MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 4

[kedrell]

It's only a problem for some people. There are plenty who don't consider it a problem at all. Count me solidly in the latter group.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It is a problem when it starts causing the films to get bad reviews and declining box office receipts. Sony had a villain problem. Lousy villains like Electro, Dehaan's Goblin, Lizard, Venom, Blackheart, etc. were destroying their movies. Marvel does not have one, at least not yet.

 

[T"Challa]

Yeah, Marvels trump card is the characterization of their heroes. They hire really likeable, charismatic and very good looking people to in habit these roles. As long as they keep doing that, they can get away with having serviceable villains in the movies.

I would like them to at least try to make some legendary big screen villain at some point though. As awesome as Loki is i can never fully hate the guy because Hiddleston is too charasmatic even when he's doing evil s***..lol

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I do think they need to nail Thanos. There is too much building to him. If he is a let down, that would be really disappointing and it could affect Marvel's relationship with the fanbase going forward.

The glimpse in GOTG was great, so I'm optimistic.

 

[ernesth100]

Well the villain problem hasn't effected them so far. So if it ain't broke don't fix it is what I say. Until Thanos, then the FIX IS URGENT.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The difference with Thanos is the hype is so strong and the buildup so long that merely being good or decent probably won't cut it, whereas it normally would.

 

[Flint Marko]

I do think they need to nail Thanos. There is too much building to him. If he is a let down, that would be really disappointing and it could affect Marvel's relationship with the fanbase going forward.

The glimpse in GOTG was great, so I'm optimistic.

I've thought this for a while now. If they don't get Thanos right, it will retroactively paint the rest of their villains in an even worse light for some people I believe.
The constant build up has been amazing, but I really hope they nail it.

 

[T"Challa]

Yeah Thanos needs to be done well. But its going to be pretty difficult. They're already backed into a corner because he's yet another "I wanna destroy the world" type villain who has some random macguffin-ey weapon/ability that gives him unlimited power. Characters like him/Darkseid/Galactus etc are way more difficult to make compelling because their relatability factor is absolute zero compared to guys like Loki/Magneto/Kingin and they're not nearly as idiosyncratic or flashy like the Joker.

I'm looking forward to how Markus and McFeely handle him.

 

[kedrell]

I agree about Thanos. Gotta nail him in IW. I fully expect him to actually emerge the victor of IW1.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I agree about Thanos. Gotta nail him in IW. I fully expect him to actually emerge the victor of IW1.

Thanos definitely needs to win Part 1. I figure it will mostly revolve around him trying to acquire the Mind Stone from Vision, and end with him completing the Gauntlet for the epic showdown in Part 2.

 

[Mike5575]

Thanos definitely needs to win Part 1. I figure it will mostly revolve around him trying to acquire the Mind Stone from Vision, and end with him completing the Gauntlet for the epic showdown in Part 2.

Name one superhero movie that ends in the hero(es) being defeated. The Infinity War movies will be treated as two separate movies as opposed to two parts of a whole. Part 1 may have Thanos sending the Kree to Earth, and The Avengers win.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Name one superhero movie that ends in the hero(es) being defeated.

Watchmen, The Dark Knight

 

[Mjölnir]

Watchmen, The Dark Knight

I don't think the good side lost in The Dark Knight, it was more a mixed thing. The Joker really wanted to show that all of Gotham was really corrupt and while he did manage to corrupt Dent no one got to know about it, and the Joker was flat out wrong on the other part as even the criminal boat was Hollywood goodhearted. And of course he himself got neutralized as well.

Batman sacrificing himself was more the "pay a heavy price to win" to me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've thought this for a while now. If they don't get Thanos right, it will retroactively paint the rest of their villains in an even worse light for some people I believe.
The constant build up has been amazing, but I really hope they nail it.

Definitely, messing Ultron up pissed me off as a fan, but Thanos, is well,Thanos, they simply can't mess him up in my eyes as there would be a lot of fan outrage. The GOTG appearance was decent, but again he was just talked about as this bug threat without actually showing it. They need to show how big a threat he is at some point.

 

[TeeKay]

I'm confident the Russo's will deliver. They managed to make Bucky a badass after all.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Watchmen, The Dark Knight

And I think other blockbusters are applicable too. The cliffhanger downer is fairly common these days for a two-parter. Hobbit, Harry Potter, hell, the Matrix and Empire Strikes Back.

I think the biggest concern is not going to far in the first movie since they will still have a whole other movie to fill.

 

[CB Fan]

I definitely want to see Thanos win in IW1 it would make people HAVE to see IW2 and I would hope that there are no end credit cutscenes just let thanos win have him say something badass and then cut to black.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Name one superhero movie that ends in the hero(es) being defeated. The Infinity War movies will be treated as two separate movies as opposed to two parts of a whole. Part 1 may have Thanos sending the Kree to Earth, and The Avengers win.

Here's your answer:

And I think other blockbusters are applicable too. The cliffhanger downer is fairly common these days for a two-parter. Hobbit, Harry Potter, hell, the Matrix and Empire Strikes Back.

I think the biggest concern is not going to far in the first movie since they will still have a whole other movie to fill.

In my opinion, it would be a HUGe mistake to make them two completely separate movies, while claiming they are "Part 1 and 2". In this case, NOT ending Part 1 on a cliffhanger would be the break from the norm.

 

[OcStat]

The difference here being that there is actually going to be one or two movies released in between Infinity War I and II right? Should be interesting to see how all the pieces fall into place the closer we get.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I'm confident the Russo's will deliver. They managed to make Bucky a badass after all.

True about Bucky. But then I trusted Joss with Ultron and that disappointed me. I blame Marvel as well as Joss, so they may be a factor with Thanos as well. But hopefully not.

 

[Mike5575]

Here's your answer:


In my opinion, it would be a HUGe mistake to make them two completely separate movies, while claiming they are "Part 1 and 2". In this case, NOT ending Part 1 on a cliffhanger would be the break from the norm.

Don't expect a cliffhanger in IW1.

Feige: "But I will say the intention of that is to do two distinct, standalone movies as we do all the time. But because they are such shared elements, it felt appropriate to do [two-parts]. And we hadn't done it before, so we thought it was cool to do sort of sub-groupings like that. I wouldn't call it one story that's cut in half. I would say it's gonna be two distinct movies."

The whole "cliffhanger" assumption is obviously a very popular one, but we really don't know what Marvel has planned. There are lots of cool fan theories, but nothing compared to what Marvel has planned. They are masters at storytelling.

As I said before, have Thanos manipulate the Kree to invade Earth, biding time to collect the remaining Infinity Stones. The Avengers defeat the Kree, but leave behind a Kree spy named Mar-Vell who works for SWORD, alongside Carol Danvers. This would be a smart move in setting up the Captain Marvel movie. Captain Marvel has a complex origin about aliens and cosmic powers. It only makes sense.

Edit: Thanos will likely be doing stuff away from Earth, like wrecking the Guardians and blowing up Xandar.

Iw2 will be Thanos vs Avengers.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Honestly, I wish they had kept the original plan to call them Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War, rather than pt. 1 and 2.

 

[kedrell]

I agree.

 

[Dr. Evil]

So what are the chances this hero ever shows in the MCU?

Spoiler

 

[BarryAllen]

It is funny how Marvel is employing a lot of humor in their movies, when in the comics, they where the more "gritty", world outside your window universe answer to DC's more fantasy based universe.