Mass Effect 3 - - - Part 12

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You know, I really liked Kai Leng, he made a servicable lackey for the Illusive Man, but....I dunno, he was just that, a lackey. He seems to hate Shepard with an absolute passion for no real reason at all. I think it would've been really cool if my theory about him came to pass (he is the Virmire survivor, recovered and warped by the Illusive Man). Would've taken him from just a typical henchman to one of the coolest villains of the franchise, IMO.
 
You know, I really liked Kai Leng, he made a servicable lackey for the Illusive Man, but....I dunno, he was just that, a lackey. He seems to hate Shepard with an absolute passion for no real reason at all. I think it would've been really cool if my theory about him came to pass (he is the Virmire survivor, recovered and warped by the Illusive Man). Would've taken him from just a typical henchman to one of the coolest villains of the franchise, IMO.

Eh, Bioware just shoehorned him in as fan service to those who'd read the books (I personally hadn't). There wasn't much they could do with him.
 
I think it would've been really cool if my theory about him came to pass (he is the Virmire survivor, recovered and warped by the Illusive Man).

"Yes sir -we've recovered the remains,"

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Not to mention that would have been an impressive change for Ashley. :p

I liked Lang though, granted he's mainly the physical manifestation of Illusive Man's will, but as I understand it his characterization in the books is that he's a total racist sociopath so I think they did right by him. I got that sense of a person that was mainly looking for excuses to kill and I could see him latching onto Shepard merely out of the idea that Shepard's a better killer than he is - and I think he stands out in a sea of morally ambiguous villains. Sometimes simple can be effective and I certainly hit the hell out of the right trigger when it came up:


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Anywho, its already up on YouTube but people were asking so BW threw up the extended cut soundtrack up for download:

http://social.bioware.com/me3ecsoundtrack.php
 
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You know, I really liked Kai Leng, he made a servicable lackey for the Illusive Man, but....I dunno, he was just that, a lackey. He seems to hate Shepard with an absolute passion for no real reason at all. I think it would've been really cool if my theory about him came to pass (he is the Virmire survivor, recovered and warped by the Illusive Man). Would've taken him from just a typical henchman to one of the coolest villains of the franchise, IMO.
I couldnt stand him. He was highly irritating
 
He seemed like a cheap Raiden Knock-off to me and had too much of that Anime flair, I thought the game didn't need.
 
Finally played the Extended Cut dlc and it was definitely a major improvement over the (awful) original ending. The reason why your squad members wasn't with Shepard works for me. Even though, I find it a bit weird that the Normandy arrived so quickly and that it wasn't shot at by Harbinger, the whole scene was so beautiful & well done it hardly matters, especially if you had your LI with you. Overall, I was pleased by the expanded ending and I appreciate that Bioware made those changes.
 
Even though, I find it a bit weird that the Normandy arrived so quickly and that it wasn't shot at by Harbinger,

If you'll remember Hackett ordered whatever ships were available to do what they could to slow down the Reaper reinforcements so that the Normandy would be nearby when Harbinger touched down isn't out of the question.

As for not getting shot at, I think he was just busy stopping the infantry charge on the beam. The Normandy doesn't pose a threat so I imagine he rated it pretty low on his list of targets.

On the low EMS charge you can see Harbinger's being a lot more thorough about picking off stragglers and the like and that he just has less to deal with in general.
 
Too bad the Indoctrination Theory wasn't true. Just for a moment, when I refused all choices and Spacebrat went "SO BE IT!" in that menacing voice, I thought that's the moment Shepard would break free, but the Cycle just continued.
 
Meh - personally I'm glad indoc theory is pretty much dead.

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http://blog.bioware.com/2012/07/05/bioware-coming-to-the-2012-san-diego-comic-con/

"We will once again have the BioWare Base at the Gaslamp Hilton for all fans to visit (you do not need a badge for entry) with stations to play Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer including the next upcoming multiplayer DLC. Members of the Mass Effect 3 development team & community team will be available to play MP, trade tips, talk BioWare, and sign autographs. Bring your games, novels, etc for signings."

Sounds like the Earth MP leak was accurate. That's in addition to the ME panel that they're having on Saturday.
 
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Ending aside, the final mission is so bad....so typical. Especially when compared to the suicide mission of ME2. It is really a shame that the final mission of the trilogy, which should be the best is the worst of the game. Especially when you consider how great everything before is.
 
Yeah. This was the send off, the final battle to decide the fate of the Galaxy, and it was so uninspired. ME2's Final Mission remains the best in the series.
 
So I just finished playing through the Extended Cut myself and actually conversed with the Catalyst rather than just skimming through via YouTube. My final thoughts are this....

Star Child, still ridiculous, but I suppose his logic makes more sense. The Reapers are a very crude version of Synthesis (which seems to be his ideal solution). He harvests advanced civilizations and makes them into a synthetic/organic hybrid (the Reapers). Of course, it is all ass backward Master Mold-esque logic and I am glad that Shepard calls him on it. I'd still like a refuse/win ending because I think all of the endings still suck. We're given the choice between all life dying, becoming some weird, God-like creature (that is just begging to go insane and kill everyone), commit mass eugenic experiments on an unwilling galaxy or commit genocide of billions to end the war. All endings suck. A refuse/win needs to happen at some point.
 
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becoming some weird, God-like creature (that is just begging to go insane and kill everyone)

Reaper Shepard is not going to go "bad" if its Paragon Shep. Its got shackles and restrictions on the way it performs its duties that the Catalyst lacked in the form of moral values. That is to say: all life deserves the right to self determinate, murder is wrong, selflessness is a virtue to aspire to etc.

The Renegade-based Reaper Shep has a different speech for a reason - there's your evil AI ending.
 
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Haha, renegade has a different ending?
 
If you'll remember Hackett ordered whatever ships were available to do what they could to slow down the Reaper reinforcements so that the Normandy would be nearby when Harbinger touched down isn't out of the question.

As for not getting shot at, I think he was just busy stopping the infantry charge on the beam. The Normandy doesn't pose a threat so I imagine he rated it pretty low on his list of targets.

On the low EMS charge you can see Harbinger's being a lot more thorough about picking off stragglers and the like and that he just has less to deal with in general.

Ah, ok. That makes sense. :up:
 
Haha, renegade has a different ending?

The Renegade Control results with the new Shepard AI making plain his intent to instill a dictatorship and remake the galaxy as he sees fit.
 
:hehe: I see. The endings still suck. :oldrazz:
 
But all things aside - as far my ending is concerned (Control/Paragon) I really did feel like the EC left me with a fundamentally different conclusion to the series than what I was initially given.

The only real factual takeaways from the original end was:

Something
happens to Shepard and he takes control of the Reapers, the Reapers go somewhere, the Mass Relays are totally destroyed, the Normandy gets stranded and people are still alive at some undetermined point in the future.

My new ending:

A new AI is formed around Shepard's memories and moral values, the Reapers become a force for good helping to rebuild the galaxy that they nearly destroyed, the Mass Relays are repaired and galactic civilization is saved. The ME universe retains its dynamism with some interesting new wrinkles. The Normandy crew is able to pay its respects to their fallen commander and rejoin the galaxy at large and a new era of peace and stability begins - and all it cost was the self-sacrifice of 1 man.

I think that represents a pretty serious and significant shift in the what the endings were as opposed to what they are now.

Yes, there are still issues with the finale, certainly. The kid is still there and the final Earth level is underwhelming and those admittedly are disappointing, but in terms of what they did to change and improve the ending BW certainly did right by me.

Overall, I was satisfied and pleased for the first time in 3 months.
 
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I just replayed the last section of the game and chose Control this time. Might be my favorite ending. EDI and the Geth still live, no stupid Synthesis magic was forced on anyone and everything gets rebuild. When I saw all those Reapers rebuild the Relays, this immediately popped back into my head. :D

 
I like the concept behind Control, I suppose, but it is still society advancing on someone elses' terms which seems to be the cautionary tale of the whole franchise. It is what led to the creation of the Reapers, it is what led to each cycle being devoured (the second a species joined the Citadel and accepted the Reaper technology, they signed their death warrants). Shepard talks about using the Reapers to give freedom, but in reality, he simply makes the universe evolve at his whim now, rather than that of the Star Child. Therefore I prefer destroy, but I ultimately cannot bring myself to pick it because it means the death of billions and removing some of the most interesting characters from the entire ME universe.
 
Do you have a Renegade Shep? Because on my Destroy Ending, there was destruction, but everything got eventually rebuild and my crew was alive and well. Only sucked that EDI and the Geth were gone.

Still wish there would have been more options. My ideal option would have been Shepard taking control of the Reapers and flying them all directly into the nearest Sun. Or disappearing back into Dark Space, or whatever they called it, only to reappear when **** hits the fan and to tell everyone to cool the hell down.
 
This is all going to be from the Paragon perspective since Renegade Control does result in what you're proposing, Matt:

You're right that in taking on Control, Shepard is taking on an immense amount of power onto his shoulders but Shepard continually makes those decisions throughout the game.

He
decides the future of the Krogan, he decides whether the Geth die, the Quarians die or neither. Whether he intended to or not Shepard is already shaping the fate of the galaxy.

There's something Coats (the british sniper) says to Shepard that I think ties nicely into all of this when Shepard expresses the belief that he's still just a soldier and Coats tells him that while he may see himself that way he is not.

There was a line in the new Avengers flick where Tony Stark expresses the idea that power is a terrible privilege - that's kind of how I see Paragon Shep's relationship to the Reapers, that by being here, being the one who made his way to this moment and to this decision he has taken it upon himself to wield that privilege and more importantly wield it responsibly, so that as the new Shepard AI states "every race can have a voice in its own future," to not turn into the tyrant that Illusive Man or Renegade Shepard would have become.

I think Control is the ending where Shepard trusts in the strength of who he is to win the day.


Or disappearing back into Dark Space, or whatever they called it, only to reappear when **** hits the fan and to tell everyone to cool the hell down.

I think there's enough room for you to imagine that this is what Shepard does with the Reapers. Obviously they'll be around during the reconstruction phase but there's nothing to say that afterwards he doesn't retreat from galactic space to return only in cases of cataclysm or disaster.
 
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Do you have a Renegade Shep? Because on my Destroy Ending, there was destruction, but everything got eventually rebuild and my crew was alive and well. Only sucked that EDI and the Geth were gone.

Still wish there would have been more options. My ideal option would have been Shepard taking control of the Reapers and flying them all directly into the nearest Sun. Or disappearing back into Dark Space, or whatever they called it, only to reappear when **** hits the fan and to tell everyone to cool the hell down.

When I say death of billions, I am talking about the Geth.

This is all going to be from the Paragon perspective since Renegade Control does result in what you're proposing, Matt:

You're right that in taking on Control, Shepard is taking on an immense amount of power onto his shoulders but Shepard continually makes those decisions throughout the game.

He
decides the future of the Krogan, he decides whether the Geth die, the Quarians die or neither. Whether he intended to or not Shepard is already shaping the fate of the galaxy.

There's something Coats (the british sniper) says to Shepard that I think ties nicely into all of this when Shepard expresses the belief that he's still just a soldier and Coats tells him that while he may see himself that way he is not.

There was a line in the new Avengers flick where Tony Stark expresses the idea that power is a terrible privilege - that's kind of how I see Paragon Shep's relationship to the Reapers, that by being here, being the one who made his way to this moment and to this decision he has taken it upon himself to wield that privilege and more importantly wield it responsibly, so that as the new Shepard AI states "every race can have a voice in its own future," to not turn into the tyrant that Illusive Man or Renegade Shepard would have become.

I think Control is the ending where Shepard trusts in the strength of who he is to win the day.

But he is still determining their technological advancement which will ultimately shape their evolution. Plus, the idea of a Reaper ensured peace is faulty. It isn't true peace, it is fear of the giant robots blasting you out of the sky. A benevolent dictator is an oxymoron. All actions will be influenced by him, whether people admit it or not. It is essentially the episode of the Twilight Zone with the kid who can blink people out of existence. Everyone acts happy, but only because they live in fear. I agree with Nathan, Shepard should've rebuilt the relays and then just taken the Reapers back into dark space.
 
Like I said there is enough left open in the ending where this is just what happens and Shepard keeps the Reapers out of everyone's daily affairs. Regardless, that P!Shepard expresses an interest in allowing the races of the galaxy to create their own future expresses a hands-off approach.

Again, nearly all of the concerns you are expressing are pretty much outright stated in the Renegade/Control variant as what is about to go down.
 
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