Mass Effect 3 - Part 2

[PWN3R]

Why wouldn't the film be canon?

The way I see it, as most of you have already said, the only version of the story that matters, that's canon, is yours.

Obviously a movie couldn't do that. Yet, I still want to see a version of Shepard. She/He won't be mine, but it'd be interesting none the less. I'm sorry. I'll shut up now.

 

[Master Chief]

...whaaaat were we talkin about?

 

[Benstamania]

Batman in film =/= Batman in comics. They can come close (Nolan) but they're always viewed in a different universe. Same should be done for any Mass Effect movie.

Shepard or no Shepard unless they take the whole "Descendant" of Shepard thing I talked about earlier. Could be a way to fit it in with already established storyline, while branching out and having the Shepard name in it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Batman in film =/= Batman in comics. They can come close (Nolan) but they're always viewed in a different universe. Same should be done for any Mass Effect movie.

Not really the same thing. We're talking about adapting a specific story in ME, and not a broad general character with 70+ years of serialized stories and history. Not to mention Batman is an actual character with traits and certain characterizations that's attributed to him that Shepard doesn't have at its base. Nolan was adapting the character of Batman as much, if not more, than the 'story' of Batman, which superheroes lend themselves out to quite a lot more naturally than other things, I think.

 

[Benstamania]

I knew you'd reply with "Batman is an established Character", lol.

I know you think the argument of doing certain story elements for the GA is a poor one... but that's Hollywood. If we get a Mass Effect movie it will probably have Shepard and will probably retell the events that we've done in the game. That's just how they role.. IF it's a full length feature film.

Kind of like no matter how many times we see Spider-Man's (or... any super heroes origin) on film we'll see it again and again because there may be ONE person in the audience that doesn't know how Peter Parker became Spider-Man.

I half expected it to be some form of Animated movie though that's a straight to DVD/BluRay/Netflix release. For some reason... I can't imagine Legendary Pictures, out of all the studios out there getting handed the ME movie reigns.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I knew you'd reply with "Batman is an established Character", lol.

Well, not so much the fact that he's an established character, but so much that he's one with broad and general history and an actual character.

I know you think the argument of doing certain story elements for the GA is a poor one... but that's Hollywood. If we get a Mass Effect movie it will probably have Shepard and will probably retell the events that we've done in the game. That's just how they role.. IF it's a full length feature film.

Kind of like no matter how many times we see Spider-Man's (or... any super heroes origin) on film we'll see it again and again because there may be ONE person in the audience that doesn't know how Peter Parker became Spider-Man.

I half expected it to be some form of Animated movie though that's a straight to DVD/BluRay/Netflix release. For some reason... I can't imagine Legendary Pictures, out of all the companies out there getting handed the ME movie reigns.

It's not so much that it's a poor argument as much as it's an argument that goes so much both ways it doesn't really do either side any good to argue it. You say that it's a good thing since the GA is unfamiliar with the ME story so that's good for a more direct retelling to justify your point, and I counter by saying that their lack of knowledge gives a lot more freedom to do something different and enhance the franchise as a whole without retreading to justify my point. It's just kind of a superficial non-point, I think.

Though, I don't think that's why we see Spider-Man over and over. I think we see him over and over because he's one of the most marketable characters in the world and people want to see him over and over.

 

[Benstamania]

I don't think it's a good idea... It's just what Hollywood does. It's their creed.

I have no problem seeing Spider-Man films (unless they're Spidey 2 and 3) over and over... but for once I just wish a super hero film would assume we knew how a character came to be.

 

[Master Chief]

Batman in film =/= Batman in comics. They can come close (Nolan) but they're always viewed in a different universe. Same should be done for any Mass Effect movie.

Which is why Shepard should not be in the movie!

Am I typing in a different language or something? The main reason I have a problem: Seeing Shepard doing s**t I wouldn't do in a movie would be like having Batman running around killing criminals or having Scott Pilgrim turn down Knives and Ramona to be with Wallace.

Anyone who doesn't feel that way is crazy to me so whatevs. At least Hudson is on board so it should be rad regardless. Legendary Pictures is probably the only studio who would allow him to have a hand in the creative process hahah.

edit: Also, unlike other adapted franchises the Mass Effect universe is rich enough to support other narratives.

 

[PWN3R]

Anyone who doesn't feel that way is crazy to me so whatevs.

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[Benstamania]

Which is why Shepard should not be in the movie!

Am I typing in a different language or something? The main reason I have a problem: Seeing Shepard doing s**t I wouldn't do in a movie would be like having Batman running around killing criminals or having Scott Pilgrim turn down Knives and Ramona to be with Wallace.

Anyone who doesn't feel that way is crazy to me so whatevs. At least Hudson is on board so it should be rad regardless. Legendary Pictures is probably the only studio who would allow him to have a hand in the creative process hahah.

edit: Also, unlike other adapted franchises the Mass Effect universe is rich enough to support other narratives.

Shepard, whether he has a "set in stone background/or gender" or not is the flagship hero of the series. All Hollywood needs is a name, seriously.

Hollywoods easiest way to make money here is to do the story of Mass Effect 1. Could they think outside the box and give us a brand new story set in the same Universe? Sure... That's giving them FAR to much credit though.

 

[Master Chief]

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hahah that's my jam!!

Shepard, whether he has a "set in stone background/or gender" or not is the flagship hero of the series. All Hollywood needs is a name, seriously.

Hollywoods easiest way to make money here is to do the story of Mass Effect 1. Could they think outside the box and give us a brand new story set in the same Universe? Sure... That's giving them FAR to much credit though.

Yea, Hollywood f**ks up for the big bucks. But this already isn't a typical Hollywood cash-in given that three executive producers are from Bioware.

 

[Tron Bonne]

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That's just inaccurate. Everyone singing it here knew exactly what it was

 

[X Knight]

the reason why I don't want the movie to focus on or star Shepard is this........

unlike other characters like Batman and Superman or other video game characters like Lara Croft, Kratos, the Belmonts from Castlevania games, Link, etc., Shepard is NOT a fixed/defined character that we the players merely control. We actually get to define our Shepard right down to his/her looks.

If they make a Tomb Raider movie, I definitely want Lara Croft to be the star. Or Link and Zelda in a Legend of Zelda movie. Or Kratos in a God of War movie.

But for a Mass Effect movie, I'm not sure if I would want Shepard to be the star. Because, deep down, I'd be comparing movie Shepard to MY Shepard(s).

And that's because Shepard is, for the most part, a player-defined character.

Same thing if they made a Dragon Age movie that starred the Warden or Hawke.

 

[El Bastardo]

Shepard, whether he has a "set in stone background/or gender" or not is the flagship hero of the series.

No. Shepard is the flagship hero of the trilogy. Even BioWare has stated this multiple times, that Mass Effect as a franchise will go beyond Shepard's character, and that Shepard is not core to the franchise but the (initial) trilogy is his story.

There is no reason Shepard need be in a movie, just like Shepard is in none of the books outside of genderless mentionings, and similarly in the first comic mini-series which starred Liara.

 

[X Knight]

No. Shepard is the flagship hero of the trilogy. Even BioWare has stated this multiple times, that Mass Effect as a franchise will go beyond Shepard's character, and that Shepard is not core to the franchise but the (initial) trilogy is his story.

There is no reason Shepard need be in a movie, just like Shepard is in none of the books outside of genderless mentionings, and similarly in the first comic mini-series which starred Liara.

^agreed.

and the movie would be a great way to explore the ME universe outside of the games.

I'd love for them to do a movie focusing on the discovery of the ME technology, the First Contact Wars, etc.

of course, they could do a movie starring Tali and I'd be happy........

Tali

 

[Benstamania]

Seriously,

Hollywood is afraid of new ideas... even if they're new ideas set in the Mass Effect Universe.

Sure Bioware says Mass Effect isn't just about Shepard (I know this, I'm fine with it. The books are great, I'm all for a new set of character for ME4) but I would not be shocked to see Hollywood making a Mass Effect 1 film staring a male Commander Shepard.

I've already explained why... but I'll do it again...

Male Shepard is on the box art. Yes, I know that female Shep will be on reverse side of ME3 boxart and I know she's getting her own trailer later on down the line, but up until recently all marketing has been MaleShep. That's all Hollywood needs is current marketing... Is that fair in a game that allows you to customize your Shepard any which way you want? No... But most companies know that, more often than not, a male lead character = more money than a female lead..

Which leads me to Hollywood casting a Male Shepard (if Shepard is in the film..) because Males in Hollywood are believed to bring in more box office money...

Why? I have no idea...

I know that others here are viewed as "the voice of reason" but I honestly don't think I'm being radical. It's just how Hollywood works. Sure, Bioware guys are involved with development... Great... That doesn't mean anything. They can give input, they can advise against doing a movie based off of the first game, they can even write a script themselves... Doesn't mean that anyone will listen to them.

I can see Hollywood believing that a Mass Effect movie based off the first game could bring them the most money. Do I agree with that? No. I myself wouldn't mind seeing another part of the Mass Effect Universe, in fact, I think I would prefer it... but again, this is Hollywood we're talking about.

There are those of us who understand a ME movie NOT based on the current game series would be best... but there are also those out there that would be insanely ticked that the ME movie could go "to far off of established canon" or whatever. I've seen some fans (other boards) rage about the possibility of this movie attempting to do ME1...But at the same time they rage about it doing something different because they don't want another Resident Evil...

I hope I'm wrong... I do. I wouldn't mind seeing a film about the First Contact Wars, or what about a film that was about the origins of the Illusive Man? Maybe a film set in the far off future? Maybe a film about a young Anderson and his time spent as a soldier?

I'd also be all for a completely NEW story... something with no characters that are related to any other character in the current ME Universe. A cast full of unknowns that could give us a new Star Wars.

...I just don't see that happening. I see a lot of upset people (there already are) due to whats going on with the film and I see Hollywood not really caring because it could possibly make them millions.

There's really not much more I can say. Some of you will think I'm absolutely wrong, or that I make no sense... or whatever else. That's ok... I've said all I have to say on the movie and I won't say a single word more about it until more is known.

 

[X Knight]

Seriously,

Hollywood is afraid of new ideas... even if they're new ideas set in the Mass Effect Universe.

Sure Bioware says Mass Effect isn't just about Shepard (I know this, I'm fine with it. The books are great, I'm all for a new set of character for ME4) but I would not be shocked to see Hollywood making a Mass Effect 1 film staring a male Commander Shepard.

I've already explained why... but I'll do it again...

Male Shepard is on the box art. Yes, I know that female Shep will be on reverse side of ME3 boxart and I know she's getting her own trailer later on down the line, but up until recently all marketing has been MaleShep. That's all Hollywood needs is current marketing... Is that fair in a game that allows you to customize your Shepard any which way you want? No... But most companies know that, more often than not, a male lead character = more money than a female lead..

Which leads me to Hollywood casting a Male Shepard (if Shepard is in the film..) because Males in Hollywood are believed to bring in more box office money...

Why? I have no idea...

I know that others here are viewed as "the voice of reason" but I honestly don't think I'm being radical. It's just how Hollywood works. Sure, Bioware guys are involved with development... Great... That doesn't mean anything. They can give input, they can advise against doing a movie based off of the first game, they can even write a script themselves... Doesn't mean that anyone will listen to them.

I can see Hollywood believing that a Mass Effect movie based off the first game could bring them the most money. Do I agree with that? No. I myself wouldn't mind seeing another part of the Mass Effect Universe, in fact, I think I would prefer it... but again, this is Hollywood we're talking about.

There are those of us who understand a ME movie NOT based on the current game series would be best... but there are also those out there that would be insanely ticked that the ME movie could go "to far off of established canon" or whatever. I've seen some fans (other boards) rage about the possibility of this movie attempting to do ME1...But at the same time they rage about it doing something different because they don't want another Resident Evil...

I hope I'm wrong... I do. I wouldn't mind seeing a film about the First Contact Wars, or what about a film that was about the origins of the Illusive Man? Maybe a film set in the far off future? Maybe a film about a young Anderson and his time spent as a soldier?

I'd also be all for a completely NEW story... something with no characters that are related to any other character in the current ME Universe. A cast full of unknowns that could give us a new Star Wars.

...I just don't see that happening. I see a lot of upset people (there already are) due to whats going on with the film and I see Hollywood not really caring because it could possibly make them millions.

There's really not much more I can say. Some of you will think I'm absolutely wrong, or that I make no sense... or whatever else. That's ok... I've said all I have to say on the movie and I won't say a single word more about it until more is known.

I see your point. I hope it doesn't come to that. But, as you said.....this is Hollywood, so who knows........

only time will tell, I guess........

 

[Tron Bonne]

Seriously,

Hollywood is afraid of new ideas... even if they're new ideas set in the Mass Effect Universe.

Sure Bioware says Mass Effect isn't just about Shepard (I know this, I'm fine with it. The books are great, I'm all for a new set of character for ME4) but I would not be shocked to see Hollywood making a Mass Effect 1 film staring a male Commander Shepard.

I've already explained why... but I'll do it again...

Male Shepard is on the box art. Yes, I know that female Shep will be on reverse side of ME3 boxart and I know she's getting her own trailer later on down the line, but up until recently all marketing has been MaleShep. That's all Hollywood needs is current marketing... Is that fair in a game that allows you to customize your Shepard any which way you want? No... But most companies know that, more often than not, a male lead character = more money than a female lead..

Which leads me to Hollywood casting a Male Shepard (if Shepard is in the film..) because Males in Hollywood are believed to bring in more box office money...

Why? I have no idea...

I know that others here are viewed as "the voice of reason" but I honestly don't think I'm being radical. It's just how Hollywood works. Sure, Bioware guys are involved with development... Great... That doesn't mean anything. They can give input, they can advise against doing a movie based off of the first game, they can even write a script themselves... Doesn't mean that anyone will listen to them.

I can see Hollywood believing that a Mass Effect movie based off the first game could bring them the most money. Do I agree with that? No. I myself wouldn't mind seeing another part of the Mass Effect Universe, in fact, I think I would prefer it... but again, this is Hollywood we're talking about.

There are those of us who understand a ME movie NOT based on the current game series would be best... but there are also those out there that would be insanely ticked that the ME movie could go "to far off of established canon" or whatever. I've seen some fans (other boards) rage about the possibility of this movie attempting to do ME1...But at the same time they rage about it doing something different because they don't want another Resident Evil...

I hope I'm wrong... I do. I wouldn't mind seeing a film about the First Contact Wars, or what about a film that was about the origins of the Illusive Man? Maybe a film set in the far off future? Maybe a film about a young Anderson and his time spent as a soldier?

I'd also be all for a completely NEW story... something with no characters that are related to any other character in the current ME Universe. A cast full of unknowns that could give us a new Star Wars.

...I just don't see that happening. I see a lot of upset people (there already are) due to whats going on with the film and I see Hollywood not really caring because it could possibly make them millions.

There's really not much more I can say. Some of you will think I'm absolutely wrong, or that I make no sense... or whatever else. That's ok... I've said all I have to say on the movie and I won't say a single word more about it until more is known.

A lot of this valid and all, but you're whole thing is just arguing the fatalist viewpoint that Hollywood is most likely going to do it this way, so that's how it is. Well, I think I speak for most of the others who've argued that we're aware of this. It's not about what Hollywood will probably do, but what it should do, and why. I really don't think anyone is under the impression they're changing the scope of Hollywood arguing on these boards, nor do I think most of them are totally and completely ignorant to Hollywood's working. I mean, really, if you're going to go at stuff with this kind of logic, you more or less void just about any conversation/argument about a franchise's direction, because with most stuff about 95% of the time, it's obvious what companies of any medium are going to do with their properties.

http://www.newsarama.com/games/mass-effect-crabcat-live-action-110711.html

Anyway, here's some live action trailer or something.

 

[Master Chief]

siiick, I wish they had a biotic toss a husk but that was pretty cool hahah.

 

[El Bastardo]

I don't know if I'd agree that some amorphous entity collectively known as "Hollywood" is afraid of new ideas. I think that statement is too strong and a little bit misleading, because if all the studios were afraid of new ideas, we would not have seen much what we have seen.

Although how much I disagree depends on what time frame we're talking about.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I assume when anyone says Hollywood they generally mean the mainstream studios of the industry. I don't know; I about halfway agree with that. Maybe not afraid of new ideas per say, but I do think most of the mainstream studios are resistant to them to some degree, because it's all about finding what works and leaning on that for as long as it's profitable. True of any industry's mainstream stuff, though, I guess.

 

[El Bastardo]

Certainly. That's why I stated "afraid" was too strong.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

A friend gifted me the PC versions of ME1 and ME2 over the weekend via Steam.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

http://www.couchathletics.com/content/mass-effect-generations-star-trek

 

[Spider-Vader]

I can understand the argument about a movie possibly not being able to adapt the series's epic story, but I don't get the Shepard argument. I really wouldn't care, since I know my love interest wouldn't make it to the big screen (No Shepard/Tali ). Though, I might be bias since I used default Shepard & played him like a true hero.