The Amazing Spider-Man Molina Says He's Interested Returning As Ock

[Venom'sDad]

I don't think his arms weigh that much... come on. There have been times where he stood straight up with minimum strain or problem... with all four arms in the air. Look at when de did the demostration, or in the train, before he stop the cab after leaving the hospital, in there where other occasions.

 

[SpeterMan3]

That's what I've been saying

Hey, when did you join?

 

[SpeterMan3]

I don't think his arms weigh that much... come on. There have been times where he stood straight up with minimum strain or problem... with all four arms in the air. Look at when de did the demostration, or in the train, before he stop the cab after leaving the hospital, in there where other occasions.

Good point.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Bring him back then find out that it was not really him,it was the Chameleon.It doesn't ruin Doc Ock's character and we would get to see him and spidey fight again.The Chameleon could really do so much for future spidey movies.

 

[SpeterMan3]

That could be interesting, and probably safer.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Bring him back then find out that it was not really him,it was the Chameleon.It doesn't ruin Doc Ock's character and we would get to see him and spidey fight again.The Chameleon could really do so much for future spidey movies.

I agree. I want to see a movie where a villian messes with his head through the movie. Chameleon or Mysterio would work great here.

 

[SpeterMan3]

I agree. I want to see a movie where a villian messes with his head through the movie. Chameleon or Mysterio would work great here.

Agreed

 

[LadyJohnson]

Hey, when did you join?

I've been lurking..

 

[SpeterMan3]

Well, when did you start posting? Ha, I was lurking for over 2 years before officially I joined.

 

[LadyJohnson]

HIPYA Alfred! :}
Except I don't know how you could not drown being pulled down into the water with 100 or so pounds on your back....

I joined when I posted this one page back...
and I state the arms weight thing

 

[SpeterMan3]

So you joined a day ago and already have 80 posts? Holy crap...

 

[FaT_tONle]

So you joined a day ago and already have 80 posts? Holy crap...

Sometimes the Hype gets the better of us.

 

[SpeterMan3]

Sometimes the Hype gets the better of us.

I see.

 

[chaseter]

No to the idea that the Chameleon was Doc Ock back in Spider-Man 2. That not only would retcon SM2, it would also be cheesy as ****. I don't want to see a Chameleon that can take on crazy characteristics like Doc Ock's tentacles...that is too far fetched. If Chameleon is going to be in these movies, I want him to be more like the guy in Smokin' Aces, a man in prison that escaped and kills people and takes over their identities because he is a master at prosthetics and voice masking.

Back to Doc Ock. If he comes back, I think Spider-Fan's idea would be cool but they are going to have to explain how he came back and I think just a simple; "I accepted death, the death of a hero and the tentacles shut down with me. However, they had a stronger will to live than I did." He could have been drowning and the tentacles light back up and grab on to part of the dock beams and pull himself back up. The tentacles give Doc pseudo CPR and he spits out water and voila. But, his near death experience with the tentacles' persuasion caused him to go back to the dark side.

As much as I am against bringing back Doc Ock, I wouldn't be angry to see him again.

 

[LadyJohnson]

^ x2 I'm against it as well, better to let him rest in peace

 

[Secret_Riddle]

I'm think him washing up on shore is a great idea! I would defenitely be all for that.

Either that or maybe we see a tentacle pop out of the water and latch onto the dock, as well as another and then another, and to pull up Doc Ock out of the water.

Didn't Doc Ock redeem himself at the end of Spider-Man 2? Remember, he is not a villain..he's more of a tragic hero..someone who is ultimately good being controlled by his own flawed creation.

Wouldn't the kind of return your talking about completely ruin the thematic quality of his triumph over his own inadvertent evil? To me bringing Doc Ock back after SM2's ending by way of showing his survival would seem only like a cheap trick along the lines of Harry's amnesia from Spider-Man 3.

A better way might be to show other things Doc Ock did in Spider-Man 2 off screen. Perhaps along the lines of collaborating and forming a plan with Spider-Man 4's villain before the events of SM2 ended, and before SM4 began. Still however, this to me seems a little bit along the lines of the "Sandman killed Ben" plot line of SM3, which wasn't received well at all. It's probably better to leave Doc Ock out of future installments.

I don't mean to sorta judge your idea to harshly SMH12. I think it would work rather well with Doc Ock as he was portrayed in the comics (as a mad evil scientist), with the comic book logic surrounding character deaths (people don't die, they just go away for a bit).

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much.

 

[The Joker]

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much.

Nothing wrong with that. It's a top class comic book movie.

 

[chaseter]

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.

That is exactly what I think and how I feel.

But, if they do bring him back...I won't ***** and whine because it is ****ing Doc Ock! But, I would rather they move on.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Didn't Doc Ock redeem himself at the end of Spider-Man 2? Remember, he is not a villain..he's more of a tragic hero..someone who is ultimately good being controlled by his own flawed creation.

Wouldn't the kind of return your talking about completely ruin the thematic quality of his triumph over his own inadvertent evil? To me bringing Doc Ock back after SM2's ending by way of showing his survival would seem only like a cheap trick along the lines of Harry's amnesia from Spider-Man 3.

A better way might be to show other things Doc Ock did in Spider-Man 2 off screen. Perhaps along the lines of collaborating and forming a plan with Spider-Man 4's villain before the events of SM2 ended, and before SM4 began. Still however, this to me seems a little bit along the lines of the "Sandman killed Ben" plot line of SM3, which wasn't received well at all. It's probably better to leave Doc Ock out of future installments.

I don't mean to sorta judge your idea to harshly SMH12. I think it would work rather well with Doc Ock as he was portrayed in the comics (as a mad evil scientist), with the comic book logic surrounding character deaths (people don't die, they just go away for a bit).

I just feel that in the Spider-Man movies, the thematic undertones of these characters are more important then bringing them back, when more unique plot lines that take advantage of new and great characters are possible.

Maybe I just love Spider-Man 2 a bit to much.

IMO, You make a great point, and honestly, I LOVE Spider-Man 2 as well. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

 

[Agent Z]

From Raiders of the Lost Ark to Spider-Man, Molina just can't get away from the spiders.

I say just move on. There are way too many storylines and villains to explore before we start dipping back into that well already.

 

[Spiderine]

From Raiders of the Lost Ark to Spider-Man, Molina just can't get away from the spiders.

I say just move on. There are way too many storylines and villains to explore before we start dipping back into that well already.

Agreed. His story ended with his redemption. Time to venture into other territory.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's a much better way to bring Ock back in .

Me too. If that could be kept secret, that would blow audience's minds, and it would be easier to bring him back that way and not go against SM2. Cause over the time he was gone and became the Master Planner, who knows what changed him this time? Doesn't need explanation, and would be theatrically awesome

 

[NewYorkSpider]

Me too. If that could be kept secret, that would blow audience's minds, and it would be easier to bring him back that way and not go against SM2. Cause over the time he was gone and became the Master Planner, who knows what changed him this time? Doesn't need explanation, and would be theatrically awesome

Didn't they keep Dafoe's cameo in SM2 a secret?

 

[Spider-Fan]

No to the idea that the Chameleon was Doc Ock back in Spider-Man 2. That not only would retcon SM2, it would also be cheesy as ****. I don't want to see a Chameleon that can take on crazy characteristics like Doc Ock's tentacles...that is too far fetched. If Chameleon is going to be in these movies, I want him to be more like the guy in Smokin' Aces, a man in prison that escaped and kills people and takes over their identities because he is a master at prosthetics and voice masking.

Back to Doc Ock. If he comes back, I think Spider-Fan's idea would be cool but they are going to have to explain how he came back and I think just a simple; "I accepted death, the death of a hero and the tentacles shut down with me. However, they had a stronger will to live than I did." He could have been drowning and the tentacles light back up and grab on to part of the dock beams and pull himself back up. The tentacles give Doc pseudo CPR and he spits out water and voila. But, his near death experience with the tentacles' persuasion caused him to go back to the dark side.

As much as I am against bringing back Doc Ock, I wouldn't be angry to see him again.

Yeah, I'm not big on the Chameleon in SM2 idea either. Nor bringing him back as an illusion. We can do better.

I agree how he is alive would have to be explained, but the explanation can be something simple like you already outlined. The arms are smart, so they could easily have reactivated.

This is just if you bring him back though. I don't think we need to bring him back, but if they were going to, I feel this is the best way to do it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Didn't they keep Dafoe's cameo in SM2 a secret?

I don't remember. They may have. My 2003-2004 memory leading up to SM2 is a bit vague now