a big hit, lets make a World's Finest movie instead of a sequel to the movie people enjoyed!" Why on earth would they do that?

I'll bet anything that a 2015-2016 sequel will be made to Man of Steel if it is a hit. Not a spin-off movie but a direct sequel.

 

[db85usa]

Why are some people under this delusion that WB is going to be like "yeah Man of Steel is a big hit, lets make a World's Finest movie instead of a sequel to the movie people enjoyed!" Why on earth would they do that?

Did you not see The Avengers? That's why. Competition. Money. There's immense panick at WB on what to do. They have no idea that's why everything is dependent on the success of MoS. If it hits big -- What do you think makes more money -- MoS 2 or World's Finest/JL?

 

[GreenKToo]

captain obvious here, but IF this does as well as expected, look for WB to not only announce a sequel, but a whole slew of DC films.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

captain obvious here, but IF this does as well as expected, look for WB to not only announce a sequel, but a whole slew of DC films.

Agreed and I think first on their docket will be a sequel to their hit movie.

 

[GreenKToo]

Agreed and I think first on their docket will be a sequel to their hit movie.

yup, I think so. I cant help but think they will wanna somehow get Batman back in the game very soon too. A new Batman.
Question is, will they want to do a solo, a WF, or a JL film to introduce him?

 

[Liam_H]

WW please.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

WW please.

Gonna be conservative. $500-$600M.

 

[robot]

Here's an idea:

Instead of just following Marvel's approach, why not find their own approach.. like, If MOS is profitable (I think 650 worldwide would do it), then do this:

- Create a trilogy for MOS (all shot at the same time, like LOTR) and release them 2015, 2016, 2017... each movie at least 2:30 Hours long, building up to the 3rd, 3 hours long, truly epic fight...

- Basically in the trilogy, slowly introduce the other Superheroes... and the trilogy is about a huge battle between the forces of good vs the forces of evil (maybe introduce some of the vilians)... and at the end of the 3rd installment, you basically have most of the JL in place....

Then continue with future JL movies from that point on... with individual story arcs for each of the super-hero themselves.. like Disney plans to do with Star Wars.. they'll have the same story arc of the Skywalkers, one movie every two years, and then have anothe rmovie/year that tells stories of other star wars characters...

 

[Liam_H]

Gonna be conservative. $500-$600M.

Oh lol, I meant as in Wonder Woman film.

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm really digging the approach wb has taken. Of course, MoS has to make bank first for anything else to happen.

 

[JOE]

No, as far as CBM go TA should be at the top with RT. TDK is just a better film overall. In my view, TDK isn't really a straight CBM. Yeah it has Batman, carries the name and symbol, characters, etc but in the end the whole trilogy is a crime drama. SM2 was overrated IMO, you watch it now compared to ASM, ASM is a far superior film. Iron Man 1 is deserving of its rating.

As a critic myself, I don't look into RT too much when watching a film and I've enjoyed a ton of movies that have lower ratings. Take Batman Begins for example. That is my favorite Batman film and has a 85% RT which IMO should be higher. That compared to a 92% or 95% RT rating? It's not a big difference.

TDK is a better movie overall, but you want The Avengers on top because you don't classify TDK as a CBM, rather a crime drama.

Does that make MOS more of an alien invasion movie rather than a CBM?

Does that make Captain America more of a war hero movie than a CBM?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Gonna be conservative. $500-$600M.

Don't you know that predicting anything less than a billion means that you are lowballing it!

 

[JOE]

Gonna be conservative. $500-$600M.

Another logical person on the board. Thank God.

 

[db85usa]

captain obvious here, but IF this does as well as expected, look for WB to not only announce a sequel, but a whole slew of DC films.

That's the dream but that probably isn't what WB ultimately has their eyes on. They've been flirting with WF/JL for how long now? Not a peep on other DC characters. GL? Ugh. It's ridiculous that there has been no Flash movie, though. I would love to see it happen. Sadly, I think if MoS does well, on one hand you either introduce new characters/go with a Superman sequel or you go with an ensemble film from the get go. I'd love to see an MoS sequel first sadly but as far as business goes, I don't think that will happen before a WF/JL film especially since TA 2 is on the way.

 

[JOE]

You would have quit without notice, my friend. I guess it's a good thing you can't be my boss, eh?

I'm not disrespecting what you do for a living, all I'm saying is it's not worth your life when MOS doesn't reach 750M WW. Save those predictions for MOS 2 after people fall in love with the first one.