Marvel Now - Part 4

[blalex620]

Sure it is. She started out in that exact same mold. Ms. Marvel was created as the Supergirl to Captain Marvel's Superman. That's just plain fact. I actually agree with both of you that she's since surpassed Mar-Vell and earned the right to be a self-contained hero--which is why I think she deserves the Captain Marvel name, which is the "main" name for that family. Calling her Ms. Marvel in this day and age just seems outdated and silly when the perfectly good, stronger Captain Marvel moniker is just sitting there, unused.

So if, hypothetically, the day comes when Spergirl outshines Superman what do we call her? My point is I get that it might seem outdated but Ms Marvel is by far the most popular name for Carol. I mean Captain Marvel just doesn't fit for me but, that's just me. I feel like her trying to take up that mantle makes her less of her own hero. But then again that could have all been addressed in her new book which I haven't read yet.

 

[chamber-music]

I wanted to like Captain Marvel but the art was terrible and the first few issues were rather dull.

The only female superhero books at Marvel worth reading are X-Men and Journey Into Mystery right now which is a shame.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm on the side that says change her back to Ms. Marvel. Yes, she's outshined Captain Marvel. How badly has she outshined him? So much so that I've been reading comics for 22 years and only learned JUST THIS YEAR that she had any connection to Mar-Vell. When I hear the name Ms. Marvel I don't think of Captain Marvel. I think of Marvel Comics. I consider her the woman who took on the company name (a much bigger relevance and compliment than to consider her named after a dead hero from the 70s).

So yeah, make her Ms. Marvel. It fits her. It stands out apart from all the other Captain Marvels (Mar-Vell, Photon, Genis, Skrull-Vell, Shazam). There have been many Captain Marvels. There's only been one Ms. Marvel, and we all know who she is.

 

[StreetWarrior]

These relaunches are getting ridiculous. It's one thing if it's a major creative shift (i.e. Hickman's New Avengers or Marvel Now Thunderbolts) but for characters as B-list as Captain Marvel and Venom it is so dumb. Why piss off long time readers (and risk them leaving) to gain 1 or 2 new fans with a new #1. Wasn't the whole point of the .1 issues to prevent this?

We should be on Avengers #600-something, damn it!

 

[JewishHobbit]

This past issue would have been Uncanny X-Men 575.

 

[Havok83]

I'm on the side that says change her back to Ms. Marvel. Yes, she's outshined Captain Marvel. How badly has she outshined him? So much so that I've been reading comics for 22 years and only learned JUST THIS YEAR that she had any connection to Mar-Vell. When I hear the name Ms. Marvel I don't think of Captain Marvel. I think of Marvel Comics. I consider her the woman who took on the company name (a much bigger relevance and compliment than to consider her named after a dead hero from the 70s).

So yeah, make her Ms. Marvel. It fits her. It stands out apart from all the other Captain Marvels (Mar-Vell, Photon, Genis, Skrull-Vell, Shazam). There have been many Captain Marvels. There's only been one Ms. Marvel, and we all know who she is.

Actually there's been two Ms Marvels but the second is irrelevant and easily forgettable. She ended up being best known as the She-Thing. Everyone thinks of Carol when Ms Marvel is brought up

 

[JewishHobbit]

True. Forgot about her. But hey... proves my point.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

I first started reading about Ms. Marvel in the post-Heroes Return Iron Man by Busiek and Chen, where we find out she was an alcoholic. I had no idea she was connected to Captain Marvel.

 

[StreetWarrior]

This past issue would have been Uncanny X-Men 575.

Which is a shame. A high number is a testament to the popularity and, to a much lesser extent, the quality of a title. I don't read UXM and never have but it saddens me that the title is deprived of such a lofty distinction.

Marvel's flagship titles (Uncanny X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Hulk) should be given the respect earned from a high issue number.

I really, really hate these pointless relaunches. It makes discussing issues with friends so much more difficult: "Hey, do you remember [event] that occured in Iron Man #7?" "Which #7?" It's a poor example but when there have been 7 or 8 relaunches it makes it hard to discuss character history or chase down back issues. I know I've had trouble while searching for back issues in the past. "I need Avengers #9 but is this issue from volume #2 or volume #3?" There have now been 5 different Avengers #1. A first issue isn't special if it happens every other year.

 

[chamber-music]

Ms. Marvel was some women Rogue stole her powers from when I started reading comics.

 

[BoredGuy]

yeah to be honest, I grew up knowing Ms. Marvel, but Captain Marvel was already dead when I started
so every memory of the character in my mind is related to her as Ms., and for most people who started reading in the 90's as well.
I didn't know she was connected to Mar-vell, it wasn't until she got the "promotion" that I knew she was "just a female version" of a character

 

[javi1024]

These relaunches are getting ridiculous. It's one thing if it's a major creative shift (i.e. Hickman's New Avengers or Marvel Now Thunderbolts) but for characters as B-list as Captain Marvel and Venom it is so dumb. Why piss off long time readers (and risk them leaving) to gain 1 or 2 new fans with a new #1. Wasn't the whole point of the .1 issues to prevent this?

We should be on Avengers #600-something, damn it!

God the .1s were so pointless.
Captain America .1: Reflecting on Captain America's influence, giving readers a brief history while it still relates to the on-going story being told- Perfect.
Uncanny X-men .1: Introducing Magneto as the newest member of the X-Men and reintroducing him to the world- Ok.
Uncanny X-Force 5.1: A one-shot story in the middle of an on-going arc completely unrelated to anything- Do you really need to catch readers up after 5 ISSUES?
Uncanny X-Force 19.1(another one?): A primer for the new Age of Apocalypse title- HUH??
Venom 13.1, .2, .3, .4: Used in between #13 and #14 to tell a 6-part arc- WTF?!?

 

[Panthro]

Some very interesting views on the Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel debate.

Were the low sales due to poor writing or poor promotion, or some combination of both? I only read the first volume and while I thought Kelly Sue D' wrote Carol well enough I found the time travel shenanigans to be pretty boring, to say nothing of Dexter Soy's poor artwork.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I only read the first issue of the newest run and liked it quite a bit. I just didn't have the budget to keep going.

 

[hippie_hunter]

These relaunches are getting ridiculous. It's one thing if it's a major creative shift (i.e. Hickman's New Avengers or Marvel Now Thunderbolts) but for characters as B-list as Captain Marvel and Venom it is so dumb. Why piss off long time readers (and risk them leaving) to gain 1 or 2 new fans with a new #1. Wasn't the whole point of the .1 issues to prevent this?

We should be on Avengers #600-something, damn it!

Actually, we aren't at Avengers #600 yet. More like Avengers #555 with the current issue.

 

[Havok83]

I only read the first issue of the newest run and liked it quite a bit. I just didn't have the budget to keep going.

I said it before but I think the double shipping and $3.99 price tag of the top tier books cannibalized potential sales of the mid and lower tier titles

 

[blalex620]

Some very interesting views on the Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel debate.

Were the low sales due to poor writing or poor promotion, or some combination of both? I only read the first volume and while I thought Kelly Sue D' wrote Carol well enough I found the time travel shenanigans to be pretty boring, to say nothing of Dexter Soy's poor artwork.

It was probably a combination of poor promotion, not too great stories and the fact that unless you knew Carol had a connection to Captain Marvel (which it's clear a lot of readers didn't, myself included for a while) the importance of the name change seemed pointless. Plus Marvel really sucks at promoting anything that isn't Avengers, the new Nova and Guardians, Spider-Man and X-Men related.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I said it before but I think the double shipping and $3.99 price tag of the top tier books cannibalized potential sales of the mid and lower tier titles

Oh yeah, definitely. My big titles are X-Men, and with the majority of the line being $4 (actually, I think the entire line now that Gambit and X-Factor are canceled), I have to cut other things to get the X-Books I want. I made those adjustments, and now that everything's double-shipping I've had to make more cuts. Captain Marvel's a 3rd tier title with a character that I'm not married to. If everything was still single shipping and $3 I'd have likely kept going on it, but with the way things are, my budget can only take so much. So it was quickly dropped. Same with Venom, Scarlet Spider, Hawkeye, and Gambit. All new books that I gave an issue or two to WOW me, that I enjoyed, but not enough to replace one of my other books that are $4 and double-ship,

 

[The Squirrel]

What's the point behind double shipping? Just the money?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Supposedly so we can get more of our favorite books quicker. So yeah, it's about money. But I like how they try to justify it by telling us what we want.

 

[hippie_hunter]

What's the point behind double shipping? Just the money?

I think for the bigger books like Avengers, Superior Spider-Man, etc. it's about getting more money from the consumer, people will continue buying those books. With smaller books like Avengers Arena and Morbius, it's more along the lines of screwing with the shops because it's hard for them to properly adjust to books that double ship and Marvel knows that those books will crash and burn, thus it's about getting more money from the dealers because consumers aren't buying those books.

 

[Doc Ock]

What's the point behind double shipping? Just the money?

I needs to die!

 

[Mr. Dent]

No, I think I'm good with getting more of what I want. :/

I'm guessing not many of you read manga. And it's not like you absolutely HAVE to buy the comics to read them.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, you only have to buy them if you give even the tiniest s*** about the comic medium as a whole. Comics aren't like movies or TV. They're a small enough niche market that every single sale counts.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Nah, every sale doesn't matter. Not unless 1 single sale decides whether a comic is canceled or continues. There's the often spoken political excuse of "yeah, but if all the people who don't vote actually vote..." but they aren't, so it doesn't matter.

Seldom ever does every vote/sale count in anything.

Sorry. Pet Peeve