MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[SpideyFan866]

It's about an hour away right?

Yup.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I am right that Guardians are going to get disproportionate attention. But they're doing it to illustrate a point, which is a fair point.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Sorry for the double post. But it's pretty clear the Fantastic Four will be mentioned right after the commercial break.

Plus, we already got a mention of the Human Torch. Granted, not that Human Torch, but still.

 

[Mr.M]

More of an MCU love fest, which is understandable. Guess you didn't have time to delve into the really nitty, gritty with a 45 minute special. But that stuff is already well documented. Not cool how they don't really give the other studios credit for launching the superhero boom. That's really what launched this entire thing. You can't talk about Marvel movies and start with Iron Man, because it didn't start there.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, the ball was most definitely already rolling by that point but Iron Man's success put it into orbit.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

any links to the docu?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

the FF are the one that startet the Marvel age of comics, without the First Family, Marvel as we know it, wouldn't exist. of course they will be mentioned

I was very pleased with this special for several reasons:

- Full credit given to Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko while not diminishing Stan Lee's contributions
- A nice feature on how the Fantastic Four pretty much launched the Marvel Age of comics
- Fun history about Goodman and Timely Comics early history during WWII and the creation of the Comics Code
- Did not shy away from discussing the bankruptcy during the 90's and the fallout that resulted

Seemed like a really balanced synopsis of Marvel's past successes and failures and a optimistic, realistic look at where they go from here.

And I have to say I think Agent Carter looks really good!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

More of an MCU love fest, which is understandable. Guess you didn't have time to delve into the really nitty, gritty with a 45 minute special. But that stuff is already well documented. Not cool how they don't really give the other studios credit for launching the superhero boom. That's really what launched this entire thing. You can't talk about Marvel movies and start with Iron Man, because it didn't start there.

It's a Marvel 75th anniversary special, why would they waste time promoting their rivals? It's focused more on the comics rather than the films anyway.

 

[Mr.M]

It's a Marvel 75th anniversary special, why would they waste time promoting their rivals? It's focused more on the comics rather than the films anyway.

Why spend 10 minutes showing clips from Marvel Studio films if it is focused on comics? Just making the point that they wouldn't have started their film studio without the efforts from their rivals. It should have been acknowledged.

 

[marcvader]

Lol This wasnt a doc on cbm history in Hollywood.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Why spend 10 minutes showing clips from Marvel Studio films if it is focused on comics? Just making the point that they wouldn't have started their film studio without the efforts from their rivals. It should have been acknowledged.

It seems to me you're just looking for something to be upset about. Other than the iconic introduction of Superman I didn't hear them talking about DC a whole lot and the undeniable impact that they've had on the industry. It was a documentary on Marvel not their rivals.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Why spend 10 minutes showing clips from Marvel Studio films if it is focused on comics? Just making the point that they wouldn't have started their film studio without the efforts from their rivals. It should have been acknowledged.

Write your congressman, I'm sure he'll address this grievance immediately.

Oy.

 

[Eddie]

Why spend 10 minutes showing clips from Marvel Studio films if it is focused on comics? Just making the point that they wouldn't have started their film studio without the efforts from their rivals. It should have been acknowledged.

It's a documentary about the company. Marvel Studios is a division of that company. Believe it or not, Fox is not a subsidiary of Marvel, thus making it kinda pointless to talk about Fox (or Sony, or New Line, or Lionsgate, etc.).

 

[Human Torch]

Whoever did hair & makeup on Emily VanCamp deserves a lifetime job.She's never looked more fetching.

 

[Loki882]

True but Fox, Sony, and New Line all made movies based off of Marvel characters. And if said movies weren't successful, then there very well wouldn't be a Marvel Studios or MCU at all. People seem to forget that sometimes.

 

[Iceman]

All the studios have contributed significantly to this CBM revival at different stages.

 

[Flint Marko]

Enjoyed the documentary. I actually wished they would have focused a bit more on the MCU, but either way it was just fine. Watched it with some friends and my girlfriend and they actually seemed to enjoy it.
As small as this may sound, the fact that Jarvis is in Agent Carter embodies everything I love about the MCU. It was cool to see the concept taken from Stark's butler in the comics to Stark's A.I. system in his house, but it's even cooler to know that it was based on actual dude.

Haha cool. I'd actually love it if you added the overall MCU franchise total to date after AoU and adjusted it for each new film.

Thats a good idea, I'll definitely do that
We're at about 10 billion and counting right now.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Mike Murdock]

Why spend 10 minutes showing clips from Marvel Studio films if it is focused on comics? Just making the point that they wouldn't have started their film studio without the efforts from their rivals. It should have been acknowledged.

It was about Marvel, not Marvel comics. Obviously, comics are a huge part of it, but the movies are why Marvel is so big today. Makes sense to me to focus on both.

Anyway, this was basically chicken soup - warm, familiar, and comforting. I knew most of what they were talking about, but it was still nice to see such important people talking about it. Glad to see Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby credited as much as they were. You got the Fantastic Four story and about how that changed things. I hadn't realized it was Fantastic Four followed by Hulk. Given how they were doing monster comics, that actually makes some sense.

One thing I noticed was the comics code story was truncated from how it's normally talked about. Part of it was that they were spinning it as Marvel being counter-culture. It's worth mentioning that the story was an anti-drug message (the code refused to publish it because it mentioned drugs at all). It's also worth pointing out that publishing the story without the code's approval led to them modifying the code to tolerate a story like that and then Marvel returned to publishing under the comics code authority for quite awhile before it was finally obsoleted. That meant that characters like Punisher were actually approved by the CCA (although a far more toothless CCA) before they finally abandoned that organization.

I also noticed that Avi Arad was not mentioned for either good or bad. They could have mentioned how selling movie rights to characters helped save Marvel from bankruptcy, but also how they had to then get them back (I think many people think Marvel still had Iron Man when they made the movie. He was clearly not as popular, which made him easier to reacquire, but he still had to be bought back).

 

[Mr.M]

Arad should have been acknowledged. Spiderman 2002 should have been acknowledged. X-Men should have been acknowledged. The entire 90's and late 2000's were glossed over, you know, the actual events that led up to forming the MCU. But you can't dwell on the past I guess.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

It was about Marvel, not Marvel comics. Obviously, comics are a huge part of it, but the movies are why Marvel is so big today. Makes sense to me to focus on both.

Anyway, this was basically chicken soup - warm, familiar, and comforting. I knew most of what they were talking about, but it was still nice to see such important people talking about it. Glad to see Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby credited as much as they were. You got the Fantastic Four story and about how that changed things. I hadn't realized it was Fantastic Four followed by Hulk. Given how they were doing monster comics, that actually makes some sense.

One thing I noticed was the comics code story was truncated from how it's normally talked about. Part of it was that they were spinning it as Marvel being counter-culture. It's worth mentioning that the story was an anti-drug message (the code refused to publish it because it mentioned drugs at all). It's also worth pointing out that publishing the story without the code's approval led to them modifying the code to tolerate a story like that and then Marvel returned to publishing under the comics code authority for quite awhile before it was finally obsoleted. That meant that characters like Punisher were actually approved by the CCA (although a far more toothless CCA) before they finally abandoned that organization.

I also noticed that Avi Arad was not mentioned for either good or bad. They could have mentioned how selling movie rights to characters helped save Marvel from bankruptcy, but also how they had to then get them back (I think many people think Marvel still had Iron Man when they made the movie. He was clearly not as popular, which made him easier to reacquire, but he still had to be bought back).

You make some good points. Regarding the selling off of movie rights for certain characters it seemed to me that they did touch on that. I recall them talking about using the assets to keep the company afloat during the bankruptcy and splitting the characters apart and licensing to other studios to make the films etc. They just didn't go into great detail on what that entailed.

 

[marcvader]

You can dwell on the past. I enjoyed all the comics stuff the most as I'm a Marvel Comics fan first and foremost. The movie stuff was gravy and is why i couldn't give a phuck what was or wasn't "acknowledged" .

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Disappointed in Iris Elba right now. Dude has an ego now that he played Mandela. In the interview where he spilled the beans about a cameo in Age of Ultron, he complains about not wanting to be in a harness for his scenes in Thor The Dark World and feeling silly doing Marvel movies. He also flipped out on the set of Pacific Rim too. I like the guy but why sign up for big budget movies if you hate doing them? Personally, I would love to be apart of Marvel studios in any way, even as a grip or errand boy. Crazy...

 

[Brownbear]

Enjoyed the documentary. I actually wished they would have focused a bit more on the MCU, but either way it was just fine. Watched it with some friends and my girlfriend and they actually seemed to enjoy it.
As small as this may sound, the fact that Jarvis is in Agent Carter embodies everything I love about the MCU. It was cool to see the concept taken from Stark's butler in the comics to Stark's A.I. system in his house, but it's even cooler to know that it was based on actual dude.



Thats a good idea, I'll definitely do that
We're at about 10 billion and counting right now.

My wife fell asleep so she wasnt able to fully see the special lol.
how did your gf enjoy it?

It was really cool. There's a documentary on Netflix regarding comic books. Superhero - the never ending battle you might like it.

 

[Flint Marko]

Disappointed in Iris Elba right now. Dude has an ego now that he played Mandela. In the interview where he spilled the beans about a cameo in Age of Ultron, he complains about not wanting to be in a harness for his scenes in Thor The Dark World and feeling silly doing Marvel movies. He also flipped out on the set of Pacific Rim too. I like the guy but why sign up for big budget movies if you hate doing them? Personally, I would love to be apart of Marvel studios in any way, even as a grip or errand boy. Crazy...

http://screencrush.com/idris-elba-marvel-movies-torture/
Come on man. He should know better by now.
If he keeps running his mouth it wouldn't shock me if he was recast.

My wife fell asleep so she wasnt able to fully see the special lol.
how did your gf enjoy it?

It was really cool. There's a documentary on Netflix regarding comic books. Superhero - the never ending battle you might like it.

She actually enjoyed it, she didn't know any of the stuff they mentioned and thought some of the history of the company was very interesting. She had no idea they went bankrupt so to see them now so dominant as the leading entertainment force in pop culture was interesting for her to see.
And thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out