MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 4

[R_Hythlodeus]

Cho was even hesitant about getting the Mr. Sulu role in Star Trek and asked George Takei if he was alright with a Korean playing a Japanese guy.

that's right. and it wasn't until Takei told Cho about Roddenberry's vision of a Panasian Union that Cho agreed.

In the specific case at hand it has also to do with the availability of half-Vietnamese actresses with the right age, the right look and the acting skills/comedic timing to act against the other cast members. I'm not an expert of the Vietnamese film industry, have only seen Lửa Phật and Thiên Mệnh Anh Hùng in recent years, so if a person that fits the criteria actually exists I wouldn't know. However, MS has one of the finest casting directors (if not the best) and if she decided for a half-Korean instead, there might be reasons for it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

the important thing is more real world actors getting opportunities in their chosen field. What happens in the fictional universe is secondary to that. Why approach this as "There are no Native American superheroes! " and not "Native American performers are **** out of luck in Hollywood! " , for example? Priorities. Empathy.

On a tangent, I dislike the notion that a kid can't have a superhero role model if their skin color is different. Steve Roger's message should resonate with everyone.

 

[Dr. Evil]

the important thing is more real world actors getting opportunities in their chosen field. What happens in the fictional universe is secondary to that. Why approach this as "There are no Native American superheroes! " and not "Native American performers are **** out of luck in Hollywood! " , for example? Priorities. Empathy.

On a tangent, I dislike the notion that a kid can't have a superhero role model if their skin color is different. Steve Roger's message should resonate with everyone.

That is true about Native Americans. Besides, Hollywood can't use Wes Studi all of the time.

 

[MbJ]

the important thing is more real world actors getting opportunities in their chosen field. What happens in the fictional universe is secondary to that. Why approach this as "There are no Native American superheroes! " and not "Native American performers are **** out of luck in Hollywood! " , for example?

Because the MCU is a franchise many people care about and some of them are the same people who also have a problem with the state things for minorities in Hollywood anyway.

Me saying I'd like to see more heroes of color in the MCU doesn't somehow mean I also don't think there needs to be more roles for minorities in general.

On a tangent, I dislike the notion that a kid can't have a superhero role model if their skin color is different. Steve Roger's message should resonate with everyone.

I haven't seen anyone here say that little black or Asian or Hispanic kids aren't allowed to view Captain America as a role model. Merely that it'd be nice if not all the superheroes presented as potential role models for children were overwhelmingly white.

To bring up John Cho again, he's talked about why Mr. Sulu was so important for him and a lot of other Asian Americans. When they were younger, he was literally one of the only heroic Asian guys a lot of them ever saw on TV or in movies.

 

[Dr. Evil]

To bring up John Cho again, he's talked about why Mr. Sulu was so important for him and a lot of other Asian Americans. When they were younger, he was literally one of the only heroic Asian guys a lot of them ever saw on TV or in movies.

This is true. Before that it's been either Asian actors playing bad guy roles or white actors in Yellow face.

Takei has always been a role model for Asian Americans in Hollywood. It was him and James Hong, but Takei is super famous because of Sulu.

If you divided the Asian American down ethnic lines in Hollywood among the East Asians (not including Indians), Vietnamese Americans have the least amount of famous people in Hollywood and yet there have been a ton of movies about the Vietnam War. We basically have Maggie Q, who's only half Vietnamese. Chinese, Japanese and Korean Americans have a lot of actors in Hollywood.

 

[fixxxer]

More often than not, in Hollywood, Pakistani characters are portrayed by Indian actors. An (ethnically) half-Korean/half-alien woman portraying a half-Vietnamese/half-alien woman isn't a big deal to me. Who knows... in the MCU, Mantis might even be half-Korean... or even full-alien, for that matter.

On Agents Of SHIELD, Simon Kassianides (IIRC an actor of Greek descent) played a relatively minor character of Indian descent named Sunil Bakshi. It didn't really bother me since he does (kinda) look Indian and it wasn't something ridiculously offensive... though it would've been interesting to see some horrendous old-school-Hollywood brownface, just for the OMG-ness of it.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I suspect Mantis will be a full alien just because I think they want Peter Quill to be alone out there.

 

[fixxxer]

^

yup, that would be my guess as well. Which would render the half-Korean/half-Vietnamese thing moot.

 

[Endeavor]

To be fair that happens a lot with Caucasians as well.

And latinos, when we actually manage to land an important role.

Pacino isn't hispanic, much less Cuban, but he was still great in Scarface.

I don't see the problem in this as long as they're trying to portray minorities and doing it the right way, not just changing races for PC reasons (like Mandarin).

 

[Loki882]

I think that the problem that many people have with stuff like that is that you're using an explicitly Latino/Caribbean character, and by casting Pacino you're taking that opportunity away from an actual Latino/Caribbean actor who is still waiting for his shot to make it big (and being in a Brian de Palma movie would probably fit that bill). And when such a relatively small number of them even get a shot to do that, much less succeed, it sticks out even more.

I will concede that Pacino was really enjoyable in that movie though. But then again he's one of my favorites and I tend to enjoy him in general.

 

[Endeavor]

I think that the problem that many people have with stuff like that is that you're using an explicitly Latino/Caribbean character, and by casting Pacino you're taking that opportunity away from an actual Latino/Caribbean actor who is still waiting for his shot to make it big (and being in a Brian de Palma movie would probably fit that bill). And when such a relatively small number of them even get a shot to do that, much less succeed, it sticks out even more.

I will concede that Pacino was really enjoyable in that movie though. But then again he's one of my favorites and I tend to enjoy him in general.

And that is a very valid point.
What's not valid? "Pacino isn't dark enough to be Cuban", and similar comments. Those show complete ignorance and miss the point of what a character is about.
Similarly, complaining about a Puerto Rican being cast as a Cuban or Mexican, I consider those arguments equally ignorant and counter productive.
Just like the argument that you shouldn't have minorities in villain roles.
If the real issue is equality/equal opportunities for all actors then all roles should be taken into account, not just hero roles.
That was my main gripe with the IM3 Mandarin twist. Not so much the Trevor/Killian switch, but that Killian was a white guy because the director thought showing an asian Mandarin would be racist...

 

[NewYorkSpider]

After watching Jessica Jones, here's my updated MCU Timeline. You'll see there's a few things missing(The Incredible Hulk mid credits scene). I'm starting to think that Daredevil takes place in late 2014/early 2015, while Jessica Jones takes place in early 2015 and ends just about before the start of AoS season 2.

Spoiler

Captain America: The First Avenger
Agent Carter TV Series(Season 1)
“Now Is Not The End”
“Bridge and Tunnel”
“Time and Tide”
“The Biltzkrieg Button”
“The Iron Ceiling”
“A Sin To Err”
“Snafu”
“Valediction”
Marvel One Shot: Agent Carter
Iron Man
Iron Man: Mid Credits Scene
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Marvel One Shot: A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To Thor's Hammer
Thor
Thor: End Credits Scene
Marvel One Shot: The Consultant
Captain America The First Avenger: Mid Credits Scene
The Avengers
Avengers: Mid Credits Scene
Marvel One Shot: Item 47
Iron Man 3
Marvel One Shot: All Hail The King
Agents Of Shield (Season 1)
“Pilot”
“0-8-4”
“The Asset”
“Eye-Spy”
“Girl In The Flower Dress”
“FZZT”
“The Hub”
Thor The Dark World
Thor: The Dark World Mid Credits Scene
“The Well “
“Repairs”
“The Bridge”
“The Magical Place”
“Seeds”
“T.R.A.C.K.S”
“T.A.H.I.T.I”
“Yes Men”
“End Of The Beginning”
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain America: The Winter Soldier Mid Credits Scene
Captain America: The Winter Soldier End Credits Scene
“Turn, Turn, Turn”
“Providence
“The Only Light In The Darkness”
“Nothing Personal”
“RagTag”
“Beginning Of The End”
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Agents Of Shield(Season 2)
“Shadows”
“Heavy Is The Head”
“Making Friends And Influencing People”
“Face My Enemy”
“A Hen In The Wolf House”
“A Fractured House”
“The Writing On The Wall”
“The Things We Bury”
“Ye Who Enter Here”
“What They Become”
Marvel's DareDevil (Season 1)
“Into The Ring”
“Cut Man”
“Rabbit In A Snowstorm”
“In The Blood”
“World On Fire”
“Condemned”
“Stick:
“Shadows In The Glass”
“Speak Of The Devil”
“Nelson vs Murdock”
“The Path Of The Righteous”
“The Ones We Leave Behind”
“Daredevil”
Jessica Jones(Season 1)
“AKA Ladies Night”
“AKA Crush Syndrome”
“AKA It's Called Whiskey”
“AKA 99 Friends”
“AKA The Sandwitch Saved Me”
“AKA You're A Winner!”
“AKA Top Shelf Perverts”
“AKA WWJD”
“AKA Sin Bin”
“AKA 1,000 Cuts”
“AKA I've Got The Blues”
“AKA Take A Bloody Number”
“AKA Smile”
Agents Of Shield(Season 2)
“Aftershocks”
“Who You Really Are”
“One Of Us”
“Love In The Time Of Hydra”
“One Door Closes”
“Afterlife”
“Melinda”
“The Frenemy Of My Enemy”
“The Dirty Half Dozen”
Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Avengers: Age Of Ultron Mid Credits Scene
“Scars”
“S.O.S. Part 1”
“S.O.S. Part 2”
WhiH Newsfront
Ant Man
Ant-Man: Mid Credits Scene
Agents Of Shield (Season 3)
“Laws Of Nature”
“Purpose In The Machine”
“A Wanted (Inhu)Man
“Devil's You Know”
“4,722 Hours”
“Among Us Hide”
“Chaos Theory”
“Many Heads, One Tail”

And I apologize if it's hard to read. I actually have it color coated on Microsoft Word it distinguish the TV Shows from each other.

 

[sabetoonth]

I had a thought tonight thinking about the Infinity Stones, mostly the two remaining. What if they used the Necronomicon in Dr Strange? Its an MU artifact, and it could have the Soul Stone set into its binding, giving it power.

 

[Mike Murdock]

After watching Jessica Jones, here's my updated MCU Timeline. You'll see there's a few things missing(The Incredible Hulk mid credits scene). I'm starting to think that Daredevil takes place in late 2014/early 2015, while Jessica Jones takes place in early 2015 and ends just about before the start of AoS season 2.

Any particular reason for that?

I suppose the obvious followup question is over how many months did the show take place (same question for Daredevil)?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

have we any idea about the Phase 2 subtitle yet?

 

[sabetoonth]

Any particular reason for that?

I suppose the obvious followup question is over how many months did the show take place (same question for Daredevil)?

Having just started rewatching it, you have people in t shirts in the first episode and overtime everyone starts dressing warmer.

 

[Web-Head]

Having just started rewatching it, you have people in t shirts in the first episode and overtime everyone starts dressing warmer.

You also have snow in one episode.

 

[sabetoonth]

Which lends to the idea that the show takes up the late 2014/early 2015 time span. They also claim its only been 2 years since Avengers/The Incident.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Wasn't it shown on the hospital computer that Reva, who died "a year ago" died in January 2014 or something?

 

[sabetoonth]

I believe it did.

Alsol btw, Sorry I wasnt specific, I was first answering the question for DD

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Any particular reason for that?

I suppose the obvious followup question is over how many months did the show take place (same question for Daredevil)?

Basically the reasons stated above was my reasoning. There's no mention of Sokovia. Plus, AoS seems to be running parallel to real time as there's several episodes that mention the movie's events(IM3, Winter Soldier, Dark World, Age Of Altron and Ant-Man. So that's why I have it around that time.

 

[Mike Murdock]

To me, lack of mention isn't really all that specific. If someone said two years since the incident, that's much clearer (the question is if they said it early on or later).

 

[meanmc]

Has anybody a information, if the interview with RDJ as he confirms "Iron Man 4" was today??

http://www.parentherald.com/article...ast-plot-robert-downey-jr-confirms-fourth.htm

 

[Silvermoon]

Has anybody a information, if the interview with RDJ as he confirms "Iron Man 4" was today??

http://www.parentherald.com/article...ast-plot-robert-downey-jr-confirms-fourth.htm

That Ellen interview is from last year (beginning of October 2014) - and the negotiations he's talking about were likely for his appearance in Civil War

 

[NewYorkSpider]

To me, lack of mention isn't really all that specific. If someone said two years since the incident, that's much clearer (the question is if they said it early on or later).

Anybody could put it where they want on the timeline. The one I posted above is just comfortable with me and the way I like it.