Mass Effect 3 - Part 1

[Havok83]

I actually thought Grunt was much more interesting than Wrex (and I liked Wrex a lot. I was devasted when I had to kill him in my very first playthrough.). His character development was pretty great too.

I never felt Grunt had much personality. Wrex was a much better character

 

[The Squirrel]

I enjoyed Grunt way more than Wrex.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

I hated Wrex from the onset. It wasnt a hard decision to off him. Grunt i liked.

They keep saying Wrex will come back, but i assume that wont be true if you offed him in ME1 right?

 

[BlackLantern]

I liked both....both had interesting stories, Grunt on one side of his life and Wrex on the other

 

[El Bastardo]

How in the world does someone come to the conclusion that Grunt has little personality?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Grunt had very little personality but that didn't make him a bad character. He was unapologetically straight forward and blunt. It's the way he was bred. It made his conflict of emotions more interesting too. No personality doesn't mean he had no depth.

 

[Havok83]

Grunt had very little personality but that didn't make him a bad character. He was unapologetically straight forward and blunt. It's the way he was bred. It made his conflict of emotions more interesting too. No personality doesn't mean he had no depth.

I still found Wrex to be a more well rounded and ultimately more enjoyable character

 

[El Bastardo]

Unapologetically straight-forward - check in the personality column
Unapologetically blunt - check in the personality column
General disdain for others - check in the personality column
Seeking a reason to care - check in the personality column
Loving good fights - check in the personality column
Potential loyalty to Shepard - check in the personality column
Mental immaturity vs. Physical maturity - check in the personality column

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm not saying he doesn't have character, just he doesn't have personality, in the proper sense of the word. He is a fully rounded character who isn't SUPPOSED to have any personality. Even he regards such sentiments as weak. Again, i'm not saying he lacks depth, he's a great character, he just doesn't have personality. He is raw, pure instinct.

Haven't you ever met anyone with zero personality? It is possible to not have a personality and still have emotional depth.

Check in the logic column

 

[El Bastardo]

Except those are all examples of personality, Grunt's personality. Those are all the visible qualities he projects upon us in our interactions with him through Shepard. Alternatively, using personality to indicate his overall collection of qualities would be exemplified by something such as "Grunt's is an aggressive personality with a hint of wonder and/or amazement." And then, as listed, they work to make personality synonymous with character. So evidently they work with personality "in the proper sense of the word," whichever that was. Unless you were going with personality indicating celebrity status, and then yeah, my bad. Grunt's not much of a celebrity.

Thinking that a character is not supposed to have any personality is silly. I mean, maybe a robot, but even Johnny 5 had a personality. Why? Because Johnny 5 is a protagonist character and we are supposed to care for him, and caring for something generally requires personification, which I'm thinking is probably related to the word personality. Johnny 5 also had a mohawk and an eyepatch at one point, and then he got really golden like Super Sonic. Those actually aren't requirements to care.

It probably is possible for a person or character, potentially, to have zero personality and be capable of emotional depth. Lots of things are possible, potentially. I could potentially blow up the world. It's probably not going to happen. Two problems arise with this: one, I've never met someone with zero personality. Ever. I've never heard of someone with zero personality. The monotone professor who drones on and on and on is the closest I could conceive to having no personality, and yet he'd have personality. (Or Jacob. But Jacob has personality, too. The PRIIIIIIIZE.) The second problem is, who the **** would want to read about someone who has no personality, or meet someone with no personality?

Grunt, on the other hand, has little emotional depth. He's not going to be the krogan reading poetry to his asari girlfriend. He's not going to get misty-eyed if the time comes that he and Shepard are on opposite sides of a battle. That also would not upset him, anger him, or enrage him. There is a sense of belonging to becoming Urdnot, but it's less a sense of yearning or need and more because it's what should be. Simply, Grunt is - Grunt is Krogan, and that's that.

But the personality is there, oh yes. Because if it wasn't, he'd be flat, and nobody would like him. Like how everyone looks at Jacob.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Jesus you're a pain in the arse dude. I always have arguments with you, and it's because you always pick up on the meaning of ONE word, ignoring the way the other person is clearly using it, and hang your whole argument on YOUR meaning for that word.

Personality


1. the sum total of all the behavioural and mental characteristics by means of which an individual is recognized as being unique
2. the distinctive character of a person that makes him socially attractive: a salesman needs a lot of personality
3. a well-known person in a certain field, such as sport or entertainment
4. a remarkable person: the old fellow is a real personality
5. the quality of being a unique person
6. the distinctive atmosphere of a place or situation
7. ( often plural ) a personal remark

I was clearly using the word in the way definition 2 implies. You are arguing for the 1st definition. I never disagreed with the definition you were using, agreeing that he had emotional depth and behavioural attributes. Seriously dude, it's like you only saw the words "no personality" in my post and chose not to read on.

For next time, the key way to tell the difference in what someone else means, is by reading their posts. I never said he didn't have 'A personality', I said he had 'little to no personality'. It's all in the language.

 

[El Bastardo]

Where'd you drag that definition of personality out of? I've never seen the qualifier "socially attractive" attached to a meaning of the word, ever, until now. Although I could argue that Grunt's personality, in that sense, would be quite socially attractive to the Krogan species and culture. More accurately, it's probably meant to relate to visible aspects of personality and character, removing the needless and silly qualifier "socially attractive," like this: "the visible aspect of one's character as it impresses others: He has a pleasing personality." Which makes it synonymous to character, and incorporates visible elements of personality, both of which I already addressed.

And there was no MY specific meaning of the word. I addressed several possible definitions of the word, even incorporating a snarky use of personality to indicate celebrity status. But you'd know that, since you're all about reading posts.

 

[BlackLantern]

yea...socially attractive is entirely subjective

depends on what sort of society you're living in

 

[Wolvieboy17]

You've honestly never heard that meaning for the word? Basically synonymous with charisma? You've never said or heard someone say "XXXX has a great personality" or "Jesus, that guy has NO personality."

Gah, this argument is so stupid. You realise with all of our freaking arguments, we agree on the core thing but then you drag us both down into semantic town. You've even got me listing definitions now. What's wrong with me?!?

 

[El Bastardo]

"So-and-so has a great personality" could mean so many things, not necessarily referencing charisma. Also the case for the latter example.

Charisma isn't even about a person being "socially attractive."

So no, I've never seen personality being defined by that particular meaning, as I don't think I've ever seen a word defined with a subjective qualifier that should not belong there.

 

[Master Chief]

the reapers are on the way and you're all fighting about this?!

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Are you kidding? Thats exactly what charisma is..... Someone who is very charismatic will be more socially attractive to others, that is to say, people are drawn to people like that in social circles. At the same time, someone with zero charisma is the opposite, people aren't drawn to someone like that. Is that really that hard to understand, or do we now need to break down the definitions for 'socially' and 'attractive'.

 

[El Bastardo]

Hey man, the Reapers are going to do to Earth what Lexington Steele does to little white girls.

I'm staying the **** away from that action. So yes. Fighting about this.

 

[Havok83]

the reapers are on the way and you're all fighting about this?!

 

[Wolvieboy17]

the reapers are on the way and you're all fighting about this?!

Hey, if the Reapers had a little more charisma, then we'd just GIVE them Earth :P

 

[Donut]

the reapers are on the way and you're all fighting about this?!

I am pretty sure that we last saw them arrive in orbit over Earth Or in our Galaxy at least

 

[ProjectPat2280]

the reapers are on the way and you're all fighting about this?!

lol.

 

[BlackLantern]

You have such deep insight.

not as deep as the Reapers are going to get in Earths behind

 

[El Bastardo]

Are you kidding? Thats exactly what charisma is..... Someone who is very charismatic will be more socially attractive to others, that is to say, people are drawn to people like that in social circles. At the same time, someone with zero charisma is the opposite, people aren't drawn to someone like that. Is that really that hard to understand, or do we now need to break down the definitions for 'socially' and 'attractive'.

First, as has already been identified, "socially attractive" is very subjective, based on the society, based on the person. What is socially attractive to me is not necessarily the case for you. I might hate everything about Bill Clinton, but I wouldn't argue that the man's ridiculously charismatic. No, Clinton has plenty of charisma, but he's not socially attractive to everyone.

Such is the problem with attempting to define by subjective terms.

Charisma is very much the asserting of oneself. The charismatic person can be charming, yes, and please a great deal of people and make them happy and fuzzy inside and he or she will be wonderfully socially attractive to everyone. The charismatic person can also attain it through any variance of presence - stature or appearance, let's say - that leaves no question that such a person is a leader of people. And charisma can also come through something as simple as a title - president, king, queen, emperor, jarl, einherjar, etc.

Charisma = the ability to inspire and/or influence, and being "socially attractive" does not need to enter the equation.

 

[El Bastardo]

not as deep as the Reapers are going to get in Earths behind

You should find some way to write out all the monster sounds they'd add into those videos.