Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

[Heretic]

I never stated that and everyone can back me up that I never stated that. The ONLY time he was violent was when he had to stop the Kryptonians from putting people in risk of danger and death. And he struggled with killing even Zod, I find it so odd people are acting like he didn't struggle - it took him a good 30 seconds for him to decide what to do. He didn't just up and killed him, you could see it was the HARDEST thing in the world for him to do. But knew he had no other choice so he made the heroic action of tainting himself with an emotional scar that won't leave over letting Zod put other lives in risk of danger and death.

He was a good man from the very START. That is what I stated. Him putting others ahead of himself always by having the instinct of saving people and holding himself back. With Zod, he couldn't - Zod was far from over. So, he had to do the thing Zod least expected. It was his only choice. You grab Zod and fly out - Zod would break free and go back to his killing spree. Without the Kents, child Clark might have accidentally killed someone if he fought back against the bullies since he didn't know his own strength. He held back from those bullies and saved Pete because of what the Kents instilled in him. His instincts were telling him to fight back against the bullies because he could easily take them on, his moral compass instilled by the Kents had Clark resist from doing so.

SMALLVILLE captures perfectly what I see as the possible Clark Kent without having the Kents there to guide him and much more deranged parental figure.

So...in the end...when Zod was all that remained...you think his goal was a killing spree? That Superman was trying to stop a killing spree? That's weird...since Zod specifically said that his only reason for living at that point was to kill Superman...who chose to fight it out in Metropolis...and in fact, when the fight went to space, for some unknown reason the fight then returned to practically the same block they just leveled...a very odd thing to do considering the movement of the planet etc.

That's the thing...Superman's greatest weakness is not Kryptonite...it is his morality. While a bad guy is beating on him, he is trying to save people. In your mind, Zod should have been trying to continue his killing spree, so he should have been so distracted that Superman could have beaten him easily.

You are right though...in this movie the Kents were shown to have taught Clark to restrain his powers, keep his powers secret. That was their point, as opposed to giving him his morality. We are just supposed to assume their great morality because it's Superman, so of course. In fact, Clark seems moral in spite of the Kents, who tried to talk him out of saving people several times.

 

[Pickle-El]

We be good like that.

I was in Pasadena last night. It was bedlam. Walk-ups 15 mins before showtime got crazy....not to mention the Supermen that showed up and were taking picture with everyone.

FYI, the Pasadena Arclight has a MOS Superman Suit on display in a glass case.

 

[Astrodust]

Ironically Skrilla's rant about how he wants the movie to disappear, for everyone to forget about it, and it to be left behind was the most heated thing I've heard from anyone that disliked it.

I read some of Skrilla's previous posts and though he has been very vocal about his hatred for MoS and basically proclaiming it's doom, he was at one time looking forward to the film. The problem lies in the fact that he believes his view of the film is shared with the majority and that the film is going to do horrible business and spawn no sequels. This is a divisive film and when you can accept that, you can accept people like Skrilla and maybe he can accept you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was in Pasadena last night. It was bedlam. Walk-ups 15 mins before showtime got crazy....not to mention the Supermen that showed up and were taking picture with everyone.

FYI, the Pasadena Arclight has a MOS Superman Suit on display in a glass case.

That all sounds awesome. Especially the suit being there.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

During that final battle, Zod's only goal was to kill Superman. Superman chose to stay in Metropolis and fight it out.

This isnt remotely close to accurate, he wanted to kill superman when he thought there was still a chance to bring the kryptonian race back. Once that was gone he made it clear, completely, that he would make Supes watch as many people suffer as possible.

And he couldn't control Zod...but he had him down, by the neck, and could snap his neck.

This is ridiculous, he had him subdued, yes but you think just because he could hold him still he should have been able to safely move him. In the real world cops need multiple people to hold someone down safely, let alone move them from one place to another without restraints.

Superman was stronger than Zod, but Zod was getting stronger as evidenced by when the armor came off. It was close to a stalemate AND ZOD WAS WEAKER. What happens as he gets stronger?

I wasnt happy about it when I first heard, but in context it made sense. You're acting like he snapped his neck then flew into space to smile into the camera.

 

[Heretic]

To me, I saw that entirely differently, I saw it as Zod playing with him because he knew how difficult it would be for Clark to kill him. He didn't expect him to. This is what gave Clark the upper hand. To me, at least, especially after the beat-down on the roof of the construction building Zod held all the cards. And when Zod realized what these people meant to him, he wanted revenge for Clark taking away what was important to him. Zod didn't want to just kill Clark in that moment, he wanted to destroy him.

Zod's plan was to put himself in a position where Superman could kill him, and then laugh after Superman was unable muster up the will to kill him? That was the general of the Kryptonian's army's plan?

 

[Astrodust]

Zod's plan was to put himself in a position where Superman could kill him, and then laugh after Superman was unable muster up the will to kill him? That was the general of the Kryptonian's army's plan?

Hey no plan is perfect.

 

[Heretic]

Hey no plan is perfect.

Zod's plan from the start was STUPID.

You go to the beacon in the crashed ship. You say "hey, Kal...this ship has all that is left of our people...I searched the cosmos and got a world builder...now lets go to Mars and build a new Krypton, so both your new home and ancestral home can survive and thrive in peace, trading goods and services and live in harmony, with you as the bridge between worlds."

But then, there'd be no movie, I guess. Zod's quest to save Krypton, and his stupid decisions are the only reason why it doesn't exist.

 

[Tony Stark]

Yup. Now let's get those numbers in so we can talk about it. So $50 million made on Friday and $21 million for yesterday's 7pm and midnight showings. WB estimated 80 million for the weekend. I think they'll hit that.

The 50M I believe includes the 9M midnight, but not the 12M Wal-Mart numbers. So it's 62m or better, and 100M is in the bag, its pretty much a question of how much more.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Can someone explain what the "walmart showings" are and why they are seperate numbers technically?

 

[Pickle-El]

Can someone explain what the "walmart showings" are and why they are seperate numbers technically?

Walmart showings were sold exclusively at Walmart leading up to the release. They were for 7PM showings prior to the midnight premiere.

No one is really saying why they were not included in the Friday number. I suppose since they technically did not happen on Friday after midnight. Then again. 10PM showings have been counted recently for other films, so.....who knows.

 

[Liam_H]

Because $12 million worth of tickets were bought by Walmart to be sold or given away and people are just counting it apart form the weekend.

 

[Tony Stark]

Zod's plan from the start was STUPID.

You go to the beacon in the crashed ship. You say "hey, Kal...this ship has all that is left of our people...I searched the cosmos and got a world builder...now lets go to Mars and build a new Krypton, so both your new home and ancestral home can survive and thrive in peace, trading goods and services and live in harmony, with you as the bridge between worlds."

But then, there'd be no movie, I guess. Zod's quest to save Krypton, and his stupid decisions are the only reason why it doesn't exist.

What I didn't get is why they exiled him when their planet was about to explode. This was the biggest problem from the changes from the Donner version. When everyone thinking Joe-El was full of it, when they put Zod in the Phantom zone, Jot-El mentions its a chance for life, and that the council had condemned the Kryptonians. In this version, the council knows they are screwed, so they send their most dangerous criminals to a temporary safe zone so when the planet explodes it destroys the method holding them there.

Goyer absolutely sucks as a writer. Thank goodness for the charm of Cavil or this film would be in deep trouble.

 

[Heretic]

This isnt remotely close to accurate, he wanted to kill superman when he thought there was still a chance to bring the kryptonian race back. Once that was gone he made it clear, completely, that he would make Supes watch as many people suffer as possible.




This is ridiculous, he had him subdued, yes but you think just because he could hold him still he should have been able to safely move him. In the real world cops need multiple people to hold someone down safely, let alone move them from one place to another without restraints.

Superman was stronger than Zod, but Zod was getting stronger as evidenced by when the armor came off. It was close to a stalemate AND ZOD WAS WEAKER. What happens as he gets stronger?

I wasnt happy about it when I first heard, but in context it made sense. You're acting like he snapped his neck then flew into space to smile into the camera.

I don't recall Zod stating his new, final plan was to kill as many earthlings as possible. I recall his goal being to kill Superman. Then again, I could be wrong and doubt I will watch the movie again to find out.

Which is weird anyway...since a sample of Superman's blood went into the Phantom Zone. The very Zod came to earth to get was still out there.

I recall that fight scene having people thrown for blocks...even into space. But hey...I'm just a guy that thinks that Superman would rather move someone's neck a few inches rather then kill them...clearly Superman is a guy who kills bad guys if they are a threat. I just remember reading lots of comics where Superman was kind of opposed to that sort of thing, and greatly regretting doing it when it happened (to the point where a sequel would have to address it).

 

[Astrodust]

Zod's plan from the start was STUPID.

You go to the beacon in the crashed ship. You say "hey, Kal...this ship has all that is left of our people...I searched the cosmos and got a world builder...now lets go to Mars and build a new Krypton, so both your new home and ancestral home can survive and thrive in peace, trading goods and services and live in harmony, with you as the bridge between worlds."

But then, there'd be no movie, I guess. Zod's quest to save Krypton, and his stupid decisions are the only reason why it doesn't exist.

Mars? Who wants to live on Mars. Earth has an abundance of resources. Makes more sense to terraform Earth seeing as he is already there and views us as monkeys. The last part I'm assuming. Why waste gas when you found a tropical island.

 

[Tony Stark]

Because $12 million worth of tickets were bought by Walmart to be sold or given away and people are just counting it apart form the weekend.

yeah it's caused quite a stir on the Box Office Theory forums.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Walmart showings were sold exclusively at Walmart leading up to the release. They were for 7PM showings prior to the midnight premiere.

No one is really saying why they were not included in the Friday number. I suppose since they technically did not happen on Friday after midnight. Then again. 10PM showings have been counted recently for other films, so.....who knows.

Thanks. I was for some reason literally picturing people watching the film at various walmart locations which seemed pretty awkward haha.

 

[Heretic]

What I didn't get is why they exiled him when their planet was about to explode. This was the biggest problem from the changes from the Donner version. When everyone thinking Joe-El was full of it, when they put Zod in the Phantom zone, Jot-El mentions its a chance for life, and that the council had condemned the Kryptonians. In this version, the council knows they are screwed, so they send their most dangerous criminals to a temporary safe zone so when the planet explodes it destroys the method holding them there.

Goyer absolutely sucks as a writer. Thank goodness for the charm of Cavil or this film would be in deep trouble.

They sent their murderers to the safety of the Phantom Zone, while they all waited to die. I would have GLADLY gone to the Phantom Zone if it meant getting off of Krypton. This was a planet that had sent ships all over the universe thousands of years prior...and refused to leave Krypton to save themselves.

 

[Heretic]

Mars? Who wants to live on Mars. Earth has an abundance of resources. Makes more sense to terraform Earth seeing as he is already there and views us as monkeys. The last part I'm assuming. Why waste gas when you found a tropical island.

Terraforming would make things habitable for them on Mars...the plan for those ships was to find worlds that often had very bad conditions and the machines would make things good.

Zod doesn't kill for the heck of it. At least that was the way he was portrayed. He even felt regret for killing Jor-el decades later. The man the movie portrayed would have opted not to kill...but for absolutely no reason, he didnt.

 

[Astrodust]

They sent their murderers to the safety of the Phantom Zone, while they all waited to die. I would have GLADLY gone to the Phantom Zone if it meant getting off of Krypton. This was a planet that had sent ships all over the universe thousands of years prior...and refused to leave Krypton to save themselves.

This has always been the issue with the Superman mythology imo. How can a race that has the technology to send a child to a distant solar system be wiped out.

 

[Ultimatehero]

This isnt remotely close to accurate, he wanted to kill superman when he thought there was still a chance to bring the kryptonian race back. Once that was gone he made it clear, completely, that he would make Supes watch as many people suffer as possible.

Exactly.

Zod's plan was to put himself in a position where Superman could kill him, and then laugh after Superman was unable muster up the will to kill him? That was the general of the Kryptonian's army's plan?

He didn't think Clark had it in him. Clark clearly wasn't the strongest of the two. They made that very clear on the rooftops of the construction site.

 

[Marvin]

And yet Batman in TDK and TDKR is a true hero who avoids killing and cares about human life, and is even willing to sacrifice his life for others. So how does this compare to Superman

Spoiler

killing

? And do you really believe that Clark is

Spoiler

a murderer

? He did what he had to do.

Not sure if this has been addressed but batman's hand's aren't exactly clean in those batman movies.

 

[Astrodust]

Terraforming would make things habitable for them on Mars...the plan for those ships was to find worlds that often had very bad conditions and the machines would make things good.

Zod doesn't kill for the heck of it. At least that was the way he was portrayed. He even felt regret for killing Jor-el decades later. The man the movie portrayed would have opted not to kill...but for absolutely no reason, he didnt.

No he killed for the survival of his people. He had no love for humans as the movie demonstrated. We were ants to him. Really Mars doesn't even have water. At least not compared to earth. Perhaps they had the technology to make Mars habitable but why the extra work? A quick look at human history has shown our contempt for races we found to be inferior. Humans have taken what and when they wanted. I never got the "nice guy" image from Zod.

 

[Spaz]

I don't recall Zod stating his new, final plan was to kill as many earthlings as possible. I recall his goal being to kill Superman. Then again, I could be wrong and doubt I will watch the movie again to find out.

Which is weird anyway...since a sample of Superman's blood went into the Phantom Zone. The very Zod came to earth to get was still out there.

I recall that fight scene having people thrown for blocks...even into space. But hey...I'm just a guy that thinks that Superman would rather move someone's neck a few inches rather then kill them...clearly Superman is a guy who kills bad guys if they are a threat. I just remember reading lots of comics where Superman was kind of opposed to that sort of thing, and greatly regretting doing it when it happened (to the point where a sequel would have to address it).

Right before Zod attacks Kal in the final battle he explicitly states that Kal has essentially taken his soul and purpose and as a result he would kill each and everyone of us one by one.

 

[Ultimatehero]

Zod doesn't kill for the heck of it. At least that was the way he was portrayed. He even felt regret for killing Jor-el decades later. The man the movie portrayed would have opted not to kill...but for absolutely no reason, he didnt.

I don't recall him showing regret over Jor-El dying either. He was more like a sociopath there. Jor-El was in his way, so he had to kill him and then later he killed Jor-El's ghost for doing the same thing and want his ghost to feel the pain as well. He was a cold and ruthless general who saw what he did was good because he wanted to save his people, but the way he went about it was cold and calculating and merciless.