MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 4

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The prospect of a Marvel Studios' Doctor Doom doesn't excite me in the least... he'd probably be (at best) as divisive as Ultron was. What they would likely do with the four main heroes, on the other hand... now that's something I'd absolutely want to see.

MCU's Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm. :hmr: Why isn't this a thing yet. Fox, darn you, let those rights go.

I still have faith that Marvel can learn from their mistakes. I can't imagine they look at Ultron and say: "Yeah! We nailed that one. Let's do more like that." and Thanos seems promising so far.
 
Doom can't be any worse than what we had with Julian McMahon and Toby Kebbell.

All they need to do is make him like comics Doom instead of having him go without his mask the whole time, and make him regal and monarchical. Roger Corman's Doom is probably the closest we've had to a faithful Doom so far.

Incidentally, one of Corman's other movies is Attack of the 50ft Cheerleader, which is a remake of Attack of the 60ft Centerfold, which is, of course, a spoof of Attack of the 50 ft Woman.
 
Doom can't be any worse than what we had with Julian McMahon and Toby Kebbell.

All they need to do is make him like comics Doom instead of having him go without his mask the whole time, and make him regal and monarchical. Roger Corman's Doom is probably the closest we've had to a faithful Doom so far.

Incidentally, one of Corman's other movies is Attack of the 50ft Cheerleader, which is a remake of Attack of the 60ft Centerfold, which is, of course, a spoof of Attack of the 50 ft Woman.

I think it will take some effort because a truly comic-accurate Doom - with overly theatrical monologuing - could cross the line into campy if not done right.

But I think the right director could pull it off, and I would err on the side of more menacing with less dialogue.

If you imagine (and it would be cool if someone with video editing skills could do this) that the Doom at the end of FF1 never spoke or spoke much more sparingly, that would have worked a lot better.

And I have to look up Attack of the 50 Foot Cheerleader. :funny:
 
It's actually free on YouTube. The whole movie. I flicked through it quickly. There's actually probably more nudity in the final showdown than the 60ft centerfold version (which is also on YouTube but doesn't seem to have sound).

Corman seems to specialise in these campy low budget movies.
 
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Spider-Man and Iron Man are great but I do think Marvel should be careful how they use them.

You can risk overexposure and audience backlash if you just shove the characters in too many movies without a valid reason for them being there.

Yeah the X-Men can stay at Fox as I am happy with what they are doing there. But the FF need to go back to Marvel for me. More importantly for me also we need Silver Surfer and Galactus in the MCU. Annihilus as well so we can have Annihilation.

Kang The Conqueror as well.

I'm ok with the X-Men staying at Fox because that is a big enough franchise in it self to support a cinematic universe. Fox has been making X-Men movies for 16 years and have still only just scratched the surface.
 
I'm hoping that Black Panther, Doc Strange and Cap Marvel become the next big three of MCU after Steve, Tony and Thor.
 
The prospect of a Marvel Studios' Doctor Doom doesn't excite me in the least... he'd probably be (at best) as divisive as Ultron was. What they would likely do with the four main heroes, on the other hand... now that's something I'd absolutely want to see.

MCU's Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm. :hmr: Why isn't this a thing yet. Fox, darn you, let those rights go.

For me it's the other way around. Marvel has more than enough top heroes to fill out their movies, but villains like Doctor Doom, Galactus, and even Kang, aren't as readily available.

I also think it's easier to reboot Dr Doom this soon than the FF themselves, since he's been further away from his real self than the team has. Not that I doubt that Marvel could reboot anything Fox has done and make it work.
 
Marvel wouldn't turn Doom into a joke like what happened to one of the best comic book Avengers villains in Ultron because that was ALL Whedon. He's the only one who turned Marvel villains into jokey quipsters. Every other MCU villain was menacing and threatening.
 
Marvel wouldn't turn Doom into a joke like what happened to one of the best comic book Avengers villains in Ultron because that was ALL Whedon. He's the only one who turned Marvel villains into jokey quipsters. Every other MCU villain was menacing and threatening.

Villains? Like plural? As far as big time villains, he's only done Loki and Ultron, and Loki was pretty consistent from his appearance in Thor. So even then, Whedon would only have dumbed down or made a quipster out of one.

Though EVERY other MCU villain being menacing? Vanko and Yellow Jacket say otherwise.
 
Villains? Like plural? As far as big time villains, he's only done Loki and Ultron, and Loki was pretty consistent from his appearance in Thor. So even then, Whedon would only have dumbed down or made a quipster out of one.

Though EVERY other MCU villain being menacing? Vanko and Yellow Jacket say otherwise.
But Yellowjacket and Whiplash weren't punch-lines. They were actual threats to the hero, and imo, menacing.

Loki's personality was consistent, but this is essentially how he got defeated in the movie:


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[which I'll excuse because it was funny]


But then he did it again in AOU:


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:facepalm: Ultron was a complete and utter joke in this movie.


You didn't see anything like those examples happen to ANY other villain the MCU.
 
He wasn't a joke, but he was defeated. And it was humorous. Yeah perhaps repetitive, at worst self-derivative, but intentional. I don't think the character was a joke though. The Avengers were ripped apart earlier in the movie but they come back together to wreck him. When the Avengers are together they can't be beat.

Whedon's Avengers anyway, which brings us to the Russo's Civil War and Infinity War.
 
I fear what Whedon would have done to Thanos. Whedon is good, but he has to be kept on a tight leash.
 
Yeah the X-Men can stay at Fox as I am happy with what they are doing there. But the FF need to go back to Marvel for me. More importantly for me also we need Silver Surfer and Galactus in the MCU. Annihilus as well so we can have Annihilation.

I agree. The X-Men and Deadpool can stay with Fox, but please please please let the Fantastic 4 in the MCU.


The prospect of a Marvel Studios' Doctor Doom doesn't excite me in the least... he'd probably be (at best) as divisive as Ultron was. What they would likely do with the four main heroes, on the other hand... now that's something I'd absolutely want to see.

MCU's Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm. :hmr: Why isn't this a thing yet. Fox, darn you, let those rights go.

Ben Grimm is one of my favorite comic book characters, I'd absolutely love to see him in the MCU.

I decided yesterday that I'd like to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt play Reed and Alice Eve as Sue :hmr:
 
I think the Winter Soldier is rather unmemorable and generic. Certainly nowhere near as memorable as the First Avenger or Ant-Man.

It's very unmelodic and largely consists of noise, basically the Zimmer style of composing as of lately, which is ironic when you consider that so many people in here seem to be in favor of melodies, and yet so many people on here seem to really like that score as well, opinions and all.
 
I personally find a lot of the actual scores (not necessarily the main themes) unmemorable. If you think back on scores for films that were written some 40-50 years ago, there were a lot more distinctive tunes for each character or scene. Now it's more like incidental background music, almost trying not to interfere with the film itself but to blend in without being noticed. But the scores in previous eras did stand out much more.

For example, the early James Bond scores in the 1960s by John Barry were much more distinctive. If you take something like FRWL, Goldfinger or Thunderball, each part of the score is very memorable. For FRWL, you have the gypsy fight scene, Bond takes the Lektor (which became the "007" theme), etc.

With other composers like Max Steiner (King Kong, Gone with the Wind), Maurice Jarre (Lawrence of Arabia), Jerome Moross (The Big Country, The Valley of Gwangi), Ennio Morricone (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly), John Williams (Star Wars, Superman, ET etc) to name but a few, they all write distinctive melodies throughout the score for different scenes, each of which are memorable in their own right. They don't seem to mind that their tunes stand out, almost to the point of potentially overwhelming the scene.

In fact, Steven Spielberg changed the whole flying bicycle sequence in ET to fit John Williams's score, and now you always remember the scene in conjunction with the music.

I find it hard to remember most of the scenes and associate it with any particular music for the Marvel movies. It's almost reminiscent of how the later Star Trek series had more incidental background scores that didn't stand out as much as the scores for the original Star Trek series. It was as if the original Trek scores were seen as old fashioned and overly dramatic. But I remember these far more than anything in TNG, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. And that's how it feels with the Marvel movies, as if they don't want their scores to seem old-fashioned and potentially "cheesy", but more modern, which then translates to more generic and background incidental and unmemorable.

TFA's score was traditionally orchestrated, complete with a patriotic theme for Cap (if you think it's cheesy or not, is aside the point) that's used in variation throughout the score. Thor (which has a bit of Zimmerish sound, largely because the studio-heads wanted it, and Doyle agreed to compromise) and The Incredible Hulk also have dramatic moments that are rather "traditional" as well.
 
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Speaking about entire scores I think it's rare to have them be very memorable. I think the last time someone succeeded for me was Howard Shore with the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

For me, the last really memorable score was The Good Dinosaur (2015). In terms of live-action, I also loved Giacchino's John Carter, which was fantastic and traditionally orchestrated, complete with a love theme, which is a type of music that seems rare nowadays.
 
End title sequences of the MCU


Current MCU Phase Three Schedule
Captain America: Civil War - May 6, 2016
Doctor Strange - November 06, 2016

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - May 5, 2017
Spider-Man: Homecoming - July 7, 2017
Thor: Ragnarok - November 3, 2017

Black Panther - February 16, 2018
Avengers: Infinity War - May 04, 2018
Ant-Man & The Wasp - July 06, 2018

Captain Marvel - March 08, 2019
Untitled Avengers sequel - May 03, 2019
 
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Going to update my Monica Rambeau fan cast very soon.
 
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