Man Of Steel Soars @ Comic Con - Part 2

[Lighthouse]

Christ influence....now that would be new.

Yeah, but it'd be Dafoe Christ.

 

[Moridin]

I saw the CC trailer, I'm impressed and cautiously optimistic. Snyder & Goyer both have spotty track records but hopefully with a bit of luck they'll pull something great out of the bag.

Thor and CA didnt do any better than what Incredible Hulk did and Marvel considered that a flop

If you're going to tell other people to "check the numbers" then at least you could do the same, what you said there is flat out incorrect.

TIH:Budget - $150 million

US Gross - $134,806,913
Int Gross - $128,620,638 Total - $263,427,551


CA:TFA: Budget - $140 million

US - $176,654,505
Int - $191,953,858 Total - $368,608,363


Thor: Budget - $150 million

US - $181,030,624
Int - $268,295,994 Total - $449,326,618

TIH flopped, Cap did over 2.5 times it's budget & Thor trippled it's budget.

Compare that with:
SR: Budget - $270 million (I know there was bleed over from abandoned attempts, but holy ****, I didn't realise it was that big)

US - $200,081,192
Int - $191,000,000 Total - $391,081,192

Superman is more relevant than any CA, Thor, and most of the Avengers. Iron Man and Hulk are the only two people I would say are up there.

You're confusing "more well known" with "more relevant". Supes is certainly more well known than IM, Cap, Thor & Hulk (or was before a few months ago) but the reality is the latter just starred in a $1.5 billion critically acclaimed movie while the former was last seen 6 years ago in a forgetable flop. So really, who is more relevant right now?

MoS can begin to change that but as someone else said, Supes isn't entitled to the "throne" simply because he was first, he'll have to work for like any other hero.

 

[UaalaDan]

Hell no to any more Christ references.

 

[Lighthouse]

Hell no to any more Christ references.

Have you seen Last Temptation?

 

[charl_huntress]

Off the top of my head, the current Action Comics run is better then Birthright and so are All Star Superman, Moore's classics, Brainiac, Superman and the Legion, Superman for All Seasons, Up, Up and Away, and Secret Identity.

Okay, so you don't like BR. I can understand that because soul vision does blow...t:. I also do not particularly care for All Star. My point though is it is one of the better comics out of a look of comics about Superman.

 

[KalMart]

Yeah, but it'd be Dafoe Christ.

Still too meditative/allegorical a reference/influence. I'd kinda' like to see a new Superman create a new 'model' itself.

 

[charl_huntress]

What should be the run time of this movie.

Hmm...I don't want it to be longer than 2 hours. Just under two hours would be ideal. Anything longer should be saved for a director's cut or extended edition.

 

[KalMart]

Hmm...I don't want it to be longer than 2 hours. Just under two hours would be ideal.

Agreed, it'd be nice if these things started tidying back down to two hrs than moving 15+ minutes longer. But hopefully that it is the director's and fully-intended cut...not one of whatever other versions to be released later. Of course some studios feel the need to capitalize more with one, but it starts to mislead viewers into thinking that there's always other versions of a film that should come out.

 

[charl_huntress]

think you're getting ahead of yourself again buddy.

I remember when everyone thought SR was going to be great

Yep, I remember those days too. In fact, I was one those very people saying SR was going to be great. I ignored the folks who pointed out (very early on) some clearly troubling things with the production, script, etc.

I only hope MOS is good, but my enthusiam is tempered by my experience with SR.

Agreed, it'd be nice if these things started tidying back down to two hrs than moving 15+ minutes longer. But hopefully that it is the director's and fully-intended cut...not one of whatever other versions to be released later. Of course some studios feel the need to capitalize more with one, but it starts to mislead viewers into thinking that there's always other versions of a film that should come out.

Yeah, I feel like people have to want to be engaged or invested for that long of a running time. In fact, as a die hard Supes fan I feel like I NEED to be engaged to want to sit through that long of a movie. I remember thinking that TDKR had a super long running time, but then it was the last movie so it deserved. Though I love me so Supes, his first movie doesn't deserve that...YET.

 

[UaalaDan]

Nah. I'd say about 130-140 mins would be ideal. There's a lot to deal in this movie with Krypton and all.

 

[Legend]

I just got emailed with the new leaked SDCC footage and just watched it...

http://images.ukcs.net/13983/bloo.gif

OMG That was so epic and amazing beyond words! Nolan is my hero man... I have no words to express what I feel after he did justice for Batman for the Dark Knight Trilogy and made him more memorable. His and Zack's take on Superman with this CC trailer has touched me on so many levels... Batman's Legend was incredible when I saw TDKR. Now I'm looking forward to seeing Superman's Legend being told and done the right way and it made me have some many good feels I can't describe...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69cviZWnA1qm8xob.gif

t:I'm like crying with epic tears of joy my #2 fave hero is redeemed and coming out next year. I can tell this film will have heart, effort and grit with grounded levels that what we've seen with Nolan's Batman maybe more. It's going to be the best movie of 2013.

 

[Compi716]

I just got emailed with the new leaked SDCC footage and just watched it...

http://images.ukcs.net/13983/bloo.gif

OMG That was so epic and amazing beyond words! Nolan is my hero man... I have no words to express what I feel after he did justice for Batman for the Dark Knight Trilogy and made him more memorable. His and Zack's take on Superman with this CC trailer has touched me on so many levels... Batman's Legend was incredible when I saw TDKR. Now I'm looking forward to seeing Superman's Legend being told and done the right way and it made me have some many good feels I can't describe...

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69cviZWnA1qm8xob.gif

t:I'm like crying with epic tears of joy my #2 fave hero is redeemed and coming out next year. I can tell this film will have heart, effort and grit with grounded levels that what we've seen with Nolan's Batman maybe more. It's going to be the best movie of 2013.

I hate to ask, but is this sarcasm? Because if you're in love with the footage, Nolan is not the one to thank.

 

[charl_huntress]

lol

 

[Micromind]

I hate to ask, but is this sarcasm? Because if you're in love with the footage, Nolan is not the one to thank.

Nolan got the approval for this project and he is credited as a story writer with Goyer (if you want to believe in IMDB.) and he is the co- producer, so if anyone feels like thanking Nolan, it is not entirely wrong.

 

[Legend]

Nolan got the approval for this project and he is credited as a story writer with Goyer (if you want to believe in IMDB.) and he is the co- producer, so if anyone feels like thanking Nolan, it is not entirely wrong.

Exactly! Nolan being the producer is good enough for me and Zack as the director is also awesome aswell.

But the fact Nolan redeemed both my favorite superheroes really makes me happy. I still think it wasn't coincidence seeing that scene in Nolan's Memento film where you see The logo's of batman and superman here http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4594/batmanlogomemento.jpg just seems like this man was destined to give us best batman and superman we deserve now, not the one's we needed then. but he said in the interview for TDKR that was just by a coincidence of course. lol And he did with Batman with TDK Trilogy. Now I'm looking forward to what level of story he's going to show us of his version superman with the help of Zack, Goyer, his wife, and Zack's brother. I have no doubt they will bring out the best of what want to see in Man of Steel. t:

 

[Zionite1]

think you're getting ahead of yourself again buddy.

I remember when everyone thought SR was going to be great

Really? People were actually optimistic about it.I fully expected SR to fail because it wasnt a reboot but a continuation of a 30 year old franchise whose last 2 films sucked.I mean how cld any one not see the fail written all over it?Probably the crazy Donner love blinded them.

 

[Herolee10]

Really? People were actually optimistic about it.I fully expected SR to fail because it wasnt a reboot but a continuation of a 30 year old franchise whose last 2 films sucked.I mean how cld any one not see the fail written all over it?Probably the crazy Donner love blinded them.

Well, they were only going off of the two that were good, and when you consider on all of the failed attempts, and how we almost got Tim Burton's Superman or other interpretations that probably would have damaged the character more than Joel did to Batman's character on screen...I think people were grateful that we were getting on what was closer to what people were familiar with back then, plus a lot of people had hoped that with Singer's work on the first x men films that he could do the same for Superman.

It was only after the release of more footage and getting to know the plot a lot better that the bad signs started to become more evident.

 

[BH/HHH]

Really? People were actually optimistic about it.I fully expected SR to fail because it wasnt a reboot but a continuation of a 30 year old franchise whose last 2 films sucked.I mean how cld any one not see the fail written all over it?Probably the crazy Donner love blinded them.

What about Prometheus a prequel (of sorts) to the Alien franchise whose last two films were awful and two awful AVP spin offs. Revisiting the past can work I admit looking back it wasn't a good idea to do a sequel to the Donnerverse but at the time no one knew what to do with Superman in comes Bryan Singer on the back of the massive success of X2 of course WB's listened to him.

 

[matrix_ghost]

Well, they were only going off of the two that were good, and when you consider on all of the failed attempts, and how we almost got Tim Burton's Superman or other interpretations that probably would have damaged the character more than Joel did to Batman's character on screen...I think people were grateful that we were getting on what was closer to what people were familiar with back then, plus a lot of people had hoped that with Singer's work on the first x men films that he could do the same for Superman.

It was only after the release of more footage and getting to know the plot a lot better that the bad signs started to become more evident.

Definately

 

[Zionite1]

What about Prometheus a prequel (of sorts) to the Alien franchise whose last two films were awful and two awful AVP spin offs. Revisiting the past can work I admit looking back it wasn't a good idea to do a sequel to the Donnerverse but at the time no one knew what to do with Superman in comes Bryan Singer on the back of the massive success of X2 of course WB's listened to him.

Promethus wasnt exactly a prequel and it wasnt exactly worth all the hype so it doesnt really fit here.
Bryan Singer didnt make Xmen movies-he made Wolverine and Xmen movies.That should have been warning 1.Warning no 2 should have been that they actually thought it was a good idea to continue a dated franchise.A franchise with so much camp and corniness it would fail if released today.But of course Donner love blinds all.

 

[BH/HHH]

Promethus wasnt exactly a prequel and it wasnt exactly worth all the hype so it doesnt really fit here.
Bryan Singer didnt make Xmen movies-he made Wolverine and Xmen movies.That should have been warning 1.Warning no 2 should have been that they actually thought it was a good idea to continue a dated franchise.A franchise with so much camp and corniness it would fail if released today.But of course Donner love blinds all.

That's not my point with Prometheus u said they shouldn't have revisited the Donnerverse after the last two films were so bad but Prometheus revisited the Alien universe after the last two were bad. I'm not saying going back to the Donnerverse was a good idea infact it was a mistake at least the way SR's was executed but WBs were unsure what to do with Superman and of course your gonna listen to the guy who just made two very successful X-Men movies. Your opinion of them doesn't matter in this argument at all as the point is WBs want to nake money and will hire people who are successful. End of the day most fans wanted Superman rebooted but a lot do love the Donner films and we got caught up in it. Nothing wrong with that mistakes happen and we move on. That's what's happening now no need to bash love for the Donner films or SR's.

 

[Zionite1]

That's not my point with Prometheus u said they shouldn't have revisited the Donnerverse after the last two films were so bad but Prometheus revisited the Alien universe after the last two were bad.

Promethus was a loose prequel.Loose being the key word.SR was a sequel with little retcons

I'm not saying going back to the Donnerverse was a good idea infact it was a mistake at least the way SR's was executed but WBs were unsure what to do with Superman and of course your gonna listen to the guy who just made two very successful X-Men movies. Your opinion of them doesn't matter in this argument at all as the point is WBs want to nake money and will hire people who are successful. .

I wasnt talking about WB .Iwas talking about fans.Iwas suprised that fans didnt see the fail written over SR and i surmised it waas because of Donner love.

End of the day most fans wanted Superman rebooted but a lot do love the Donner films and we got caught up in it. Nothing wrong with that mistakes happen and we move on. That's what's happening now no need to bash love for the Donner films or SR's.

Im bashing the fact that it seems that fans let Donner love blind them from the fact that SR was a bad idea.Im *****ing about how fanboyism can sometimes stop fans from seeing truth when it should be so damn clear.I am not bashing Donner-it was good for its time.

 

[Herolee10]

So I guess we have to ask ourselves, from what we know of MOS, does it objectively look to be a promising film or is our need for a new and great modern day Superman film, along with knowing who's involved with the project in terms of cast and crew blinding us from seeing it objectively? Hmmmmmm

 

[Zionite1]

So I guess we have to ask ourselves, from what we know of MOS, does it objectively look to be a promising film or is our need for a new and great modern day Superman film, along with knowing who's involved with the project in terms of cast and crew blinding us from seeing it objectively? Hmmmmmm

We also must not let our fanboy desires blind us from seeing what should be in the film and should not be in the film.For example should the film there be a better explanation for why Clarks glasses disguise work asides from the comic explanation?

 

[BH/HHH]

Promethus was a loose prequel.Loose being the key word.SR was a sequel with little retcons

Superman Returns was a loose sequel, it retconned plenty

I wasnt talking about WB .Iwas talking about fans.Iwas suprised that fans didnt see the fail written over SR and i surmised it waas because of Donner love.

I was never a big fan of Singer making a huge action film because whilst I like his X-Men movies they're a little underwhelming in the epic action stakes. You also have to remember at the time we were so desperate for a Superman movie that we were just so happy to get one. Most of us did get caught up in it but it doesn't matter now.

Im bashing the fact that it seems that fans let Donner love blind them from the fact that SR was a bad idea.Im *****ing about how fanboyism can sometimes stop fans from seeing truth when it should be so damn clear.I am not bashing Donner-it was good for its time.

Ok sorry I took that bit wrong, like I said we were so excited to be getting a Superman movie we probably were blinded but hey you live and learn.