Mass Effect 3 - Part 5

[El Bastardo]

well Not all of them are like that. but yeah some of them( sessler and whom ever it is depending ) are like that. But the whole point is it's all opinion in the end.

And what matter in the end is your own , if you agree with them or not.but in some case there are reviewers that are actually trying to make sure that aren't any bad games being bought just by warning you.

No, reviews are not about opinons.

And the example CBB used is a perfect example of why they are not.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Another thing to do is make sure that you are nearly out of fuel

Does that actually matter?

 

[Soapy]

No, reviews are not about opinions.

Enlighten me, what are reviews about?

 

[Reek]

the let down in ME2's ending for me was how short the suicide mission was. i expected it to take a good hour. it takes maybe 25 minutes.

 

[Master Chief]

I remember reading a review, and I think also hearing a reviewer say on a podcast, that the "Giant Terminator" and the finale nearly made him subtract an entire point from the overall review score.

Personally, I think that's insane. But, it was something I remember people complaining about when ME2 came out. It's something that helps me put into perspective when I hear some people have been letdown with the leaked stuff for ME3. Because, there were people who felt the same way about ME2.

I heard about how people were disappointed in the endings so I checked out the Bioware spoiler forum yesterday. Got the gist of all the endings and yeah... the ME2 ending was fine for what it was; if these are really the only endings for ME3 they're f**king bulls**t.

I'm happy I spoiled myself because if I didn't know what was heading my way I'd be way more pissed to find out that's it. A journey isn't always about the destination but FFS it is terrible that they shoehorn everybody into the same ending with a couple variables.

 

[El Bastardo]

Enlighten me, what are reviews about?

Let us consult dictionary.com here. Definition numero uno, quoted: "a critical article or report, as in a periodical, on a book, play, recital, or the like; critique; evaluation."

Such things do not involve opinion. The use of opinion - the use of "like" or "dislike" or "don't like," within the body of such a text - is a detriment to and lessens the objective worth of the text. Quite frankly, it doesn't matter in a review, much less any type literary-esque discussion, who liked this and didn't like that.

And again, the example CBB cited - the idea that someone would arbitrarily sap a point from a rating of value for ME2 on the basis that the final boss was "lolstupid," or what have you, is the epitome of that kind of suck.

 

[ProjectPat2280]

You need to send that definition to EVERY reviewer then, because they obviously are a bit confused. Reviews boil down to rather or not the reviewer liked the game. That's it.

 

[Master Chief]

It goes beyond that though, any reviewer worth reading factors in game design from an objective POV.

 

[zenith16]

Their not always objective and most Reveiwers act the way pat just mentioned . and I know I've seen them state they do put their own opinion into their reviews in their own forums. Hell , I've seen one where a poster that flipped out on one reviewer's review over the dynasty worriers game always getting low scores and the reviewer explained to them why and opinion was a major part of it next to the actual problem of the games short comings which were on the spot when cited.


Ether way it just means El bastardo needs to re- edumacate(not a word I know) them.

Good luck.

 

[Soapy]

Being "objective" is overrated in my opinion. I don't want game critics to tiptoe around their real opinions, their real opinion on the game is exactly what I want.

Bastard, serious question: Do you have asperger's?

 

[El Bastardo]

It goes beyond that though, any reviewer worth reading factors in game design from an objective POV.

This. Master Chief gets it.

Being "objective" is overrated in my opinion. I don't want game critics to tiptoe around their real opinions, their real opinion on the game is exactly what I want.

Bastard, serious question: Do you have asperger's?

I'm not sure I want to know why you're asking, or even how you think it might make sense, but no.

 

[Spider-Vader]

God, I'm going to have avoid the internet until I get the game don't I? Which sucks because I don't get it until next Saturday.

 

[El Bastardo]

I bumped into a bunch of spoilers between today and yesterday that I'm doing my best to make myself forget.

 

[Master Chief]

Their not always objective and most Reveiwers act the way pat just mentioned . and I know I've seen them state they do put their own opinion into their reviews in their own forums. Hell , I've seen one where a poster that flipped out on one reviewer's review over the dynasty worriers game always getting low scores and the reviewer explained to them why and opinion was a major part of it next to the actual problem of the games short comings which were on the spot when cited.


Ether way it just means El bastardo needs to re- edumacate(not a word I know) them.

Good luck.

That's why I said any reviewer worth reading.

Being "objective" is overrated in my opinion. I don't want game critics to tiptoe around their real opinions, their real opinion on the game is exactly what I want.

Bastard, serious question: Do you have asperger's?

Meh, I'd rather read about how a game handles technically coz reviews almost never persuade me to buy or not buy something. For the most part I think it's acceptable to interject opinion in a critical piece. However I find it lazy and amateurish if they're basing a numbered score mostly on personal preference and not on the overall product, as the dude who was about to drop a whole point off ME2 did. Then again, he was probably just embellishing.

 

[Iceman]

I agree with that. Reviewing should be a profession requiring skills that not every man on the street has. Objectivity, unbiasedness, sufficient technical knowledge and experience (should be at a level way above that of the average gamer/film watcher) to enable accurately assessing a product's technical merits are all key. When it comes from one of us it's an opinion. The point of a review published by a major body goes beyond that and should be able to tell someone who doesn't play games whether a game is truly technically good. That can always be qualified by the likes of...but it might only be for you if you are into the genre or.. you still won't like it if X or Y.

There's nothing wrong with the reviewer expressing a personal opinion (& it can add plenty & also be what people want to hear) as long as it is made clear that it is that and kept separate from the analysis part of the article. If they can't keep the opinion and analysis separate then they should just do their video game commentary on an internet forum like us as what they have to say carries no more weight than anyone else.

 

[zenith16]

That's why I said any reviewer worth reading.

ahhhhhh I see it's kinda like how I see these two different review. one where the former this
examples

• play video
  Sessler's Soapbox: High Hopes and...
  
  added with this
• February 07, 2012
  • play video
    Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning Video...
    
    February 13, 2012

you can tell from theses it was all about him not digging the game obviously just not his thing and opinon got in the way. as I stated him by name.




and then the latter. Feb 10 - Reviews on the Run - 7

of which I found to be more professional.

 

[imaperson2]

Have you all seen the video of the Citadel? I caved in and watched...looks great!

 

[zenith16]

I didn't . I guess I have greater strength of will. I may be a former news guy and may not complain if it does end up in my line of site. But I know I don't want to spoil that for my self or any one.

 

[BrollySupersj]

Have you all seen the video of the Citadel? I caved in and watched...looks great!

Weren't you jumping ship to avoid spoilers?

 

[imaperson2]

Yes -___- I'm having a hard time doing so. Perhaps I should just get back to being distracted by ME2

 

[Reek]

pretty bad ass on GTTV on spike

 

[Reek]

the citadel video isnt something i consider a spoiler...it just shows new fun areas...spoilers to me would be something you are pissed off to hear. like "hey in ME1 you can kill wrex"

 

[BrollySupersj]

So I took a look at a spoiler video that shows off the gay romance option. It's definitely going to make a lot of fan girls happy.

 

[Master Chief]

I agree with that. Reviewing should be a profession requiring skills that not every man on the street has. Objectivity, unbiasedness, sufficient technical knowledge and experience (should be at a level way above that of the average gamer/film watcher) to enable accurately assessing a product's technical merits are all key. When it comes from one of us it's an opinion. The point of a review published by a major body goes beyond that and should be able to tell someone who doesn't play games whether a game is truly technically good. That can always be qualified by the likes of...but it might only be for you if you are into the genre or.. you still won't like it if X or Y.

There's nothing wrong with the reviewer expressing a personal opinion (& it can add plenty & also be what people want to hear) as long as it is made clear that it is that and kept separate from the analysis part of the article. If they can't keep the opinion and analysis separate then they should just do their video game commentary on an internet forum like us as what they have to say carries no more weight than anyone else.

Yup. We don't call them critics for nothing!

ahhhhhh I see it's kinda like how I see these two different review. one where the former this
examples


of which I found to be more professional.

Good examples.

So I took a look at a spoiler video that shows off the gay romance option. It's definitely going to make a lot of fan girls happy.

Hahah yeah, I skimmed it. Interesting LI option, it'd be cool if there's another like that for straight characters.

 

[Master Chief]

"...if your reputation gets impressive enough, people who would otherwise ignore you are going to take you seriously when you say something like, “I will wipe out your entire species unless you put the gun down.”

http://blog.bioware.com/2012/03/01/reputation-in-mass-effect-3/